Slams by All-Time Greats Past 28
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helterskelter
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Check out Fiji's thread on winning Slams past 27. The big three have already broken all the previous records that he insisted they couldn't break. Indeed, Djokovic has won more Slams after his 28th birthday than Fiji said was possible past one's 27th birthday (six Slams). The simple truth is that what happened in the past DOES NOT determine what happens in the future.
Here's the thread: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...5-slams-after-turning-27.538312/#post-9481430
Here's the thread: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...5-slams-after-turning-27.538312/#post-9481430
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
This is wrong. Djokovic already has three Slams past 29.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Slams past a player's 31st birthday since start of 1975:
1 - Ashe
1 - Connors
1 - Sampras
1 - Agassi
1 - Wawrinka
2 - Djokovic
3 - Nadal
3 - Federer
From the start of 1975 through Wimbledon 2016, four Slams out of 167 were won by a man aged 31 or more. From the US Open 2016 to now, nine of nine Slams were won by a man aged 31 or more. Past doesn't determine future.
1 - Ashe
1 - Connors
1 - Sampras
1 - Agassi
1 - Wawrinka
2 - Djokovic
3 - Nadal
3 - Federer
From the start of 1975 through Wimbledon 2016, four Slams out of 167 were won by a man aged 31 or more. From the US Open 2016 to now, nine of nine Slams were won by a man aged 31 or more. Past doesn't determine future.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
The margins are very thin though on age. It's not as if Novak is piling it on past 30. Fact he won 4 in a row at 28 is good but as on the line as can be.
May 22nd is his birthday so technically yes, but miniscule.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Outlier like 69-73.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Only Djokovic can do it! Federer too old, Nadal too prone on injuries even when at his best, no ESPECIALLY when at his best, because when he plays at his best it usually plays huge toll on his body, negatively affecting it (just look shat happened in the semis against Del Potro this year at USO!)...Djokovic is the only one of the group unaffected by these factors! (His elbow injury is a very rare exception!) and his arguably more complete/universal than Nadal! One of the pundits says (i believe it is McEnroe!) before this year's USO that wherever he plays he always has to change tactics and adjust, unlike Djokovic who can play the same on every grand slam and still keep winning! Its much harder to stay consistent, while adjusting each time, Federer had it back when he was much younger, but these days he barely ever play clay court matches let alone RG in particular! Djokovic can win way more than 6 more slams, i would even go as for as 11 or 12, he will be capable of pulling off a 3 slams seasons, like those back from 2011 and 2015 in every season he will compete until at least 2021 maybe even 2022 as well! Granted a lot of this depends of how much current youngsters will step up, but remember we had this kind of conversation when talking about the likes of Dimitrov and Raonic a few years ago and yet here we are! I think people give too much credit to current youngsters, when they expect them to make sufficient breakthrough to break the domination of an old army...in my opinion while both Nadal and Djokovic still playing its not going to happen...at leads at grand slams! It is way more likely they will retire undefeated or unbothered by the current gen of youngsters, than that they will start struggling against them at some point...just my two cents though! Djokovic and Nadal, especially former will be Steffi Grafs of male tour when all said and done! (Steffi was an active Roland Garros title holder when she retired and her last match was her defeat in Wimbledon final!...she didn't retire because she felt she can no longer compete, she retired because of marriage...i am expecting the same for Novak! When all said and done, the only factors that will keep him from keep winning granslams will be outside ones, not the competition...) It may sound like i am looking at a crystal ball right now at the moment, but it comes from my personal observation, made considered on the situation in male tour, that never chahnged ever since Gulbis, Gasquet and Monfils were all believed to overtake or at least challenge Roger's numbers! The only difference is that back than it was young gulbises, monfilses and gasquets and now it is young zverevs, tsitsipases and kyrgioses! They are not as special as people give them credit...
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helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Of course the big three are outliers. But you're asking about whether a group of outliers can/will keep being a group of outliers. The regular "rules" don't apply to outliers. That's what makes them outliers. Perhaps none of the big three will win 6+ Slams after their 29th birthdays. But all three have already become the first three to win 6+ Slams after their 27th birthday and Djokovic has already become the first to win 6+ Slams after his 28th birthday. The point is that the past results aren't good evidence as to their likely success, both because they're outliers and because the tour as a whole has aged.
I know that you won't believe it is possible to win 6+ Slams after someone turns 29 until someone does it. But others before you believed the same thing about 27 and time has definitely proven them wrong. It will happen one day that a man wins 6+ Slams after turning 29. The only question is whether one of the big three will be the first to do it. Anyway, Laver would almost certainly have won 6+ Slams after he turned 29 if the US Open 67 or Australian Open 68 had been open or if he hadn't missed so many Slams from 1970 onwards because of a contrast dispute. Rosewall would likely have done so too were barred from playing Slams until he was 33 and a half. Even starting at 33 and a half, he won four Slams in the Open Era.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Put the point about outliers a different way, here's the full list of Slam titles won before turning 29 for male players in the Open Era:
Federer - 16
Nadal - 14
Sampras - 13
Djokovic - 11
Borg - 11
Federer - 16
Nadal - 14
Sampras - 13
Djokovic - 11
Borg - 11
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