The Official Angell Users Club

[sanister]

Hey folks. What's the difference between the D beam of 95/100 and the box beam of 97?

Also, for those who have both the 95 and 100, how do they compare?

Thanks!

Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.

 

[BBender716]

This is just a suggestion before you cut the gut out. Since the gut produces more power, try to not hit your shots as hard through the ball, but focus on brushing the ball and coming from high to low with lots of force (I hope I'm making sense). This may still make the ball go a similar depth as with Hyper-G but not sail long.

I'm not sure what tension you had the strings at, but I bought a TC95 63RA 16x19 from the Bay and it had Klip Legend gut (black) in the Mains and Yonex PTP (yellow) in the Crosses @ 53 lbs for both from the sticker on the throat. It played very well, but when I put some extra juice on my shots, I needed to focus on giving it the extra racquet head speed and a real good brush from high to low for the ball to go in. If I did that the shot just rocketed in.

I hope it helps. Pity to waste the gut.

Yup I'm going to work at it a bit more. I typically hit very topspin heavy almost to my own detriment (my coach is focusing on having me hit at a lower height above the net consistently). However with gut/poly it's just so tough to gauge. But maybe I'll try exaggerating and even moving to full semiwestern from eastern.

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[topspn]

Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.

That does some it up nicely and yes due to the oval shape, twist weight is not real high on TC95 but TC100 is wider which inherently gives it a bit more twist weight. If it bothers someone then add a bit of weight to 10&2

 

[BBender716]

That does some it up nicely and yes due to the oval shape, twist weight is not real high on TC95 but TC100 is wider which inherently gives it a bit more twist weight. If it bothers someone then add a bit of weight to 10&2

I have a TC95 that stock is 10pts HL and I applied lead at 9 and 3 for this reason.

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[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Surely you mean low to high? As in exaggerating in sort of a windshield wiper stroke? I'm trying to take a mental image of a high to low brush and keep picturing a slap like swat.

Yeah, sorry was typing quickly...

 

[landcookie]

Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.

Thanks for the responses guys.

I currently play with 2xTC 100 @ 27.5 inches (a 63 and 70 RA). It's a monster of a racquet. Recently I went to poly/gut setup and am finding the power hard to manage.

I often wonder how the TC95, or even the TC 97 compares.

Twist weight is important to me and I'm not a fan of putting lead at 10/3 or anywhere but 12. I find it makes the racquet sluggish.

 

[topspn]

Thanks for the responses guys.

I currently play with 2xTC 100 @ 27.5 inches (a 63 and 70 RA). It's a monster of a racquet. Recently I went to poly/gut setup and am finding the power hard to manage.

I often wonder how the TC95, or even the TC 97 compares.

Twist weight is important to me and I'm not a fan of putting lead at 10/3 or anywhere but 12. I find it makes the racquet sluggish.

I only play it in a full poly with decent control.

 

[sanister]

Thanks for the responses guys.

I currently play with 2xTC 100 @ 27.5 inches (a 63 and 70 RA). It's a monster of a racquet. Recently I went to poly/gut setup and am finding the power hard to manage.

I often wonder how the TC95, or even the TC 97 compares.

Twist weight is important to me and I'm not a fan of putting lead at 10/3 or anywhere but 12. I find it makes the racquet sluggish.

I know its definitely very personal but I much prefer TC97 with gut/poly. But with TC95/100 nothing beats full poly for me. Maybe it is the inherent power levels or control between the two beam shapes

I only play it in a full poly with decent control.

 

[Rui Lopes]

@topspn @Rui Lopes Well, my stringing guy measured it on his babolat RDS machine, but maybe the machine is off...it’s pretty old

Get the swing tool app and do it yourself. it´s free and pretty good. That´s what i use...

 

[landcookie]

I know its definitely very personal but I much prefer TC97 with gut/poly. But with TC95/100 nothing beats full poly for me. Maybe it is the inherent power levels or control between the two beam shapes

What's a poly that you guys find work with the TC100?
I've tried hyper g, element, RS Lyon, PTS, and a few others with varied success. Next on the list is Cyclone Tour and Adrenaline.

Just love how gut /poly plays though

 

[Grieeegoorr]

I put gut/poly on my TC95 16x19 and hate it. I just blew a bunch of money on the string job and feel like I can't cut it out should have just went back to hyper g or two sets of confidential I have.

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Not sure if you want to keep spending money on something that your not gelling with, in an effort to tame the power you could try cutting out the crosses and restringing them a bit tighter or restringing them with a poly that is pretty dead like Kirschbaum Max Power.

 

[BBender716]

Not sure if you want to keep spending money on something that your not gelling with, in an effort to tame the power you could try cutting out the crosses and restringing them a bit tighter or restringing them with a poly that is pretty dead like Kirschbaum Max Power.

I'm not going to KEEP spending money on it. I'll give it a try for 2-3 sessions and figure out if I want to stick with it or revert back to full poly.

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[Grieeegoorr]

I'm not going to KEEP spending money on it. I'll give it a try for 2-3 sessions and figure out if I want to stick with it or revert back to full poly.

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Completely understand, the main reason I brought a stringing machine and learnt to string was because it was getting too expensive when my experiments didn't work out how I had hoped.

 

[2nd Serve Ace]

Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.

Hate that the last two versions of the Wilson blade aren't D beam, the natural power and stability of that shape was the heart and soul of that frame, imho.

Also, high time there was an 18×19 angell 100 option!

 

[topspn]

Hate that the last two versions of the Wilson blade aren't D beam, the natural power and stability of that shape was the heart and soul of that frame, imho.

Also, high time there was an 18×19 angell 100 option!

One of my leagues is doubles and my partner plays an old nBlade and that frame hits beautifully

 

[BBender716]

Completely understand, the main reason I brought a stringing machine and learnt to string was because it was getting too expensive when my experiments didn't work out how I had hoped.

If I were younger Id do the same. Can't explain to the Mrs why I need a stringing machine when I play twice a week lol

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[landcookie]

If I were younger Id do the same. Can't explain to the Mrs why I need a stringing machine when I play twice a week lol

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Ha. Mines encouraging me to get one.

 

[what_army]

Hi, I am after a few handle weights to rebalance two tc95s that I just acquired - can anyone in Europe hook me up? TIA

(I'll also take any L4B pallets, L4 buttcap, angell leather and tc95 16x19 black grommets).

 

[Unchi]

Has anyone successfully customize Tc101 and make it work? Would love to hear more thoughts on how the frame feels.
Really hope they release the rest of TC line in the Octane paint soon!
Also, any updates on Paul's condition?

 

[topspn]

Has anyone successfully customize Tc101 and make it work? Would love to hear more thoughts on how the frame feels.
Really hope they release the rest of TC line in the Octane paint soon!
Also, any updates on Paul's condition?

I assume Paul wants some privacy on his condition so no information.

 

[emhtennis]

Can anyone give a more thorough review of the ASL-2 now that it's been on the market for a few months?

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[Unchi]

I assume Paul wants some privacy on his condition so no information.

My apologies. Best wishes for him and his family.

 

[Unchi]

I recently played with old Vantage 95 16x19 63ra and these broken-in ones just feel fantastic! strung with rpm blast 17 at 42lbs. They are noticeably softer(less crisp and less powerful) than V2 TC95.

 

[what_army]

I recently played with old Vantage 95 16x19 63ra and these broken-in ones just feel fantastic! strung with rpm blast 17 at 42lbs. They are noticeably softer(less crisp and less powerful) than V2 TC95.

I also have a couple vantages 16x19 63ra and they do feel soft although I only have tc95 v2 70ra to compare to. I strung my vantages with biphase x1 mains and cream crosses which also doesn't help. What I think is even more noticeable when comparing to V2s is the higher swingweight.

 

[djNEiGht]

Hi, I am after a few handle weights to rebalance two tc95s that I just acquired - can anyone in Europe hook me up? TIA

(I'll also take any L4B pallets, L4 buttcap, angell leather and tc95 16x19 black grommets).

THose weights might be tough to come by. I'd just look into tungsten putty

 

[pastashop42]

Can anyone give a more thorough review of the ASL-2 now that it's been on the market for a few months?

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Angell ASL2

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Still liking it. Playable in stock form depending on your style / level, but also room to customize. I’ve mine up at 350g, pretty evenly distributed (balance around 31cm, IIRC). Soft poly feels great right out the gate. Stiffer strings seem to get better with (the strings’) age for me, but I’ve not experimented too much.

 

[sanister]

Hi, I am after a few handle weights to rebalance two tc95s that I just acquired - can anyone in Europe hook me up? TIA

(I'll also take any L4B pallets, L4 buttcap, angell leather and tc95 16x19 black grommets).

I remember reading here (have no experience personally) that you can pick up small weights they use for wheel balancing from car tire shops and those fit perfectly in the pallets. They also come in variety of weights.

 

[topspn]

I remember reading here (have no experience personally) that you can pick up small weights they use for wheel balancing from car tire shops and those fit perfectly in the pallets. They also come in variety of weights.

lol..yes @saleem was the one that did it. Good memory!

 

[JLaw516]

I received my racquet today and after stringing it I flipped it over to find two chips on the throat of my new racquet [emoji3525]. I have strung a bunch of different racquets on my stringer and never had this happen before. Evidently the metal right behind my throat clamp pushed into the frame hard enough to chip the paint. Kind of sucks to have two marks like that before I hit the first ball.

I was able to hit against a wall since there were no available courts this evening while I was there. I did like the feel on contact of the racquet. I will play some doubles tomorrow evening to test it out.

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[aehjmeyer]

Silly question but lots of gurus here likely able to answer quickly: using same gauge of poly, how much difference in weight of just string would you expect going from 16x19 to 18x20 pattern (assuming same head size in square inches)? Shouldn't be more than 1-2 grams, right?

I'm trying to estimate final specs on a K7 Lime I'm about to order based on in stock frames they have. Anyone have before and after specs with a 1.20 or 1.25gm poly in a K7 lime?

 

[Jouke]

Silly question but lots of gurus here likely able to answer quickly: using same gauge of poly, how much difference in weight of just string would you expect going from 16x19 to 18x20 pattern (assuming same head size in square inches)? Shouldn't be more than 1-2 grams, right?

I'm trying to estimate final specs on a K7 Lime I'm about to order based on in stock frames they have. Anyone have before and after specs with a 1.20 or 1.25gm poly in a K7 lime?

You can expact around 4 points of swingweight difference assuming you use the same string (e.g. poly tour pro) but different gauge 1.20 vs 1.25.

 

[what_army]

I remember reading here (have no experience personally) that you can pick up small weights they use for wheel balancing from car tire shops and those fit perfectly in the pallets. They also come in variety of weights.

Thanks sanister, I'm not familiar with wheel balancing weights but these show up on google, I'm guessing they're not too different from the ones you've seen right?

 

[sanister]

Thanks sanister, I'm not familiar with wheel balancing weights but these show up on google, I'm guessing they're not too different from the ones you've seen right?

Yep that is right!

 

[aehjmeyer]

You can expact around 4 points of swingweight difference assuming you use the same string (e.g. poly tour pro) but different gauge 1.20 vs 1.25.

I went with 317g/296 SW racket. Thanks for your help. Hopefully I won’t have to add too much weight after adding strings...

 

[Jouke]

I went with 317g/296 SW racket. Thanks for your help. Hopefully I won’t have to add too much weight after adding strings...

What is your target Swingweight? You can really adjust the swingweight by using different strings.

 

[aehjmeyer]

What is your target Swingweight? You can really adjust the swingweight by using different strings.

Target SW ~ 330, a little less would be fine if it swings as freely as others have reported. I’m trying to keep static weight below 340gm if possible, which I think should be doable with 17g poly.

 

[Jouke]

Target SW ~ 330, a little less would be fine if it swings as freely as others have reported. I’m trying to keep static weight below 340gm if possible, which I think should be doable with 17g poly.

You will do fine with 17g poly! ptp yellow 1.20 adds 33sw points in 18x20 patterns, measured on my head tuning center. Have fun with your new racket!

 

[aehjmeyer]

You will do fine with 17g poly! ptp yellow 1.20 adds 33sw points in 18x20 patterns, measured on my head tuning center. Have fun with your new racket!

Glad to have someone else confirm my rough calculations! Thanks again!

 

[aehjmeyer]

Out of curiosity how much static weight did 17g PTP add to your 18x20 frame?

 

[aehjmeyer]

My return to TC100 parallels what others have said recently. S7T 16g is a good pairing. No racket has given me more free points on serve than the TC100, which is very noticeable given that my serve is far from a weapon. Really helps me to take a bit off my serve to hit spots better while still having enough pace to cause problems. For sure makes the game easier, but I really have to focus on generating enough topspin on groundies. It'll be interesting to contrast this racket with my incoming K7 Lime...

 

[topspn]

My return to TC100 parallels what others have said recently. S7T 16g is a good pairing. No racket has given me more free points on serve than the TC100, which is very noticeable given that my serve is far from a weapon. Really helps me to take a bit off my serve to hit spots better while still having enough pace to cause problems. For sure makes the game easier, but I really have to focus on generating enough topspin on groundies. It'll be interesting to contrast this racket with my incoming K7 Lime...

Wow they’ll be shockingly different

 

[tennis347]

I purchased the ASL2 about a month ago and only hit with it once in horrible playing conditions and didn't dial in with it. I realize that after playing with the Blade v7 98 16 x 19 for a while that I need a more HL frame as my shoulder is fatiguing from serving with it.

The ASL2 has a nice open string pattern for easy spin as well nice whippy balance. I am going to break it out again and tinker around more with tension as well as some minor customization.

 

[Jouke]

I purchased the ASL2 about a month ago and only hit with it once in horrible playing conditions and didn't dial in with it. I realize that after playing with the Blade v7 98 16 x 19 for a while that I need a more HL frame as my shoulder is fatiguing from serving with it.

The ASL2 has a nice open string pattern for easy spin as well nice whippy balance. I am going to break it out again and tinker around more with tension as well as some minor customization.

Oh no, is it all starting over again your search for perfection? I thought you found your gem in the V7!

 

[tennis347]

Oh no, is it all starting over again your search for perfection? I thought you found your gem in the V7!

I don't think there is such a thing as perfection. I don't know if you would say that I am starting over again, lol. The Blade is a really solid as I stated previously. I believe it's my serving technique that needs work. The ASL2 may be more user friendly due to easier spin and depth if I can get dialed in with it. I will keep you posted. I appreciate your concern, lol.

 

[Porschkub]

How are the angells so powerful if they are flexible and than beamed ? Serious question I've never hit with one
I think it's similar to head prestige line and they very low power

 

[sanister]

I received my racquet today and after stringing it I flipped it over to find two chips on the throat of my new racquet [emoji3525]. I have strung a bunch of different racquets on my stringer and never had this happen before. Evidently the metal right behind my throat clamp pushed into the frame hard enough to chip the paint. Kind of sucks to have two marks like that before I hit the first ball.

I was able to hit against a wall since there were no available courts this evening while I was there. I did like the feel on contact of the racquet. I will play some doubles tomorrow evening to test it out.

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Oh man, sorry about that. I had something similar happen to my 6.1 18x20 a while back. I think I tightened the throat clamp too tight and honestly I'm not even sure till date how I got two similar marks like yours on my pristine brand new racquet. It even had the plastic on the handle on. Good thing about yours, you can use a sharpie and make it look better. Enjoy the racquet!

 

[Pneumated1]

How are the angells so powerful if they are flexible and than beamed ? Serious question I've never hit with one
I think it's similar to head prestige line and they very low power

I've read comparisons of TC97s and prestiges, but I don't think the TC95 compares much at all. I personally think they're more like classic dunlops. The power/flex ratio is where the dark art gets mysterious. My guess is an unspecified amount of Vibranium into the micro-braid. The 'thicker carbon wall' fact is measurable. I just embrace the paradox

 

[Rui Lopes]

has anyone here played with the most recent Prince Textreme Tour 100 (310g) , and can compare with the TC100 in terms of Confort , power and Control?
Thanks

 

[lima]

has anyone here played with the most recente Prince Textreme Tour 100 (310g) , and can compare with the TC100 in terms of Confort , power and Control?
Thanks

Prince is more comfortable, TC100 is more powerfull, Prince has little more control.

 

[Rui Lopes]

Prince is more comfortable, TC100 is more powerfull, Prince has little more control.

Thanks for the reply. Can you tell me why you prefer the Phantom Pro 100 to the Textreme Tour 100?