So are you trying to tell me Federer tanked?

Blocker

Professional
We have never really gotten to the bottom of this. So I’m getting to the bottom of it.

In 2007 Sampras defeated Federer in an exhibition match in Macau. Yes it was just an exhibition, but so was the Drako v Rocky fight in Moscow. Notwithstanding, no current professional tour player in their right mind, least of all the world number 1 at the time, would want to lose to a player who was 5 years retired.

Sampras won the match 7-6 6-4.

The match has been referred to on here every now and again, and every time it is, Federer fans dismiss it by asserting that Federer did not try 100 per cent or he outright tanked. These claims of tanking have never been proved nor have they really been challenged. So I’m challenging them. IMO, if you’re not playing 100 per cent, you’re tanking, unless the reason is due to injury. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that it was part of the contractual arrangement that Federer give a match to Sampras. This flies in the face of everything Federer stands for with respect to his professionalism, ethics and values, ie soliciting himself to tank a match for a pay cheque. So I do not believe that for a second.

By rights, Federer should have swept the three match series 3 and 0, swept the sets 6 and 0 and there should have been 1 or 2 bagels amongst that 6 and 0 set scoreline. Remember, not only was Sampras 5 years retired, he was also 12-13 years past his prime.

So, did Federer tank or not? If you believe he tanked, which includes not giving 100 per cent, what evidence do you have to support this?

If your tanking claim cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and is just that, a claim, then I’m calling b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t on your claim.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
So if I believe he gave less than 100% in an exo against a retired player, I have to provide evidence for it. But you can just go and claim that Federer played an exo 100% against someone with a beer belly (and still lost in straights) and you don't have to provide jack ****? Sounds like a good deal, not.
 

Dave1982

Professional
We have never really gotten to the bottom of this. So I’m getting to the bottom of it.

In 2007 Sampras defeated Federer in an exhibition match in Macau. Yes it was just an exhibition, but so was the Drako v Rocky fight in Moscow. Notwithstanding, no current professional tour player in their right mind, least of all the world number 1 at the time, would want to lose to a player who was 5 years retired.

Sampras won the match 7-6 6-4.

The match has been referred to on here every now and again, and every time it is, Federer fans dismiss it by asserting that Federer did not try 100 per cent or he outright tanked. These claims of tanking have never been proved nor have they really been challenged. So I’m challenging them. IMO, if you’re not playing 100 per cent, you’re tanking, unless the reason is due to injury. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that it was part of the contractual arrangement that Federer give a match to Sampras. This flies in the face of everything Federer stands for with respect to his professionalism, ethics and values, ie soliciting himself to tank a match for a pay cheque. So I do not believe that for a second.

By rights, Federer should have swept the three match series 3 and 0, swept the sets 6 and 0 and there should have been 1 or 2 bagels amongst that 6 and 0 set scoreline. Remember, not only was Sampras 5 years retired, he was also 12-13 years past his prime.

So, did Federer tank or not? If you believe he tanked, which includes not giving 100 per cent, what evidence do you have to support this?

If your tanking claim cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and is just that, a claim, then I’m calling b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t on your claim.

Im calling b/s on your whole post...what next, an investigation into whether The Undertaker tanked his match against The Rock...seriously I knew the quality of posters on these boards had deteriorated but questioning the legitimacy of an exho result from 10 years ago...give us a break.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
I'm sure Sampras could have beaten Fed in this year's AO final if he cared :)

After all, Rafa is the only player who loses his ability when he loses his hair.
 

Flash O'Groove

Hall of Fame
We have never really gotten to the bottom of this. So I’m getting to the bottom of it.

In 2007 Sampras defeated Federer in an exhibition match in Macau. Yes it was just an exhibition, but so was the Drako v Rocky fight in Moscow. Notwithstanding, no current professional tour player in their right mind, least of all the world number 1 at the time, would want to lose to a player who was 5 years retired.

Sampras won the match 7-6 6-4.

The match has been referred to on here every now and again, and every time it is, Federer fans dismiss it by asserting that Federer did not try 100 per cent or he outright tanked. These claims of tanking have never been proved nor have they really been challenged. So I’m challenging them. IMO, if you’re not playing 100 per cent, you’re tanking, unless the reason is due to injury. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that it was part of the contractual arrangement that Federer give a match to Sampras. This flies in the face of everything Federer stands for with respect to his professionalism, ethics and values, ie soliciting himself to tank a match for a pay cheque. So I do not believe that for a second.

By rights, Federer should have swept the three match series 3 and 0, swept the sets 6 and 0 and there should have been 1 or 2 bagels amongst that 6 and 0 set scoreline. Remember, not only was Sampras 5 years retired, he was also 12-13 years past his prime.

So, did Federer tank or not? If you believe he tanked, which includes not giving 100 per cent, what evidence do you have to support this?

If your tanking claim cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and is just that, a claim, then I’m calling b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t on your claim.

As always you are dead wrong! It's not Federer who tanked, but Sampras!

We all know that Federer despise Sampras with a passion. In 2007 he was already in the verge of catching Sampras's records, but deep down he knew that a shadow would always be cast upon his achievements because of the meekness of his opponents. Hewitt and Safin?? Come on, Sampras would straight them in any USO final!!! And with ease.

But of course, Sampras is a very compasionate human being, and somehow he took a liking for Fed, of all being. I know, so sad. Terrible choice. So not only did he let Federer win at Wimbledon when he was the defending champion, but 6 years later, he tried so hard to lose again. But his second serve is just too good, and as you said he was a bit rusty, which led him to hit some aces when he intended to double fault.

The only people who don't see this are the former "greats" who are mislead that all the fake news manufactured by the media-industrio-complex. It's crystal clear that Sampras, 6 years after retiring, could have dominated the tour of 2007 with ease. That's probably why he didn't take a racket again. Why should you proove anything to all the deniers? That's a zen knowledge he share with fellow gracefull godling Kyrgios and Tomic: If you know you are the best, no point bother to show it to anyone else.

So please stop your pro-Federer propaganda and admit for once that Federer was in no position to tank anything, being clearly inferior in all aspect to Lord Petros.
 

Luckydog

Professional
Just an exhibition match. Marking any serious conclusion based on it sounds hilarious.Good post for fun.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
Oh yeah, I remember what I wanted to remind you of now. Did you watch Peter Wright last night?
OH YES!!! Great victory for Snakebite, and about time for him to get a big title (even in the absence of Van Gerven, which I think is no argument tbh).
Very enjoyable tournament with a highly deserving winner. :) :) :)
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
OH YES!!! Great victory for Snakebite, and about time for him to get a big title (even in the absence of Van Gerven, which I think is no argument tbh).
Very enjoyable tournament with a highly deserving winner. :) :) :)

I've been a fan for quite a while, but his gracious and warming words for Van Gerwen in his victory speech made me an even bigger fan. Hopefully, this will give him some extra confidence so that we can see a more competitive season this year, with the Scottish Armada gunning for Mighty Michael. I wonder about the specifics of Van Gerwen's injury... I hope it's not related to his unique technique.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
I've been a fan for quite a while, but his gracious and warming words for Van Gerwen in his victory speech made me an even bigger fan. Hopefully, this will give him some extra confidence so that we can see a more competitive season this year, with the Scottish Armada gunning for Mighty Michael. I wonder about the specifics of Van Gerwen's injury... I hope it's not related to his unique technique.
Both Wright and Anderson are great fellows indeed. I usually root for them, especially Anderson, who appears to be the Wawrinka of darts. :D
Apparently Mighty Mike is having back troubles, but it shouldn't be anything serious, I hope he'll be back for the Premier League come Thursday. :)
Also, his wife is expecting their first kid, perhaps he wanted to stay at home for a bit?

One of things I like so much about those dart players: they are all so genuine.

Silly thread succesfully derailed - time to dump it into the sewer where it belongs.
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
Both Wright and Anderson are great fellows indeed. I usually root for them, especially Anderson, who appears to be the Wawrinka of darts. :D
Apparently Mighty Mike is having back troubles, but it shouldn't be anything serious, I hope he'll be back for the Premier League come Thursday. :)
Also, his wife is expecting their first kid, perhaps he wanted to stay at home for a bit?

One of things I like so much about those dart players: they are all so genuine.

Yes, I think the setting really helps them there. In tennis, we unfortunately so much thanking of sponsors and other automated responses. You still get that in darts but to a much lesser extent. I think there's a real camaraderie between darts players because they spend so much time drinking together. Formula 1 is another sport where what you see and hear is pretty much unfiltered. I think the chess chaps are pretty genuine too.

You could well be right on your last point. Van Gerwen needed to recharge a bit anyway the dude is relentless.. gosh.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
OP: if you really think Fed didn't tank the Sampras exo's, there's nothing left to say. To suggest otherwise is beyond ludicrous. As Agassi said at the time, "the scores will be as close as Roger wants them to be." The Sampras exos were worked out and scripted before they even took to the court. You can watch those exo's on Youtube and plainly see Roger was not taking them seriously. You obviously have no understanding of exo's and the agreements between players/organizers before the event.

As for the Dubai match, I don't think Roger was tanking at all. I think he choked.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
One more moment to complete the derailing before I let you go. I'm sure you'll appreciate this...


WOW what a collection of BDO Legends! :eek: :)

The challenge is... spot Peter Wright.
Oops, a toughie!
All faces shown are from the pre-PDC era, at least 20 to perhaps 30 years ago, so I should look for a guy about 25 years of age... and at that time a total nobody in the sport, so he won't be anywhere in the 'spotlights' here.

My guess: the opponent of The Viking, at the 1:18 mark?
 

-NN-

G.O.A.T.
WOW what a collection of BDO Legends! :eek: :)


Oops, a toughie!
All faces shown are from the pre-PDC era, at least 20 to perhaps 30 years ago, so I should look for a guy about 25 years of age... and at that time a total nobody in the sport, so he won't be anywhere in the 'spotlights' here.

My guess: the opponent of The Viking, at the 1:18 mark?

Hint: He's in the video thumbnail. ;)

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Shocking, I know.
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Im calling b/s on your whole post...what next, an investigation into whether The Undertaker tanked his match against The Rock...seriously I knew the quality of posters on these boards had deteriorated but questioning the legitimacy of an exho result from 10 years ago...give us a break.

Give us a break???
The OP will never give us a break unless Federer retires and stop winning slam.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Watch the Nadal Federer back to back exhibitions when each tanked their matches in the other's hometowns. In one of the 3rd sets time was running out for TV coverage (?) and all of a sudden that set ended 6-1. LOLLLL.

Essentially, Fed didn't want to embarrass Sampras so he threw him a bone.
 
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TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
Watch the Nadal Federer back to back exhibitions when each tanked their matches in the other's hometowns. In one of the 3rd sets time was running out for TV coverage (?) and all of a sudden that set ended 6-1. LOLLLL.
Haha, yes that was so obvious. Of course both matches were 'fixed', but who cares? Besides of course collecting the dosh (fortunately for charity purposes in most cases), exho's are meant to be just a bit of fun, both for the players involved and for the crowd of course.
Both of these surely served their purposes.

Essentially, Fed didn't want to embarrass Sampras so he through him a bone.
Yep. Anyways, any serious discussion about the outcome of an exho should be avoided at all times.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
We have never really gotten to the bottom of this. So I’m getting to the bottom of it.

In 2007 Sampras defeated Federer in an exhibition match in Macau. Yes it was just an exhibition, but so was the Drako v Rocky fight in Moscow. Notwithstanding, no current professional tour player in their right mind, least of all the world number 1 at the time, would want to lose to a player who was 5 years retired.

Sampras won the match 7-6 6-4.

The match has been referred to on here every now and again, and every time it is, Federer fans dismiss it by asserting that Federer did not try 100 per cent or he outright tanked. These claims of tanking have never been proved nor have they really been challenged. So I’m challenging them. IMO, if you’re not playing 100 per cent, you’re tanking, unless the reason is due to injury. Some conspiracy theorists have even suggested that it was part of the contractual arrangement that Federer give a match to Sampras. This flies in the face of everything Federer stands for with respect to his professionalism, ethics and values, ie soliciting himself to tank a match for a pay cheque. So I do not believe that for a second.

By rights, Federer should have swept the three match series 3 and 0, swept the sets 6 and 0 and there should have been 1 or 2 bagels amongst that 6 and 0 set scoreline. Remember, not only was Sampras 5 years retired, he was also 12-13 years past his prime.

So, did Federer tank or not? If you believe he tanked, which includes not giving 100 per cent, what evidence do you have to support this?

If your tanking claim cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and is just that, a claim, then I’m calling b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t on your claim.

I'll just leave this here:

 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
All I know is that at 35 Sampras was winning pity games off of Federer while Fed was winning Slams beating several quality opponents.
 
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