Rank these ATP and WTA (from 2007 onwards) players and say why

[Dutch-Guy]

Rank ATP and WTA players in one list

Mine:

1.Roger Federer
2.Serena Williams
3.Rafael Nadal
4.Justine Henin
5.Venus Williams
6.Lleyton Hewitt
7.Lindsey Davenport
8.Kim Clijsters
9.Marat Safin
10.Maria Sharapova and Andy Roddick


Honourable mention:

11.Svetlana Kuznetsova
12.Novak Djokovic
13.Elena Dementieva
14.Juan Martin Del Potro
15.Ana Ivanovic
16.Dinara Safina

 

[rnrockz1]

1. Rafael Nadal
2. Roger Federer
3. Ernests Gulbis
4. Justine Henin
5. Robin Soderling
6. Kim Clijsters
7.Jelena Jankovic
8. Elena Dementieva
9. JW Tsonga
10. Nikolay Davydenko

Can't think of saying why though ...

 

[Dutch-Guy]

1.Federer: greatest of his era(no need to say more)
2.Serena:greatest of her era,though inconsistent,sees tennis as a part timejob,could have done better.
3.Nadal:7 GS,going 5 times through Fed(who he owns) to win them.
4.Henin:7 GS,most dominant WTA players 03-07,retired due to private issues.
5.Venus: Not as great as her lil sis,sucks on other surfaces except grass that she owns,chasing after Navratilova's record on it.

Part II to come soon. (gotta eat now)

 

[The Baseline]

1. fedderer--
2. serena
3. nadal
4. venus
5. roddick

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

1. Fed - obvious, at least to rational people.
2. Nadal - ahead of Serena thanks to more consistency
3. Serena
4. Venus - rate her over Henin simply because she didn't retire
5. Henin
6. Djokovic
7. Murray - pretty damn consistent from 08 Wimbledon on, 2 slam finals.
8. Sharapova
9. Roddick - 07-08 was a pretty down period for Roddick, don't forget
10. Davydenko

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

I thought we were ranking them simply on their accomplishments from 2007 onwards? That would be more interesting IMO.

 

[dmt]

1- Fed
2- Serena
3. Rafa
4- Henin
5- Venus
6- Djoker
7- Sharapova
8- Roddick
9- Murray
10- Davy

 

[AndyArodRoddick]

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Serena
4. Venus
5. Henin
6 Djokovic
7. Roddick
8. Sharapova
9. Murray
10. Söderling

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

Rank ATP and WTA players in one list

Mine:

1.Roger Federer
2.Serena Williams
3.Rafael Nadal
4.Justine Henin
5.Venus Williams
6.Lleyton Hewitt
7.Lindsey Davenport
8.Kim Clijsters
9.Marat Safin
10.Maria Sharapova and Andy Roddick

My list is slightly different...

1. Federer
2. S. Williams
3. Nadal
4. V. Williams
5. Henin
6. Clijsters
7. Murray
8. Djokovic
9. Sharapova
10. Roddick

 

[powerangle]

I thought we were ranking them simply on their accomplishments from 2007 onwards? That would be more interesting IMO.

Me too. In which case Nadal would be over Serena since they both won 5 slams from 2007 onwards, and Nadal has won several other titles (plus consistency).

 

[davey25]

1. Nadal- better than Federer in 2008, better than Federer in 2010, and was better than Federer in 2009 while healthy. If Federer manages to turn this year around I will switch him and Nadal but I doubt that happening.

2. Serena- best women player in the World since 2008.

3. Federer- best mens player in the World in 2007 and in 2009 after Nadal's injury. 2nd best mens player in 2008 and 2010 so far.

4. Henin- best womens player in the World by far in 2007, but didnt follow it up with much.

5. Venus- best overall grass court player since 2007.

6. Clijsters- Has managed the same # of slams as anyone not yet listed since start of 2007 despite only playing roughly a years worth of tennis.

7. Djokovic- consistent performer since 2007, but has managed only 1 slam title.

8. Sharapova- For 2007 and 2008 Australian Open and 2007 WTA Championships.

9. Murray- consistent performer since mid 2008 but still slamless.

10. Del Potro- just for winning the U.S Open last year.


Honorable mention:

11. Roddick- remains a consistent perform, and remains looking for the elusive 2nd slam.

12. Kuznetsova- for winning a slam and making another final.

13. Ivanovic- for winning a slam and reaching 3 finals, also briefly ascending to #1.

14. Schiavone- for winning a slam.

15. Dementieva- consistent performer who remains slamless.

16. Jankovic- same as Dementieva.

17. Davydenko- continues to excel in Masters and now the Masters Cup.

18. Stosur- for French Open performance this year.

19. Soderling- for French Opens this year and last.

20. Safina- to throw her a bone, she is probably hungry anyway.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

1. Fed - obvious, at least to rational people.

1. Nadal- better than Federer in 2008, better than Federer in 2010, and was better than Federer in 2009 while healthy. If Federer manages to turn this year around I will switch him and Nadal but I doubt that happening.

2. Serena- best women player in the World since 2008.

3. Federer- best mens player in the World in 2007 and in 2009 after Nadal's injury. 2nd best mens player in 2008 and 2010 so far.

And my prediction comes to fruition.

7 slams to 5, and 4 of the 'important slams' in your view to only 1. But yeah, Nadal is better than Fed since 07. And don't get me started on you putting Serena over Fed...:roll:

 

[davey25]

And my prediction comes to fruition.

7 slams to 5, and 4 of the 'important slams' in your view to only 1. But yeah, Nadal is better than Fed since 07. And don't get me started on you putting Serena over Fed...:roll:

We will have a better idea when this year is over but I expect Nadal to end a longer period of 2007-2010 considered the best player in the World than Federer, or atleast best without any questions (eg- if Nadal were around).

And Serena has been the clear best womens player uninterrupted since the start of 2008. Longer than Federer has been for the men since 2007. The only women better than Serena since 2007 was Henin in 2007.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

We will have a better idea when this year is over but I expect Nadal to end a longer period of 2007-2010 considered the best player in the World than Federer, or atleast best without any questions (eg- if Nadal were around).

And Serena has been the clear best womens player uninterrupted since the start of 2008. Longer than Federer has been for the men since 2007. The only women better than Serena since 2007 was Henin in 2007.

We're doing it based on right now, not based on what you predict, and as of now Fed is still ahead of Nadal from 07 on.

Serena? Oh please. Just objectively compare the slam results (which is what Serena bases her whole career around) and she's miles behind Federer since 07. Not to mention actual weeks at #1, results in other tournaments, consistency. But of course it's hard for you to be objective when it comes to Serena, we all understand that by now.

BTW Sharapova was the best and #1 in 08 until her injury. Serena should be penalized for that in the same way you penalize Fed (irrationaly) due to Nadal's injury. If you're going to cut it one way, you have to cut it the other as well.

 

[powerangle]

We will have a better idea when this year is over but I expect Nadal to end a longer period of 2007-2010 considered the best player in the World than Federer, or atleast best without any questions (eg- if Nadal were around).

And Serena has been the clear best womens player uninterrupted since the start of 2008. Longer than Federer has been for the men since 2007. The only women better than Serena since 2007 was Henin in 2007.

Yet...we can't start awarding phantom slams to Nadal in 2009 because of his injury, right? Just like we can't award Seles slams because of the stabbing?

Also, Fed won all the slams (AO, FO, Wim, USO) within this time period. Something you also continually put that Serena has over Seles.

Then there's Fed's 7 slams > Nadal's 5 slams.

At least show some consistency in your arguments...

 

[jukka1970]

LMAO, oh this is ridiculous even for you, I'm sorry but did you honestly put Federer after Serena. I mean I can almost forgive you for putting Nadal over Federer, which is BS by the way, but you've lost any credibility on this board putting Serena over Federer.

1. Nadal- better than Federer in 2008, better than Federer in 2010, and was better than Federer in 2009 while healthy. If Federer manages to turn this year around I will switch him and Nadal but I doubt that happening.

2. Serena- best women player in the World since 2008.

3. Federer- best mens player in the World in 2007 and in 2009 after Nadal's injury. 2nd best mens player in 2008 and 2010 so far.

4. Henin- best womens player in the World by far in 2007, but didnt follow it up with much.

5. Venus- best overall grass court player since 2007.

6. Clijsters- Has managed the same # of slams as anyone not yet listed since start of 2007 despite only playing roughly a years worth of tennis.

7. Djokovic- consistent performer since 2007, but has managed only 1 slam title.

8. Sharapova- For 2007 and 2008 Australian Open and 2007 WTA Championships.

9. Murray- consistent performer since mid 2008 but still slamless.

10. Del Potro- just for winning the U.S Open last year.


Honorable mention:

11. Roddick- remains a consistent perform, and remains looking for the elusive 2nd slam.

12. Kuznetsova- for winning a slam and making another final.

13. Ivanovic- for winning a slam and reaching 3 finals, also briefly ascending to #1.

14. Schiavone- for winning a slam.

15. Dementieva- consistent performer who remains slamless.

16. Jankovic- same as Dementieva.

17. Davydenko- continues to excel in Masters and now the Masters Cup.

18. Stosur- for French Open performance this year.

19. Soderling- for French Opens this year and last.

20. Safina- to throw her a bone, she is probably hungry anyway.

 

[jukka1970]

Yet...we can't start awarding phantom slams to Nadal in 2009 because of his injury, right? Just like we can't award Seles slams because of the stabbing?

Also, Fed won all the slams (AO, FO, Wim, USO) within this time period. Something you also continually put that Serena has over Seles.

Then there's Fed's 7 slams > Nadal's 5 slams.

At least show some consistency in your arguments...

Don't even bother trying to explain it to that idiot Davey. There are times when you just have to ignore the absurdity.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

LMAO, oh this is ridiculous even for you, I'm sorry but did you honestly put Federer after Serena. I mean I can almost forgive you for putting Nadal over Federer, which is BS by the way, but you've lost any credibility on this board putting Serena over Federer.

davey already admits part of the reason he/she does things like this is as a backlash at all the so called 'Serena haters'. So yes, she is trolling. Or at least I hope she is to be that illogical.

 

[TheTruth]

It's funny, but what are we ranking? Form or results? If form, my 1 would be one player. If it's results my answer would be different. The two categories are vastly different so I don't see the irrationality.

1. Fed-Results wise, although I think his form wasn't that great.
2. Nadal-Form-before injury he was a speeding train.
3. Serena-picks it up at will.

No one else has been consistent or on form long enough.

4. Roddick would be next as far as consistency even though he hasn't won much.
5. Henin was gone during a large portion of the timeframe.
6. Clijsters-See Henin
7. Del Potro-great form, but then gone.
8. Davy-great form, but nothing big.
9. Soderling-didn't materialize until 2009.
10. Venus-hasn't done much except Wimbledon
11. Djokovic-2007, nothing since.
12. Murray, simply a spoiler at this point.

Only the top three have been making significant inroads, imo.

 

[djokovicgonzalez2010]

Mens
1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Djokovic
4 Davydenko
5 Murray/delPo (tied)

Womens

1 Serena
2 Henin
3 Venus
4 Clijsters
5 Sharapova

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

It's funny, but what are we ranking? Form or results? If form, my 1 would be one player. If it's results my answer would be different. The two categories are vastly different so I don't see the irrationality.

1. Fed-Results wise, although I think his form wasn't that great.
2. Nadal-Form-before injury he was a speeding train.
3. Serena-picks it up at will.

No one else has been consistent or on form long enough.

4. Roddick would be next as far as consistency even though he hasn't won much.
5. Henin was gone during a large portion of the timeframe.
6. Clijsters-See Henin
7. Del Potro-great form, but then gone.
8. Davy-great form, but nothing big.
9. Soderling-didn't materialize until 2009.
10. Venus-hasn't done much except Wimbledon
11. Djokovic-2007, nothing since.
12. Murray, simply a spoiler at this point.

Only the top three have been making significant inroads, imo.

Djokovic and Murray at 11 and 12 make no sense, especially with Roddick at #4. Wimbledon last year was his only slam final since 07. Murray and Djokovic have 2 slam finals each, with Djoker winning one, and both have a lot more MS titles than Roddick who has 1 in that time frame. I think even Roddick fans can see that his 07-08 form was nothing to write home about, and taking away Wimbledon 09 he's been far less consistent and less of a factor in big events than these two players since 07.

 

[boredone3456]

Firstly, in the OP, How is Lindsay number 7 for 2007 onwards? I love her but unless we are equating children with slam titles she doesn't belong on a top 10 list from then to now. Same with Hewitt, I like him 2 but one of the overall 10 best since 2007 over Novak or JMDP?

Who exactly are we ranking? Seems like the Lists all are a bit Different but:

1. Federer- For his consistency, I can see putting him Below Nadal but he is overall more consistent and has been better across the board everywhere.

2. Nadal

3. Serena- Sorry, but the mens tour is currently way deeper than the womens, and Nadal had tougher competition during this time, Serena is winning titles, but the competition is worse.

4. Henin- Dominant in 07, first Since Steffi to go unbeaten after Wimbledon. Finals of her first 2 tournaments back.

5. Venus- Accomplished more than Others, even if its only roughly 1 month out the yr on average on the big stages where she does well (not counting tiny Tier II and III level titles against low ranked competition, like Alcapulco). But she got back to #2, won a YEC, made the finals of another.

6. Andy Murray- May not have a slam but seems a little more consistant for a lot of the alloted time period, more than some of the 1 slam winners.

7. Maria Sharapova- Great performance in the 2007 YEC but came up against Henin, 2008 Australian is the most dominant slam win for a female of that time period for sure.

8. Novak Djokovic- He did win a slam and Beat Fed

9. JMDP- Same as above but not as solid throughout

10. Clijsters- Won a slam in her comeback, beating both Williams on Route, Maybe not as great as some others, but its still pretty good.

Honorable Mention
Roddick- Would be number 11

Dementieva- Gold Medal, been in top 10 almost that entire time, maybe all of it (can't remember for sure), consistent bridesmaid at the slams though

Soderling- Hit Nadal with his only Loss at RG, Beat Fed there the following year, not completely awful everywhere else

Schiavone- 1st italian to win a slam.

Ivanovic- Started 2008 really well...downhill though since

Kuzzy- for her claycourt results last year

 

[TheTruth]

Djokovic and Murray at 11 and 12 make no sense, especially with Roddick at #4. Wimbledon last year was his only slam final since 07. Murray and Djokovic have 2 slam finals each, with Djoker winning one, and both have a lot more MS titles than Roddick who has 1 in that time frame. I think even Roddick fans can see that his 07-08 form was nothing to write home about, and taking away Wimbledon 09 he's been far less consistent and less of a factor in big events than these two players since 07.

I guess my post was misleading. I'm only ranking the top three. The actual numbers 4-12 are in no particular order. During that period Djokovic won 1 major, Murray two finals and no cigar. Del Potro 1 major.

It's difficult to rank them in my opinion, that's why I only ranked the top three who have given us a more clear example of form and results.

 

[thalivest]

1. Nadal- No contest
2. Federer- 7 slams to tie Nadal but far behind in other stats
3. Serena-
4. Henin- dominant 2007 alone puts her here even if she has done hardly anything since then
5. Clijsters
6. Venus
7. Djokovic
8. Sharapova
9. Del Potro
10. Murray

 

[Trillus]

1. Nadal- far ahead of the others. No contest.

2. Serena Williams- best women player in the World everyone of the last 4 years- 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. That is why I rank her up with Nadal and Federer, despite overall weaker stats otherwise.

3. Federer- 7 slams like Nadal since 2007, but overall falls far short of Nadal since 2007. Ranks behind Serena due to Serena being the best player in the World for her gender everyone of the last 4 years.

4. Venus- 2nd best women player in World behind Serena in 2008 and 2009.

5. Henin- 2nd best women player in the World behind Serena in 2007.

6. Clijsters- 2nd best women player in the World behind Serena in 2010.

7. Djokovic

8. Murray- have to give him credit for his Masters wins but still slamless.

9. Del Potro- have to give him credit for his U.S Open title.

10. Sharapova- a few highlights including an Aussie Open title and good runs to another Aussie Open final and WTA Championship final but mostly dissapointing.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

I wish that davey/thalivest/grafselesfan would stop bumping all these old threads. It really is annoying.

 

[Trillus]

4. Henin- Dominant in 07, first Since Steffi to go unbeaten after Wimbledon. Finals of her first 2 tournaments back.

Henin did not dominate 2007. She was only the 2nd best women player in the World in 2007 behind Serena.

 

[abmk]

Henin did not dominate 2007. She was only the 2nd best women player in the World in 2007 behind Serena.

LOL ! wut ???

are you mad that all accounts of yours except this have been banned ? :lol:

 

[Trillus]

Henin was only better than Serena on clay in 2007. On grass the Williams still owned her, she beat Serena at Wimbledon only due to Serena' calf injury, Serena could only hack a 1 handed backhand and couldnt even move well and still only lost in 3. Henin then lost to Bartoli before even playing Venus. Serena won 2 of the 3 biggest hard court events of the year- Australia and Miami. The tennis she played in Australia was far better hard court tennis than Henin played at anytime that year or ever probably. And Miami she beat Henin the final. Henin deservedly won the U.S Open but Australia + Miami > U.S Open. The WTA Championships was basically a nothing event due to both Wililams not playing.

So for 2007:

Henin > Serena on clay (as usual anyway)
Serena > Henin on grass (considering Henin barely beat very injured Serena at Wimbledon then made a fool of herself by losing to Bartoli)
Serena > Henin on hard courts (explained that already)

Serena was still the best player in the World in 2007 with Henin as usual playing 2nd fiddle to someone else (Serena in 2003, Davenport in 2004, Mauresmo in 2006, and Serena again in 2007).

 

[abmk]

Henin was only better than Serena on clay in 2007. On grass the Williams still owned her, she beat Serena at Wimbledon only due to Serena' calf injury, Serena could only hack a 1 handed backhand and couldnt even move well and still only lost in 3. Henin then lost to Bartoli before even playing Venus. Serena won 2 of the 3 biggest hard court events of the year- Australia and Miami. The tennis she played in Australia was far better hard court tennis than Henin played at anytime that year or ever probably. And Miami she beat Henin the final. Henin deservedly won the U.S Open but Australia + Miami > U.S Open. The WTA Championships was basically a nothing event due to both Wililams not playing.

So for 2007:

Henin > Serena on clay (as usual anyway)
Serena > Henin on grass (considering Henin barely beat very injured Serena at Wimbledon then made a fool of herself by losing to Bartoli)
Serena > Henin on hard courts (explained that already)

Serena was still the best player in the World in 2007 with Henin as usual playing 2nd fiddle to someone else (Serena in 2003, Davenport in 2004, Mauresmo in 2006, and Serena again in 2007).

 

[phoenicks]

Rank ATP and WTA players in one list

Mine:

1.Roger Federer
2.Serena Williams
3.Rafael Nadal
4.Justine Henin
5.Venus Williams
6.Lleyton Hewitt
7.Lindsey Davenport
8.Kim Clijsters
9.Marat Safin
10.Maria Sharapova and Andy Roddick


Honourable mention:

11.Svetlana Kuznetsova
12.Novak Djokovic
13.Elena Dementieva
14.Juan Martin Del Potro
15.Ana Ivanovic
16.Dinara Safina

You're contradicting yourself here, Safin, Roddick and Hewitt haven't done **** after their Slam title in early 2000's and 2005.

 

[Trillus]

But yeah, Nadal is better than Fed since 07. And don't get me started on you putting Serena over Fed...:roll:

Nadal indeed is better than Federer since 2007:

Nadal-

7 slam titles
All 4 slam titles won
12 Masters titles
26 tournament titles
Olympic Singles Gold
3-0 record vs Federer in Slam finals


Federer-

7 slam titles
All 4 slam titles won
I TMC title
5 Masters titles
18 tournament titles
Olympic Doubles Gold
0-3 record vs Nadal in Slam finals


Federer's only edge is 1 more TMC title. They are tied in Slams and both have won all the slams since 2007, but Nadal trumps him bigtime in Masters, tournament wins and head to head. Since 2007 Nadal > Federer and any rational and objective mind would agree.

Serena deserves to be rated up with Nadal and Federer, perhaps splitting them for the simple reason that despite that her stats are weaker than their in other respects she was the best female player in the World every year since and including 2007, which is not true of either Nadal or Federer amongst their gender.

 

[phoenicks]

Nadal indeed is better than Federer since 2007:

Nadal-

7 slam titles
All 4 slam titles won
12 Masters titles
26 tournament titles
Olympic Singles Gold
3-0 record vs Federer in Slam finals


Federer-

7 slam titles
All 4 slam titles won
I TMC title
5 Masters titles
18 tournament titles
Olympic Doubles Gold
0-3 record vs Nadal in Slam finals


Federer's only edge is 1 more TMC title. They are tied in Slams and both have won all the slams since 2007, but Nadal trumps him bigtime in Masters, tournament wins and head to head. Since 2007 Nadal > Federer and any rational and objective mind would agree.

Serena deserves to be rated up with Nadal and Federer, perhaps splitting them for the simple reason that despite that her stats are weaker than their in other respects she was the best female player in the World every year since and including 2007, which is not true of either Nadal or Federer amongst their gender.

Touche, 10char

 

[boredone3456]

Henin did not dominate 2007. She was only the 2nd best women player in the World in 2007 behind Serena.

Ummm...FAIL.

Henin won 10 titles in 2007, including 2 slams and the Year end Championships, she also beat Serena in 3 straight slams on 3 different Surfaces and went undefeated after Wimbledon. Sorry, but 2007 was all Henin and if you can't realize that well...sorry.

 

[Destro]

How can anyone have Roddick above Murray? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[jamesblakefan#1]

Nadal indeed is better than Federer since 2007:

Nadal-

7 slam titles
All 4 slam titles won
12 Masters titles
26 tournament titles
Olympic Singles Gold
3-0 record vs Federer in Slam finals


Federer-

7 slam titles
All 4 slam titles won
I TMC title
5 Masters titles
18 tournament titles
Olympic Doubles Gold
0-3 record vs Nadal in Slam finals


Federer's only edge is 1 more TMC title. They are tied in Slams and both have won all the slams since 2007, but Nadal trumps him bigtime in Masters, tournament wins and head to head. Since 2007 Nadal > Federer and any rational and objective mind would agree.

Serena deserves to be rated up with Nadal and Federer, perhaps splitting them for the simple reason that despite that her stats are weaker than their in other respects she was the best female player in the World every year since and including 2007, which is not true of either Nadal or Federer amongst their gender.

 

[Trillus]

What I stated were facts. Nadal has the same # of slams as Federer since 2007, like Federer has won all the slams, and has many more Masters, tournaments, owns the head to head. Only a ******* would deny Nadal has been the better player overall since the start of 2007, taking into account all the time since then.

 

[powerangle]

From 2007 onwards for me is:

1) Rafael Nadal
2) Roger Federer
3) Serena Williams
4) Justine Henin
5) Venus Williams
6) Kim Clijsters
7) Novak Djokovic
8 )Andy Murray
9) Maria Sharapova
10) Juan Martin del Potro



based on accomplishments.

 

[ubermeyer]

Mens
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Del Potro
5. Roddick
6. Soderling

 

[powerangle]

Ummm...FAIL.

Henin won 10 titles in 2007, including 2 slams and the Year end Championships, she also beat Serena in 3 straight slams on 3 different Surfaces and went undefeated after Wimbledon. Sorry, but 2007 was all Henin and if you can't realize that well...sorry.

This.

Saying that Serena 2007 > Henin 2007 is great fail.

Sure, AO + Miami > USO...

BUT

AO + Miami < FO + USO

And then you add in the fact that Henin won many more titles, had a much higher win % and beat Serena in 3 consecutive slams, on 3 different surfaces.

 

[tacou]

Rank ATP and WTA players in one list

Mine:

1.Roger Federer
2.Serena Williams
3.Rafael Nadal
4.Justine Henin
5.Venus Williams
6.Lleyton Hewitt
7.Lindsey Davenport
8.Kim Clijsters
9.Marat Safin
10.Maria Sharapova and Andy Roddick


Honourable mention:

11.Svetlana Kuznetsova
12.Novak Djokovic
13.Elena Dementieva
14.Juan Martin Del Potro
15.Ana Ivanovic
16.Dinara Safina

you think Hewitt is the third best player on the ATP since 07?

 

[Destro]

Mens
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Del Potro
5. Roddick
6. Soderling

You'll have to explain this one to me. What have Roddick and Soderling achieved in the past 3 years that put him ahead of someone who has won 6 Masters, reached 2 slam finals and been consistently in the top 4 best players in the world rankings?

 

[Trillus]

This.

Saying that Serena 2007 > Henin 2007 is great fail.

Sure, AO + Miami > USO...

BUT

AO + Miami < FO + USO

And then you add in the fact that Henin won many more titles, had a much higher win % and beat Serena in 3 consecutive slams, on 3 different surfaces.

It depends how you look at it. I often prefer to compare players by surface and the one who has the edge on more surfaces has the overall edge. I do understand why some feel Henin was the best player of 2007 but I still give it to Serena since:

Clay- Henin was better clearly (like nearly every year)

Hard courts- As I said Miami + Australian Open > U.S Open

Grass- I give Serena the edge here since she was badly injured at Wimbledon, hacking a one handed backhand, almost immobile, and still barely lost to Henin in 3 sets.

So since Serena was better on 2 of the 3 majors surfaces I give her the slight edge over Henin as best player of 2007.

 

[boredone3456]

It depends how you look at it. I often prefer to compare players by surface and the one who has the edge on more surfaces has the overall edge. I do understand why some feel Henin was the best player of 2007 but I still give it to Serena since:

Clay- Henin was better clearly (like nearly every year)

Hard courts- As I said Miami + Australian Open > U.S Open

Grass- I give Serena the edge here since she was badly injured at Wimbledon, hacking a one handed backhand, almost immobile, and still barely lost to Henin in 3 sets.

So since Serena was better on 2 of the 3 majors surfaces I give her the slight edge over Henin as best player of 2007.

USO + Rogers Cup + Stuttgart + Qatar + Zurich + YEC >>> AO + Miami...Henin on Hard Courts.

even if you want to dispute the indoor stuff, Henin still has more titles on Hardcourts than Serena does. Henin played way better at the US Open then Serena did at the Australian, she had a much harder draw to her US Open, straight setted both Williams en route, and won the title without dropping a set (and served each of her first 4 opponents a bagel), whereas Serena at the Aussie almost lost to both Petrova and Peer (she was extremely impressive in the final, but Sharapova also played absolutely terribly). Serena beat Henin in Miami, which was a great win for her, but Henin clobbered Serena in the 2nd set of their US Open match 6-1 and won in straight sets, which since it eventually resulted in a slam win, I'd take that.

As for Grass, If you want to Argue Wimbledon fine, but Henin also won a title on Grass in Eastbourne beating the Reigning Wimbledon Champion in the final in a thriller, so I would still give her the edge on Grass. If you want to say based on Ability Serena is better, ok, but based on Actual results, its Henin, its not Henin's fault Serena only plays Wimbledon in the Grass Season.

Yes Serena spent a lot of time injured in 2007, but Henin was winning virtually everything she entered (except Miami and Wimby) and beat Serena in all 3 of their slam encounters. Now if Serena had won even one of those matches I could see the argument, but she lost all three of them and Henin went on to win 2 of those 3 slams (Wimbledon was just flat out embarassing).

As for the whole year

10 titles > 2 Titles
2 Slams > 1 slam
and undefeated post Wimby
3-0 in slams
3-1 head to head overall

How can you win 10 titles including 3 of the 5 arguable biggest events in the sport and not be the best in the world. You want to go based on on slams sometimes, but now that that argument doesn't benefit Serena....sorry but I just don't get it.

 

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1) Fed and Nadal - tie. I would give Fed the odd years and Nadal the even years. Both won 7 slams during this period of time.
2) Serena Williams
3) Justine Henin
4) Venus Williams
5) Kim Clijsters
6) Novak Djokovic
7) Juan Martin Del Potro
8) Andy Murray
9) Nikolay and Roddick - tie
10) Soderling

I know more women won slams like Savtlana, Ana and Schiovane but it felt more like a very weak field more than anything.