Dude, you're losing it. The point was not that Boris returned well in the Wimby '97 QF but rather that simply looking at URS% alone isn't enough to gauge the opponent's actual performance on return.
After I contradicted your Korda/Becker returning in Wim 97, you talked about the URs% alone thing. (no issue there)
But you also continued to insist Becker (&Korda) returned that well.
Korda did well to push that Pistol to 5 sets, ditto Becker keeping his nemesis' URS% under 50%.
so maybe check what you've writtten/stop with crap evaluations
And as you should recall from that old GBHOAT thread I'm hardly the only one who rates Becker's BH over Fed's. You could say your boy is better day in and day out, but if we're talking top-drawer versions of both I'm taking Boris.
disagree. no version of becker BH could hold up vs nadal of RG 07 final for example, probably not even hold up like Rome 06 final vs nadal. don't think Becker's bh does anywhere near as well vs safin bh as fed bh in AO 05 semi for another.
and you of course have that blake exhibition in YEC 06, fed's late exploits with bh in 17 etc. bh masterclasses on medium-fast+ HCs at his peak (incl agassi/hewitt/safin in YECs 03/04, outclassing djoko bh in USO 08/09), then outclassing Murray BH in AO 10 etc.
you are probably thinking top drawer becker vs a good fed, but not necessarily top drawer versions of fed.
there may be specific matchups where Becker's bh is a little better, but overall fed's BH takes it day in day out or top drawer.
It's probably top 10. Just not sure about top 5.
its top 5 for me. But that's fine.
And Pistol hit 7 DFs of his own in an otherwise literally flawless outing. And 13 DFs in the '02 USO F which was at worst one of his very best performances on hard. What does that prove, really? Both guys were going for it on 2nds and sometimes you miss more than you'd like. That's Big Game/GC tennis.
More of Becker not serving well after 1st set.
Sampras in USO 02 final: 67/152 serves unret = 44.1%
subtracting 13 DFs, that becomes 54/152 = 35.52%
Wim 95 final Becker.
36% serves unret
with 15 DFs, that becomes 25%
a whopping 10.5% difference with Wimbledon grass being more friendlier for serving.
difference is Sampras went for more and succeeded (even with some more DFs).
becker just wasn't good after the 1st set.
Becker won 26/67 2nd serve points in Wim 95 final. that's a mere 39%. if you excl DFs, it becomes 26/52 = 50%
Sampras won 34/65 2nd serve points in USO 02 final. that's 52%. if you excl DFs, it becomes, 34/52 = ~66%
Sampras was actually going for it on 2nd serves and it shows.
what were Becker serve speeds for the Wim 95 final and the SF respectively?
Plus Boris still had 36% of his serves unreturned. To compare that with Bull's downright dismal 16% is flat-out nonsensical. You're not thinking clearly if you think that Becker would be "destroyed" by anybody on grass, especially when Pistol in his arguably very greatest performance couldn't even manage a breadstick.
what are you talking about? I was comparing overall performance of Becker and Nadal in the respective finals, not just serving.
nadal was playing very well off the ground/on the return. becker wasn't playing that well at the net or off the ground or on the return after the 1st set.
maybe read properly instead of chest thumping so called flawless analysis.
Edit: oh and that Wim 95 final was a destruction on grass after 1st set. 2 double break sets and a single break set. no BPs generated by Becker on return (actually for whole match), let alone a break. that's a destruction on grass.
just because Sampras didn't serve 1st in set 2 or 4 to make it a breadstick doesn't change that.