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Lol it’s between Federer and Nadal, Zverev will never even sniff #2 as long as these legends are playing.
Roger Federer's great (and perhaps last) chance to eclipse Pete Sampras by finishing YE#1
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
What would be shocking about Fed making the Wimbledon final? He's made 3 out of the last four and almost made it in 2016. Best active grass player and already won a slam this year.
Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
To have chance for the Number one position Zverev needs to do far better at Grand Slams than the last year.He havent reached semi final or even quarters I think
Zebrev
Hall of Fame
Reaching a slam final is only a matter of time. Federer won't even have 1st round points at French Open, yet he is still in the race. Zverev is the only player that can play well throughout the entire calender. Nadal was out with injury which will prove costly. He needed to sweep clay, and that has'nt happened.
Zhilady
Professional
I don’t get it. Both Federer and Nadal have already missed 2 Masters tournaments and Zverev is barely keeping up with them. I don’t think it’s a given that he’ll keep up with them when they play more regularly going forward.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Zverev has the youth on his side.
The other two can fold at any moment: Federer, because he is that old, and Nadal, because once the going gets tough and there are different challengers, he folds, because he cannot deal with high quality variety and prefers to get "injured" until the skies clear.
Zhilady
Professional
He’s had youth on his side all through 2018 so far, and he still trails Federer.
Say what you will about Nadal, but he’s got more of a champion’s mentality than Zverev will ever have.The other two can fold at any moment: Federer, because he is that old, and Nadal, because once the going gets tough and there are different challengers, he folds, because he cannot deal with high quality variety and prefers to get "injured" until the skies clear.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
He does trail, but he is near and it can get worse for his competitors.
As for the rest, while Nadal is, and probably will remain, the better player, that has nothing to do with who is greater, but who has what goals.
If Nadal needs to dig deep to be an YE #1 and the competition is strong, he might not be willing to go through it, while Zverev will be all over the chance, if it presents itself, regardless of the competition.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
But only if he wins RG first, in which case, with a Channel slam it will be difficult to argue against his claim anyway.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
But only if he wins RG first, in which case, with a Channel slam it will be difficult to argue against his claim anyway.
At minimum I see a Channel Slam, and if he stays healthy maybe another Rafa Slam.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
It's looking like we have to add Zverev to the equation as a realistic contender for year-end #1. At the moment, I'd still bet on him ending up as #3, but that's only because of the question marks surrounding his level in Slams and other best-of-five set matches. If he can sort that out, he's in with a great shot. If he beats Cilic tomorrow, he will go into Roland Garros #1 in the race. It will be:
1. Zverev: 3,135
2. Federer: 3,110
3. Nadal: 3,040
Basically a three-way tie. But Nadal will of course be on 5,040 points after Roland Garros and so well in the lead.
1. Zverev: 3,135
2. Federer: 3,110
3. Nadal: 3,040
Basically a three-way tie. But Nadal will of course be on 5,040 points after Roland Garros and so well in the lead.
enlightenment
Semi-Pro
A Djokovic victory in Rome could suddenly put him in the mix
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Fed as great as he is needs a power run to do it for sure.
Halle-Wimbledon-Cincinnati-USO-Shanghai-Basel
He lost the Sunshine Double so he absolutely needs USO this year. Asking him to win 2 more Slams is asking a lot but we'll see.
Zverev has 0 chance considering his failure at the Slams. Even if he wins say Canada & Shanghai I doubt would be enough. Would have to win WTF too.
Halle-Wimbledon-Cincinnati-USO-Shanghai-Basel
He lost the Sunshine Double so he absolutely needs USO this year. Asking him to win 2 more Slams is asking a lot but we'll see.
Zverev has 0 chance considering his failure at the Slams. Even if he wins say Canada & Shanghai I doubt would be enough. Would have to win WTF too.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Losing the Sunshine Double is a blow to Federer's chances (and contra the OP puts his odds WAY below what they were in July 2017), but I think it's more important for him that Nadal not win the US Open than that he win it. If, as expected, Nadal wins RG and Federer wins Wimbledon, then Federer might end as #1 if Zverev won the US Open and especially if some else won the US Open.
I don't think Zverev can be counted out of the US Open this year. If he puts in a good showing at Roland Garros and/or Wimbledon, he could set himself for a run at the title there. His failure at the Slams isn't going to continue long term. Perhaps his success at the MS events won't either, but he will find a happy medium and is almost for sure going to reach a lot of Slam quarters and semis in the near future, perhaps more.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Nadal now will be almost 2,000 points ahead of Federer in the race after he wins tomorrow. That means that even if he does lose in round 2 of Wimbledon as per usual and even if Federer wins it, they will still go into the summer hard-court season neck and neck in the race.
Race on 18 June will be:
1. Nadal: 5,040
2. Zverev: 3,495
3. Federer: 3,110
4. Del Potro: 3,020
5. Thiem: 2,985
Race on 18 June will be:
1. Nadal: 5,040
2. Zverev: 3,495
3. Federer: 3,110
4. Del Potro: 3,020
5. Thiem: 2,985
Zhilady
Professional
ATP Live Race:
1. Nadal - 5040
2. Zverev - 3495
3. Federer - 3360
4. Del Potro - 3020
5. Thiem - 2985
6. Cilic - 2370
19. Djokovic - 1055
We are halfway through the season and it looks like we have a good idea of who the contenders now are. I think it's safe to say it's between Nadal, Federer, Zverev, and Del Potro. Cilic is a long shot, Thiem isn't going to be a factor, and we can safely rule Djokovic out.
Nadal now leads Federer by 1680 points. Very sizable, but far from insurmountable. For reference, Nadal was leading Federer by 2870 points at the same point last year. So Federer has done relatively better by about 1200 points, which is very significant. If Federer can win Wimbledon (or even make the final) with Nadal not improving on his performance from last year, we're going to be looking at another very close race.
1. Nadal - 5040
2. Zverev - 3495
3. Federer - 3360
4. Del Potro - 3020
5. Thiem - 2985
6. Cilic - 2370
19. Djokovic - 1055
We are halfway through the season and it looks like we have a good idea of who the contenders now are. I think it's safe to say it's between Nadal, Federer, Zverev, and Del Potro. Cilic is a long shot, Thiem isn't going to be a factor, and we can safely rule Djokovic out.
Nadal now leads Federer by 1680 points. Very sizable, but far from insurmountable. For reference, Nadal was leading Federer by 2870 points at the same point last year. So Federer has done relatively better by about 1200 points, which is very significant. If Federer can win Wimbledon (or even make the final) with Nadal not improving on his performance from last year, we're going to be looking at another very close race.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Federer's withdrawal from Toronto is likely another nail in the coffin of his chances of finishing 2018 as #1.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer is the favourite to end year at #1. 73.30% have voted him.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
73% voted for him but I think Nadal would have to screw up badly to allow that to happen. Nadal would have to lose early at the USO and he would have to lose early in the WTF, which he pulled out of last year.
clout
Hall of Fame
To be fair, Djokovic has looked horrible for most of the year until the last month or so. So it's understandable why no one voted for him to finish number one, especially back in march, which was when this thread was posted.
