The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

[haqq777]

I know people are crazy about 14x18 since it was the spin beast of yore and has quite a following because of POG mid enthusiasts, but I was hoping for at least a regular 16x19 to be honest for those who want some familiarity. I really shouldn't knock it since I have not played with POG Mid but it just sounds a bit awkward to me. Please don't kill me, POG mid guys, lol.

 

[Tao69]

Can someone confirm if the 93P is foam filled, whether it be just the handle or the complete hoop?

Apologies if this has been covered but I didn’t see it as I browsed the thread and may have missed it.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Can someone confirm if the 93P is foam filled, whether it be just the handle or the complete hoop?

Apologies if this has been covered but I didn’t see it as I browsed the thread and may have missed it.

Just curious or is there a functional reason this matters? The 93P doesn't feel hollow if that's what you are worried about. But it could just be the thin beam means the wall will be very thick with no room for much air or foam for that matter.

 

[Tao69]

Just curious or is there a functional reason this matters? The 93P doesn't feel hollow if that's what you are worried about. But it could just be the thin beam means the wall will be very thick with no room for much air or foam for that matter.

Fair question, I have been thinking about whether it matters or not, given even Angell has moved away from using a foam core in the K7 range.

I’m a fan of flexible box beams and like the idea of having a foam core, so was probably just looking for another reason to justify getting the 93P if I was being honest with myself.

 

[stephenclown]

Can someone confirm if the 93P is foam filled, whether it be just the handle or the complete hoop?

Apologies if this has been covered but I didn’t see it as I browsed the thread and may have missed it.

It is not foam filled but it doesn't really need it. Weight is controlled to areas that need it, feels very solid and very whippy. I agree with Dart above, its likely that getting the foam through the 16mm throat may not be so simple. Easier to just use more graphite. Does not feel hollow at all the tensions I have used (30 current to mid 50s)

 

[Tao69]

It is not foam filled but it doesn't really need it. Weight is controlled to areas that need it, feels very solid and very whippy. I agree with Dart above, its likely that getting the foam through the 16mm throat may not be so simple. Easier to just use more graphite. Does not feel hollow at all the tensions I have used (30 current to mid 50s)

Appreciate the response and great to know, the 93P isn’t sold in Australia so I’d be buying from the US without testing, wouldn’t be the first time though.

I get the sense the industry has solved the vibration issues with different forms of graphite in the layup, so a foam core is no longer the only solution. It’s just going to have a different feel to it.

 

[am1899]

I know people are crazy about 14x18 since it was the spin beast of yore and has quite a following because of POG mid enthusiasts, but I was hoping for at least a regular 16x19 to be honest for those who want some familiarity. I really shouldn't knock it since I have not played with POG Mid but it just sounds a bit awkward to me. Please don't kill me, POG mid guys, lol.

My thoughts exactly. Which is why I almost didn’t bother to demo the 93p 18x20 - every racquet I’ve played with over a 20+ year career has been 16x18 or 16x19...until now.

 

[stephenclown]

Appreciate the response and great to know, the 93P isn’t sold in Australia so I’d be buying from the US without testing, wouldn’t be the first time though.

I get the sense the industry has solved the vibration issues with different forms of graphite in the layup, so a foam core is no longer the only solution. It’s just going to have a different feel to it.

Im selling one on the bay for 205 but syn instead of leather. I have 2 matching frames and want to try the 14x18 so I will just stick with my 2 18x20s that are stock leather with lead at 12. Leather grip is great on these but others don't like it.

If you are in Brisbane we can have a hit. I purchased from a shop in singapore that had better prices than the US and free frame matching.

 

[Tao69]

Im selling one on the bay for 205 but syn instead of leather. I have 2 matching frames and want to try the 14x18 so I will just stick with my 2 18x20s that are stock leather with lead at 12. Leather grip is great on these but others don't like it.

If you are in Brisbane we can have a hit. I purchased from a shop in singapore that had better prices than the US and free frame matching.

I am in Brisbane and I did see the racket on on sale, but not my grip size unfortunately.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Appreciate the response and great to know, the 93P isn’t sold in Australia so I’d be buying from the US without testing, wouldn’t be the first time though.

I get the sense the industry has solved the vibration issues with different forms of graphite in the layup, so a foam core is no longer the only solution. It’s just going to have a different feel to it.

Yeah not sure I’ve actually played a foam core racket in decades. All I know is the 93p feels far more solid than any Head, Babolat or Wilson racket save the RF97. None of that tinniness that I feel in most tweeners.

I’m definitely a feel person. Greatest thing in sports for me are the “feel” moments. Snowboarding fresh powder, water skiing a crystal lake, flushing a persimmon wood drive on the screws, flowing through a single track in a dense forest.

So I’ll always gravitate to a racket that gives me that same kind of sensation when you hit a great shot. That’s the 93p. When I swing out and connect with a forehand that firm but buttery feel, “pow” off the racket, just feels perfect.

 

[TennisHound]

I'm gonna demo it again (for the umpteenth time), probably cause I keep going back to my 85" Wilson Graphite Matrix, which is so easy to play with. I just have to decide if I can play with it while I'm lazy and out of practice.

 

[mhkeuns]

I'm gonna demo it again (for the umpteenth time), probably cause I keep going back to my 85" Wilson Graphite Matrix, which is so easy to play with. I just have to decide if I can play with it while I'm lazy and out of practice.

If you’ve played with the Prestige MP’s and Textreme Tour 95’s, I’m pretty certain you will really like it. Just to make sure your demo is strung with thin poly at real low tensions. I’ve been hitting with the IG Prestige Mid for last couple outings, and I definitely feel that the 93P is much, much easier to hit and provides just as rewarding hitting experience and feel when hit perfectly. As easy as I thought the IG Prestige Mid swung, I think the 93P comes around quicker and easier.

Maybe you can also demo the 14x18. Don’t be put off by that pattern. It is the original graphite’s string pattern and obviously worked well for Prince.

 

[TennisHound]

If you’ve played with the Prestige MP’s and Textreme Tour 95’s, I’m pretty certain you will really like it. Just to make sure your demo is strung with thin poly at real low tensions. I’ve been hitting with the IG Prestige Mid for last couple outings, and I definitely feel that the 93P is much, much easier to hit and provides just as rewarding hitting experience and feel when hit perfectly. As easy as I thought the IG Prestige Mid swung, I think the 93P comes around quicker and easier.

Maybe you can also demo the 14x18. Don’t be put off by that pattern. It is the original graphite’s string pattern and obviously worked well for Prince.

Yep, I've demoed it probably 5 times. I will probably buy one just to have it. Turning 51 this year, I'm not sure if I can keep up with my hard hitting partner on rubico (like I can with the Speed 360 MP).

 

[mhkeuns]

Yep, I've demoed it probably 5 times. I will probably buy one just to have it. Turning 51 this year, I'm not sure if I can keep up with my hard hitting partner on rubico (like I can with the Speed 360 MP).

Lol. I’m turning 50 this year, so we are pretty much the same. In my opinion, if you have the attacking mindset, you will be fine using the 93P. I’m primarily a baseliner and love attacking from the baseline to get the short put away shots. If you are good at volleying, I’m sure you can even get more out of the frame.

 

[Framewinner]

Just wanna chime in since this thread convinced me to buy the 93p 14x18.

I played 3 hours of doubles yesterday w hyper g 17 @ 50lbs- it’s my favorite racquet I’ve ever played with.. I’m coming from an RF97 and sold all of them but one to pay for my 93p’s. I didn’t demo and just went with my gut based off the specs and reviews of the 18x20.

I am more comfortable with an open pattern and use spin to control my shots. I am a mid 4.5 all court player but am ok w grinding baseline until I get an opening to move in. That being said I still felt considerably more control with this frame than I do with the RF. Maybe because of headsize? Could be the strings too so I have yet to try hyper G in the fed (usually strung w luxilon alu rough 16l @ 52).

My volleys are much more crisp due to the 93p’s maneuverability, and the flex to me is just right. It feels like a pillow compared to the RF and my joints are thanking me. I would say I’ve lost a bit of power but I am also hitting more accurately and that gives me more confidence to hit out on the ball- so I’m hitting heavier more consistently rather than slamming winners as I used to w the RF.. I felt that both racquets are geared towards an all court game but volleys are much better for me w this frame so I end up being more effective at the net. Drop shots and touch volleys are way more fun, deep volleys are easier.
The RF definitely hits a heavier ball but for me the trade off for control, comfort, and maneuverability is worth the switch.. Serves are more controlled for sure, i hit big serves + big forehands and use a one handed bh.. I felt like I unlocked another level of accuracy with this frame. I gel with it pretty easily but am also a feel oriented player so that could also be a factor. Obviously different strokes for everyone but just wanted to share my experience. This racquet also looks killer w the green strings so there’s that too.

I have played tournaments in the past w mostly Wilson- the pro staff 85, ps95 blx, blade 93, pro staff 95s, and at one point the babolat pure aero.. I don’t play with multiple frames I like to stick to one and buy backups of it. I am definitely in the honeymoon phase so I’ll give it another week but that being said I thought the RF would be my last frame forever and yet here we are again with another switch lol.. I think this will be my last frame forever....?

I’m playing a singles tournament this weekend so will be spending the next few days of practice with it.. thank you guys for rolling this thread through the whole year and helping get this awesome frame in my hands!

 

[snr]

....I have played tournaments in the past w mostly Wilson- the pro staff 85, ps95 blx, blade 93, pro staff 95s, and at one point the babolat pure aero.. I don’t play with multiple frames I like to stick to one and buy backups of it. I am definitely in the honeymoon phase so I’ll give it another week but that being said I thought the RF would be my last frame forever and yet here we are again with another switch lol.. I think this will be my last frame forever....?

Just curious Framewinner, you played tournaments with the PS95 BLX? Stock? Or did you have to modify it a bunch? lol. Also, how come no mention of a RF97 in tournaments? or did you not get there yet?

 

[Framewinner]

Just curious Framewinner, you played tournaments with the PS95 BLX? Stock? Or did you have to modify it a bunch? lol. Also, how come no mention of a RF97 in tournaments? or did you not get there yet?

Hi snr, I didn’t get around to playing the RF97 in tourneys- i took a break for a while because weekends got busy but ive played it in leagues..
I noticed only about a month ago that they were all different weights (333g,335g,337g,339g unstrung), and my favorite one was the light one.. I would lose a game everytime i’d pop the strings and have to adjust to the different weight so that got me looking for other options.. my 93ps are exactly the same weight 326.5g

When I played w the six.one 95 blx I added weight to the hoop and a leather grip, I ended up trying to mess with it too much so I traded it..

Also I actually meant six.one 95s in my previous post not the ps95s. The one w the spin string pattern

 

[ej28405]

Been using the 93p for the last couple months and just started having a small to medium amount of pain in my hand over the last 2 weeks. Specifically the "V" in between my index finger and thumb when gripping the handle. Took about 5-6 days off, still there. Wonder if its just an overuse tendonitis type thing or if its because of the 93p being fairly handle heavy. Hurts mainly on continental grip (especially FH volleys and overheads), a bit less on forehands/backhands. Have never had this type of soreness or injury before. Curious if anyone else using the 93p has experienced anything similar.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Serves are more controlled for sure, i hit big serves + big forehands and use a one handed bh.. I felt like I unlocked another level of accuracy with this frame.

Played a mixed doubles shootout 3.0-4.0 this weekend. All three partners were impressed with my serving. I told them all that my pattern would be 4 consecutive first serves down the T followed by 2 out wide and if we hadn't won the service game by then I'd just go at backhands. Everyone one of them nodded in a perfunctory manner like, "who does he think he's kidding." Everyone one of them commented after the pro set, "I can't believe you served every serve where you said you would."

The 93P is surgical. Glad to hear the 14x18 retains those characteristics.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Been using the 93p for the last couple months and just started having a small to medium amount of pain in my hand over the last 2 weeks. Specifically the "V" in between my index finger and thumb when gripping the handle. Took about 5-6 days off, still there. Wonder if its just an overuse tendonitis type thing or if its because of the 93p being fairly handle heavy. Hurts mainly on continental grip (especially FH volleys and overheads), a bit less on forehands/backhands. Have never had this type of soreness or injury before. Curious if anyone else using the 93p has experienced anything similar.

I think its more the leather grip. Its pretty firm leather. I notice some occasional hand soreness if I've played for several hours that day. Never lasts though. I'd definitely consider swapping to a softer grip and overgrip.

 

[ej28405]

I think its more the leather grip. Its pretty firm leather. I notice some occasional hand soreness if I've played for several hours that day. Never lasts though. I'd definitely consider swapping to a softer grip and overgrip.

I took the leather grip off all my sticks. I was using the babolat skin feel by itself for a while but decided to throw on a wilson pro overgrip to help with any potential contributors to the pain. Have only had them on for a couple occasions. Too early to tell if that is the cause.

 

[jagsfantennis]

I bought one of these after demoing a few sets of racquets. It's a pretty awesome frame. It feels perfect in stock form. Only an overgrip on this one and you are good to go.

I grew up learning with a Prince tt rebel 95 and then went to a babalot nct tour during high school and college years. Most recently I weighted up a Volkl Organix VI MP to 11.7 oz., but it had some stability issues and the thick beam wasn't the greatest.

The 93p is pretty much the most weight I want to handle. It's butter at net with no instability. The head size is a minor adjustment for me, but it feels like a 97 honestly bc of the shape and sizeable sweet spot. Power is adequate due to weight and maneuverability. Feel is exceptional. Some racquets are enjoyable to play with and this is one of them. I will be buying more of them. I'm glad Prince has come around to making good frames again.

 

[haqq777]

I think I mentioned this in the early pages of this thread but I took off my leather grip and tried a few different variations with softer synthetic grips. Used thinner Kimony replacement grip as well as the super heavy spongy Wilson Shock Shield too and tried to get the best feedback. Ultimately reverted to original leather it came with. Nothing gives you that classic feel feedback and perfect balance you get from leather grip (+ OG in my case) it comes with. My $0.02

 

[tomato123]

Gonna be completely honest... when i first heard of the 14x18 phantom 93P I thought I'd be all over it the second it became available, but I still haven't gotten myself to pull the trigger. This is literally the resurrected POG mid from my high school days, but I've gotten so used to playing with the 18x20 and the surprising versatility that the racquet provides. Sure I can adjust to the 14x18 eventually, but really, if I have to adjust my strokes to account for the increased launch angle and spin potential of the 14x18 and learn how to flatten out my strokes when needed, isn't that the same thing as adjusting to the 18x20 and learning how to hit with more spin and launch angle, which I'm already doing? Same concept applied to any racquet I suppose, so might as well just stick with the original 93P since it's the best feeling racquet I've used.

 

[Tao69]

Gonna be completely honest... when i first heard of the 14x18 phantom 93P I thought I'd be all over it the second it became available, but I still haven't gotten myself to pull the trigger. This is literally the resurrected POG mid from my high school days, but I've gotten so used to playing with the 18x20 and the surprising versatility that the racquet provides. Sure I can adjust to the 14x18 eventually, but really, if I have to adjust my strokes to account for the increased launch angle and spin potential of the 14x18 and learn how to flatten out my strokes when needed, isn't that the same thing as adjusting to the 18x20 and learning how to hit with more spin and launch angle, which I'm already doing? Same concept applied to any racquet I suppose, so might as well just stick with the original 93P since it's the best feeling racquet I've used.

Sounds logical, though maybe you might also consider which racket supports your strengths the most and leaves you with the smallest weaknesses to work on. There’s no perfect racket, but choosing optimal equipment to suit you is probably the best outcome.

 

[roundiesee]

Guys, esp PP, its been about a year this thread started, are you guys still using the 93P? Thanks!

 

[bluebonsai]

Been using the 93p for the last couple months and just started having a small to medium amount of pain in my hand over the last 2 weeks. Specifically the "V" in between my index finger and thumb when gripping the handle. Took about 5-6 days off, still there. Wonder if its just an overuse tendonitis type thing or if its because of the 93p being fairly handle heavy. Hurts mainly on continental grip (especially FH volleys and overheads), a bit less on forehands/backhands. Have never had this type of soreness or injury before. Curious if anyone else using the 93p has experienced anything similar.

I’ve actually been dealing w the same issue. This is my first Prince and my thought is it has something to do w the handle shape. I find that I grip this stick a little tighter with my thumb and first finger than other sticks. Was thinking moving up a grip size from 4 3/8 to 4 1/2 might help.

 

[stephenclown]

Guys, esp PP, its been about a year this thread started, are you guys still using the 93P? Thanks!

I have had mine since May 10 last year and still use the 93P. I went in blind and then purchased 2 follow up frames that were matched and only really use the new ones. Probably will sell the first one to a mate or through the bay as it does not have the original leather anymore and different specs to my current ones in rotation. Have not found a frame since that can tempt me.

 

[TennisHound]

I’ve actually been dealing w the same issue. This is my first Prince and my thought is it has something to do w the handle shape. I find that I grip this stick a little tighter with my thumb and first finger than other sticks. Was thinking moving up a grip size from 4 3/8 to 4 1/2 might help.

This may sound crazy, but I had the same kind of pain. I saw a guy using a racquetball glove, and he said he wore it because it made his hand stop hurting. I bought one and used it and sure enough, my hand stopped hurting. Weird. I wore one off and on for about a year.

 

[Framewinner]

Sure I can adjust to the 14x18 eventually, but really, if I have to adjust my strokes to account for the increased launch angle and spin potential of the 14x18 and learn how to flatten out my strokes when needed, isn't that the same thing as adjusting to the 18x20 and learning how to hit with more spin and launch angle, which I'm already doing? Same concept applied to any racquet I suppose, so might as well just stick with the original 93P since it's the best feeling racquet I've used.

Definitely some issues getting used to the launch angle, it’s a bit scary hitting flat w this racquet I keep feeling it’s gonna hit the net. That’s really the biggest adjustment here especially with put away shots. Better to just go for it instead of hesitate. That angle translates nicely though w volleys and serves.

 

[Tao69]

This may sound crazy, but I had the same kind of pain. I saw a guy using a racquetball glove, and he said he wore it because it made his hand stop hurting. I bought one and used it and sure enough, my hand stopped hurting. Weird. I wore one off and on for about a year.

Yep, sounds crazy

 

[TennisHound]

Yep, sounds crazy

I know it does, and you can imagine the kind of jokes I got, having a glove on my right hand, lol.

 

[Tommy Haas]

I think its more the leather grip. Its pretty firm leather. I notice some occasional hand soreness if I've played for several hours that day. Never lasts though. I'd definitely consider swapping to a softer grip and overgrip.

I also get finger soreness sometimes. Perhaps it's the way my fingers wrap around the sharp bevels. The grip I use also isn't the tackiest, it's just thin to keep grip size build up, so essentially I'm playing with almost bare leather. I'm using VS Original. I'm so tempted to take it all off and use Wilson Shock Shield. I wonder if it will help with my GE. I've never had GE before. It was always TE, but lately I've gotten GE somehow. My OHBH is great with this stick. Usually it's a late BH causing it. Can a 2HBH cause GE? I practice it often so I won't lose it, but the one hander is my natural stroke. Somehow the 2HBH just seems really unnatural and awkward to me. Once one I even got TE on my left arm from hitting a two hander. I'm right handed.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Guys, esp PP, its been about a year this thread started, are you guys still using the 93P? Thanks!

Got the 93P in May with a POG107. Still had Phantom 100s. Fooled around with all of them over summer but in fall, basically went full time with 93P. Bought second one in January.

Been playing much better since committing to the one frame. Now feel I’ve got the nuances sorted out.

 

[atelic]

Above posters with hand issues: is it possible you are gripping the raqcuet too tightly? Are you definitely using the correct grip size?

I've been playing a lot with just the leather grip in order to ... uh... sweat all the grips to the same dark color. I have 4 93ps.

Yes, that would probably sound crazy anywhere but here. You guys get me.

No hand issues aside from some normal skin soreness that comes from leather on skin and hours of hitting.

 

[haqq777]

Guys, esp PP, its been about a year this thread started, are you guys still using the 93P? Thanks!

I am not. I was one of the earliest buyers of this stick when it came out. Even purchased my second one. See my post from earlier.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-tw-my-review-ama.612334/page-8#post-12146918

For higher level singles play mostly, and if your style is aggressive baseliner, there are better options. Love the 93P though. Stays in bag for leisure hitting from time to time.

 

[Kal-El 34]

I just got a few of the 18x20 93P I have really enjoyed hitting with these the last few weeks. Full bed of 17g Prince Vortex at 46lbs.

 

[Power Player]

Guys, esp PP, its been about a year this thread started, are you guys still using the 93P? Thanks!

Absolutely. It’s great competition down here and I deal with 4.0 to 5.0 players on a regular basis. The 93P is awesome for me since I can mix in heavy slice with my baseline style play. Plus I have the control to move the ball not only left and right but also deep and short. It is a non issue for me against better players, and I have my PA+s still waiting in case that ever changes.

Honestly, the biggest issue at the higher levels of play for me is not based on the racquet, but on my movement and fitness level. That makes a far bigger difference than a racquet. I believe in using the racquet you enjoy the most and play best with, and for me that has easily been this frame.

I have played a lot of tennis since I returned to it 10+ years ago, and if I had to advise myself on a gear search again, I would simply focus on my fitness and switch my strings to full poly at low tension. Just those 2 things will give you a huge advantage at about any level up to 5.5 or 6.0. The racquet is a much smaller factor to me now, so the criteria for me is - does it feel great and can I hit any shot I want with it? I still can’t find a shot I can’t hit with the 93P, in fact it is much more versatile for me than my PA+ (which is an amazing frame in it’s own right)

 

[Faris]

I am not. I was one of the earliest buyers of this stick when it came out. Even purchased my second one. See my post from earlier.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-tw-my-review-ama.612334/page-8#post-12146918

For higher level singles play mostly, and if your style is aggressive baseliner, there are better options. Love the 93P though. Stays in bag for leisure hitting from time to time.

Yep, right with you and agree with your point haqq. Being realistic you try to find whatever gives you the edge as well as enjoyment. You can spend time getting fit but how realistic is it to improve your conditioning if you are decently fit and not in your 20s? And more importantly just so that you can jive with your racquet? Lot of ask realistically speaking. Sure long term it is always good to have good movement and cleaner setup etc but that isn't going to win you matches today. I think it should be the other way around. Use what gives you pleasure AND gives you the edge. I've had college level fittest players you can find hit with it and say feels great and then back to there tweeners. I just don't think it is a good fit for baseline bashers at very high levels.

 

[sanister]

I am not. I was one of the earliest buyers of this stick when it came out. Even purchased my second one. See my post from earlier.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-tw-my-review-ama.612334/page-8#post-12146918

For higher level singles play mostly, and if your style is aggressive baseliner, there are better options. Love the 93P though. Stays in bag for leisure hitting from time to time.

Nice read and I can totally see your point. I'm going through the thread to catch up on things. What are your views on 93P compared to other mids in the market right now?

 

[aaron_h27]

Where are the 14x18 reviews?? haha

 

[haqq777]

Nice read and I can totally see your point. I'm going through the thread to catch up on things. What are your views on 93P compared to other mids in the market right now?

To be honest, I did not grow up on mids so I'm not exactly too fond of them like many others. In fact I played Div II college tennis (class of 2005) using Babolats (gulp, yes you read that right) when pretty much everyone else had the Hyper Pro Staffs or nSix one 95s and i-Prestiges (Safin, Kuerten & Ivanisievic Pjs I think).

Anyway, the only other more renowned mid I can think of besides 93P (currently in the market) is the Graphene Touch Prestige Mid. I playtested that for TW here:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-tour-mid-racquet.605651/page-6#post-11873946

It isn't a bad racquet in it's own right, as I explained in my review. But I think 93P is the better mid in the market right now. The feel and feedback is fantastic. You can play with strings and tensions to your liking without sacrificing control and comfort, and it is priced well.

 

[Boubi]

I am not. I was one of the earliest buyers of this stick when it came out. Even purchased my second one. See my post from earlier.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-tw-my-review-ama.612334/page-8#post-12146918

For higher level singles play mostly, and if your style is aggressive baseliner, there are better options. Love the 93P though. Stays in bag for leisure hitting from time to time.

Which better option do u see for higher level ?

 

[sanister]

To be honest, I did not grow up on mids so I'm not exactly too fond of them like many others. In fact I played Div II college tennis (class of 2005) using Babolats (gulp, yes you read that right) when pretty much everyone else had the Hyper Pro Staffs or nSix one 95s and i-Prestiges (Safin, Kuerten & Ivanisievic Pjs I think).

Anyway, the only other more renowned mid I can think of besides 93P (currently in the market) is the Graphene Touch Prestige Mid. I playtested that for TW here:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-tour-mid-racquet.605651/page-6#post-11873946

It isn't a bad racquet in it's own right, as I explained in my review. But I think 93P is the better mid in the market right now. The feel and feedback is fantastic. You can play with strings and tensions to your liking without sacrificing control and comfort, and it is priced well.

Thank you. That is a fantastic indepth review btw.

 

[haqq777]

Which better option do u see for higher level ?

There is a reason why college tennis is full of Blades, Radicals, Pure Drives and Pure Aeros - these are modern feeling, modern playing racquets with power on tap that don't require exquisite footwork all the time and help hit a big, heavier ball more easily on the run and from everywhere. Definitely not a knock on the 93P as I mentioned I like the racquet myself. And if you are more of an all-court player, it might work too. But high level college tennis is mostly about baseline grind with heavy topspin, not quite the 93P's forte.

 

[tennisgurl]

Where are the 14x18 reviews?? haha

I'm also fairly curious about that one. My significant other cant stop talking about Prince from past years that were "da bomb" that came with this string pattern. I offcourse have no idea tbh lol

 

[Power Player]

Yep, right with you and agree with your point haqq. Being realistic you try to find whatever gives you the edge as well as enjoyment. You can spend time getting fit but how realistic is it to improve your conditioning if you are decently fit and not in your 20s? And more importantly just so that you can jive with your racquet? Lot of ask realistically speaking. Sure long term it is always good to have good movement and cleaner setup etc but that isn't going to win you matches today. I think it should be the other way around. Use what gives you pleasure AND gives you the edge. I've had college level fittest players you can find hit with it and say feels great and then back to there tweeners. I just don't think it is a good fit for baseline bashers at very high levels.

How realistic is it to improve your conditioning if you are not in your 20s? I would say it is very realistic, and is rarely discussed in this forum since it’s not as sexy as the instant feeling of getting a new frame.

And I didn’t do it to jive with my racquet. That’s insane. The racquet just works for me. Fitness is far more of an advantage in tennis than a racquet is. At any age or level of play. Baselining is all about fitness anyway.

 

[Faris]

The only other more renowned mid I can think of besides 93P (currently in the market) is the Graphene Touch Prestige Mid.

Dont think there are any other mids in the market besides 93P and Prestige Mid, lol

 

[Faris]

How realistic is it to improve your conditioning if you are not in your 20s? I would say it is very realistic.

And I didn’t do it to jive with my racquet. That’s insane. The racquet just works for me. Fitness is far more of an advantage in tennis than a racquet is. At any age or level of play. Baselining is all about fitness anyway.

Dude, first off I was replying to @haqq777 earlier comment from page 8 of this thread where he mentioned that it helps to have something with more forgiveness since he is pretty fit already (I've seen him play), wasn't talking about you at all so stop being sensitive. And number 2, if you already play at a decent enough level it is harder to find motivation to further improve on conditioning, thats why I said it is not very realistic since not everyone is gung-ho about improving conditioning. You gotta stop taking things so personal.

 

[Power Player]

Dude, first off I was replying to @haqq777 earlier comment from page 8 of this thread where he mentioned that it helps to have something with more forgiveness since he is pretty fit already (I've seen him play), wasn't talking about you at all so stop being sensitive. And number 2, if you already play at a decent enough level it is harder to find motivation to further improve on conditioning, thats why I said it is not very realistic since not everyone is gung-ho about improving conditioning. You gotta stop taking things so personal.

Why do you keep saying I take it personally? You said it twice in one paragraph, which is incredibly passive aggressive.

You were clearly addressing what I said as well. Haqq did not mention fitness at all in the post you replied to - I did. I mean, that’s blantantly obvious if you scroll down from his post to mine. This is a 50 page thread, so referencing page 8 is not something anyone is going to do. I would hope you can see that.

I believe Haqq is fit. He tries a lot of gear out, plays tennis all the time and I have no problem with his opinion at all.

Your point #2 is simply not true at all for everyone. It’s ambiguous at best. What is a decent enough level? What will cost you a match more- mental and physical fatigue or a frame that has a 3 inch smaller sweetspot?

And yes, if you are not “gung ho” about conditioning that is fine. I simply said it will give you a bigger advantage on the tennis court than any racquet.