Throwing a football and serving

[LeeD]

Stats are always misleading.
When I was maybe 14, 9th grade, around 80lbs, 4'3", 84 exponents, I tossed a regulation football farther than 8 houses, each 25' wide, a real easy measurement.
When I was in 7th grade, much smaller, first softball throw EVER was 180'. Gym teacher didn't let me throw any more. Part of the President's Physical Fitness Test program in the early 60's.
Baseball throws always around 230' in 7th grade, the last year I tossed around with my older brother. 230 is an easy measurement, the shortblocks in my neighborhood were measured at 225, and the grass playground was parallel to it but with a 40' high fence, which I could easily throw over by 9th grade.

 

[Power Player]

^^^

No one cares but you.

 

[LeeD]

If you look back a page, you will find someone else cares too...:shock::shock:
I clearly remember trying out for baseball team, 8th grade, and retrieving a homerun ball hit over the centerfielder's head. My toss into the plate landed in the stands behind, and coach decide I could clearly not play left field adaquetely for his team. I was not one of the 9 named to come back the next day, and went to track team for longjumping.

 

[Power Player]

If you look back a page, you will find someone else cares too...:shock::shock:

He just called you out for BSing. Nobody cares what you think you did in 1965 but you. How do you not get this by now? lol.

 

[r2473]

Stats are always misleading.
When I was maybe 14, 9th grade, around 80lbs, 4'3", 84 exponents, I tossed a regulation football farther than 8 houses, each 25' wide, a real easy measurement.

I heard PPK is planning on measuring using "houses in LeeD's neighborhood" instead of something so misleading as a tape measure.

......and went to track team for longjumping.

Don't tell me.......you could easily jump in excess of 28' (as measured by the neighbor's house), but decided not to embarrass Beamon in 1968.

 

[LeeD]

Anyone with the slightest skills can find out the houses in SanFrancisco's SunsetDistrict are 25' wide, because the property is exactly 25', and the house butt each other. DUH, tough one to figure out....for YOU.
Er.... went to 8th grade around 62 or 3, and most meets, in the mid 17's. AllCity's, against PeltonJr.High's team, 21'4" or equal 8th overall. That was a foot less than the high school best for AAA.

 

[r2473]

^^I bet your grand kids love you.

 

[Power Player]

^^I bet your grand kids love you.

I doubt he has procreated.

 

[r2473]

I doubt he has procreated.

And not pass on those genes?

I bet his sons were 25 lbs. at birth......and could throw a football the length of 10 baby cribs.

 

[aphex]

Apart from his exceptional serving (easily in the 130s) and throwing abilities,

LeeD ran the marathon in 2 hours at 8 years old.
LeeD could dunk at 7 years old.
LeeD could lift 300lbs at 6 years old.
LeeD could jump 9 metres at 5 years old.

true story.

 

[LeeD]

Just because you guys were geeks in sports doesn't mean everyone on this forum was also.

 

[Power Player]

Just because you guys were geeks in sports doesn't mean everyone on this forum was also.

Was that an attempt at a personal attack? Because I played sports all my life and also at a collegiate level. In college I played lacrosse and I would love to line up your scrawny old a55 and crush you into next week with a body check.

The difference between everyone else and you is that we don't have to talk about ourselves in every post and brag about impossible feats to prop ourselves up. There are plenty of athletes here who would physically dominate you in all aspects but they don't feel the need to remind you of it day after day.

 

[papa]

Well. this might fall into "the older we get the better we were" category.

 

[Power Player]

Yeah. I just get sick of the guy spamming every post in this section with his feats of strength. It is unneccessary and pathetic. He already got owned by cl1ntrock once, and he keeps going at people anyway.

 

[r2473]

I used to throw 70+ yards as a little kid.
Now fully grown, barely 55 yards first try, no warmups.
But maybe a pitcher can serve pretty hard.
Maybe an 3rd or short can serve pretty hard.
Maybe a seasoned rockchucker can serve pretty hard.
But all need practice in the technique of serving a tennis ball.

Why not simply upload a video of you on a football field tossing the ball 55 yards. I'm sure when you are fully warmed-up it will be even further than 55 yards.

Also, why not upload a video of your serve......so we can see what a good, hard serve looks like.

 

[LeeD]

Yeah, the truth hurts you, don't it?
BTW, I'm 61 and 8 months. First throw, no warmup whatsoever, of a NFL football right around 50 yards. You know the math of declining physical strength after 30 years of age. Do the math.
First long jump, no warmup, right around 6'3". With some warmup, a bit better. Again, do the math.
Just because you are old and feeble, doesn't mean you fat guys are any good. And I never said I could take you out in 2 minutes if we fought. Chances are, you'd clean my clock. So what? You think being fat is everything in life?
If you gots no physical performance standards to live by, doesn't mean other people just lie about theirs.
I played HS football AND varsity basketball for all 3 of my years. Did you?

 

[Power Player]

Yeah. I did play Varsity football for 3 years. Wow..I am SO COOL!!!! I also weigh 170#s and my body fat % is under 15. As for feeble, I can lift twice my weight in squats, bench and deads. I am 100% sure you can not. Collegiate sports are so much more difficult than in high school that I feel sorry that you have to relive your meaningless childhood at such an advanced age.

So are you going to make a video like r2473 suggested or are you just going to troll over and over again like a loser?

 

[LeeD]

Yeah, you need a vid because you suck.
I don't need to ask too many questions, I usually just answer them.
I know I suck at tennis, that's why I only play about once a month during the summer.
Funny how we both can use the same racket, you fat, me skinny, and like the racket.
If you're so strong, why don't you take up weightlifting or rugby instead of a wimp sport like hitting fuzzy yellow balls?

 

[Power Player]

I need a vid because I suck? Lee are you on drugs again? This isn't ashbury park in the 60s you hippie. We want to see you throw the football and serve like a god. Let's see it. Don't be afraid to show us what you got.

Post a vid or shut up. Your little troll act is tiresome here.

 

[jdawgg]

Lee -- 60 year old internet gangster

 

[LeeD]

As usual, you guys don't know....
DougFlutie is a midget, maybe a true 5'8" and a half.
Anyone who knows sports knows you can't perform at higher levels when PRESSURE is applied, not while running away from 280lbs lineman and 235lbs linebackers looking to level you.
JamarcusRussell was RUMORED to toss 100 yards in the air.
JohnElway 80 yards from ONE step.
Most QB''s don't know how to throw far. Notice NONE of them became javelin throwers in the Olympics. A guy who tosses far, like a long distance golfer, is NOT the most accurate, he can only throw far.
A guy who serves huge fast serves is oftentimes NOT a good tennis player, at the pro levels, anyways. He's just a guy with good serving technique.
A guy who throws a baseball 110 mph is NOT a good pitcher, he only chucks it fast.
Don't allow your limited mind to limit your abilities.

 

[r2473]

A guy who throws a baseball 110 mph is NOT a good pitcher, he only chucks it fast.

No, that would be a good pitcher. I don't care if he is Charlie Sheen........

But anyway, you are basically saying that you could toss a football further than "the midget in the video" when you were 14?

And still pretty much toss it that far today?

I just want to be sure because presently, my limited mind is limiting my abilities.........well, mine and pretty much everyone's.

(It's pretty funny that you find your appropriate point of comparison to be PROFESSIONAL athletes)

 

[LeeD]

Dude, be serious.
50 yards is just 150 feet, or half the football field. MikeHolmgren was our varsity QB. When he tossed a missed deep pass, I'd retrieve the ball and toss it back to the huddle, after it bounced and rolled. CoachHolland yelled at me for 2 years, telling me to toss it to BruceRowen, our other left wideout, standing on the sidelines, and not to hit the huddle that was 12 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
I always took 5-7 running steps before releasing the ball, for my farther tosses. For returning Mike's errant deep passes, never needed to.
Just because you can't throw doesn't mean everyone can't throw.
I didn't considered QB because I was too small, and didn't relish the idea of being hit by 220lbs rushers, more than twice my weight. At least as a OLB, Defensive end, or weakside CB, I faced smaller guys who tried to avoid me rather than run into me.
And naturally, AAA dropped the javelin throw the year I became a 10th grader, so I stayed with VarsityBasketball.

 

[LeeD]

And how can throwing a baseball 110 mph make you a good pitcher?
A good pitcher has to get the ball over the plate within the strikezone at will.
He needs control and can take only ONE step off the mound.
RobertoClemente DID pitch one pro game, but his long throws were off 5 running steps. He was NOT a good pitcher, but could toss a baseball much farther than any pro pitcher.

 

[Power Player]

The longest throw ever in a QB challenge was 70 yards, yet Leed did that with ease at 14 years old. What a total beast. We should all feel blessed that such an incredible athlete that no one has ever heard has graced us with his presence here.

 

[r2473]

I didn't considered QB because I was too small, and didn't relish the idea of being hit by 220lbs rushers, more than twice my weight.

So, 220 lbs. was more than twice your size, but Flutie is not a good comparison for you because he was a shrimp?

But, that didn't stop you are from tossing upwards of 70-80 yards at the age of 14 (presumably weighing less than 110 lbs.). Coincidently, that is about the same as the standing PPK record. True, having the ability to pass the ball these distances at age 14 doesn't guarantee you success as a QB, but I find it amazing that you could have done it......and act so casual about it. Surely, nobody you knew could even approach you at you age.....unless you hung out with an internationally elite crowd at the age of 14.

But you didn't consider QB, basically, because "you didn't feel like it"?

And how can throwing a baseball 110 mph make you a good pitcher?

Because the fastest official pitch is still Nolan Ryan.....100.9 MPH. In 1974. Though there are "unofficial" claims of pitches reaching 107 MPH.

If you find a kid that can toss the ball 110 MPH, I guarantee someone will make a pitcher out of him.

 

[spacediver]

Because the fastest official pitch is still Nolan Ryan.....100.9 MPH.

I think this is wrong:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/fastest-pitcher-in-baseball.shtml

 

[larry10s]

what about 105mph chapman
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sh-redspadres092410

 

[aniretake]

I can serve but I can't throw a football...let's just say that.

Neither can I...

 

[r2473]

I think this is wrong:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/fastest-pitcher-in-baseball.shtml

All I was really saying is that it is not an official MLB baseball statistic, so the pitches listed are "unofficial" so to speak. Ryan's pitch is "official" only so far as it is recognized by "Guinness Book".

I said 107 MPH was the fastest "unofficial" (something I read someone had done in practice). Looks like 105 MPH is the fastest in a game.

 

[10ACE]

Yes, pitching would make sense also. They are all the same general motion and all have the same finish.

This could be a great way to explain to a crossover athlete how to serve. I know for me, it helps. I played baseball and football a lot as a kid.

So did I- however I think throwing a baseball is more similar- not every QB throws the ball like how you mean, IE Brady, Payton---Drew Brees not so much

I don't throw a football pronating my wrist thumb a lot on the ball- I pronate but when my palm faces the ground it then follows through to my side.

 

[LeeD]

You guys are really being stupid about the distance throwing thing.
Look at how a javelin thrower runs 11 steps full speed, plants, then throws.
That technique is much more efficient than standing on a mound and throwing with one step (pitcher), or a pro QB's ONE step throw.\
I already mentioned RobertoClemente's average 5 full steps before releasing the ball, which makes the ball go much farther than your stupid ONE step.
Another thing.... all QB throws are judged off ONE step. If any of them was allowed the 11 steps a javeling thrower was allowed, they'd throw into the 80-110 yard range.
If any pitcher was allowed even FIVE steps before release, they'd throw into the 110's and just beyond.
YOU GUYS ARE STUCK IN MUD BY YOUR OWN STUPIDITY with your limitations.
Of course I can throw close to the distance of the top pro QB's. They are allowed one step only, with the backfoot PLANTED!
I'm not and never claimed to be a QB, so I'm not limited by a planted back foot.

 

[papa]

Depending on how you might want to look at things, as tennis players we fortunately/unfortunately can only move each foot once during the serving process and must come to a temporary halt prior to the toss. So with the exception of the racquet drop and keeping the elbow up, the football example/warm up probably works fine. I'm always surprised, on the occasions I throw a football around, that I can't throw it very far.

 

[r2473]

Another thing.... all QB throws are judged off ONE step. If any of them was allowed the 11 steps a javeling thrower was allowed, they'd throw into the 80-110 yard range. If any pitcher was allowed even FIVE steps before release, they'd throw into the 110's and just beyond.YOU GUYS ARE STUCK IN MUD BY YOUR OWN STUPIDITY with your limitations. Of course I can throw close to the distance of the top pro QB's. They are allowed one step only, with the backfoot PLANTED! I'm not and never claimed to be a QB, so I'm not limited by a planted back foot.

I think you got us all beat. I couldn't come close no matter if I took 11 steps or 5 steps......not that I can really see how these extra 6 steps make that much difference.

Here is a video of "some guy in his 30's" trying (unsuccessfully) to throw the ball 60 yards. As expected, he doesn't take an 11 step running start (who the hell throws a football after an 11-step running start....try it sometime and see how you do). And as he says, 60-yards is a long way to heave a football:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47x6Qs9cJq8

It was an honor and a privilege to converse with a man of your talent. I was already impressed with your gymnast feats I learned about in a previous thread. I come away even more impressed after this exchange.

 

[Power Player]

It's not that LeedD won't prove his athletic feats by simply filming them, it is that WE are stupid.

Thanks to Lee for clearing that up.

 

[LeeD]

Thank you, you now realize the truth.
Not every 30 year old man can throw ANYTHING 60 yards.
I'll bet I can throw 60 yards, with some warmup and maybe 2 practice sessions, within one week of today.
If you need proof, why don't you come to Berkeley, or get Kiteboard, Yaz, or one of the local guys to verify?
If you're so stupid you don't know that running increases your body's forward speed, then you are too stupid to know ONE step does not accelerate your body forwards very much.
Guess what, you can run faster after 10 steps than you can run with your FIRST step.
Are you stupid?

 

[Power Player]

Yeah LeeD, I'll fly across the country to meet up with you and watch you do sports tricks and listen to you rant about how great you are. That sounds awesome.

Kiteboard said he has a camera and would film a match between you guys. So I guess you finally have the opportunity to show us what you got.

 

[LeeD]

Kiteboard should kick my butt 2 and 2, since I"m claiming a falling 4.0 while he's probably a solid 4.5. Remember, I don't hide the fact that I've grabbed a racket less than 4 times since June.
BTW, threw a semi flat NFL football today, 3 minutes ago, out front of CSC club. Actually warmed up with maybe 3 short 30 yard tosses, easy and loose.
Then proceeded to toss over 10 well over 50 yards, or 150' between our city installed light poles. We use that 150' distance to measure bowlines for our sailboats, as they come in a roll straight from the wholesaler's white work van. 150' does 8 sailboats worth of bowlines, and we have 12 Coronado's and one JY. That is a precise measurement, city of Berkeley installed, and checked both both CalAdventures, where I work, and Cal Sailing, next door.
Other guy was a 6' tall, 207 lbs lefty tennis player, about my level, a gymnastic's coach by trade. I could toss over his head any time with both of us standing aside a light pole.
Right handed, got to maybe 30 yards, but the flat, 4 lbs ball is hard to grip with my oft hand. Reg is 9 lbs.

 

[masterxfob]

dude, you guys can't throw a football 60 yards? i can do that sitting down with my off arm...

 

[LeeD]

Oh, I'm truly sorry you live on the EastCoast.
Here, all summer, 60-75 degrees, 70% of the time sunny.
Fall, hot spell at 80 degrees, sunny and calm, last 5 days.
Normal fall, 70-80 degrees.
Winter, sunny 4 days a week around 65 degrees, one to 3 rain and 60 degrees, one cloudy sometimes colder 55-65 degrees. Usually one day a week of rain, for a normal year.
"coldest I've ever been in winter was a summer in SanFrancisco"....

 

[LeeD]

As if we haven't beaten the dead horse to death yet.....
Using a contractors grade 25' tape measure, exactly 6, 25' lengths between the two lightpoles.
My first few warmup tosses were one step, just the forward foot moving, like a regulation QB's throw. All throws after that were between 3 to 6 forwards steps, the release point right at the lightpole. I have never tried being a QB, or a pitcher in baseball, even though I have a stronger arm than guys in either position in my schools. I have a scatter arm.
No, I did NOT try a QB's throw style, planted backfoot and only the forward foot allowed to move. I would suspect that if I were required to take only ONE forward step, back foot planted like NFL QB's, my best throwing distances would be somewhere under 45 yards.
As is, my longest toss, around 5 forward steps sideways to the target, easily 60 yards in the air.
That does NOT mean I can play QB!

 

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Pitching a baseball seems more similar but i can see similarities throwing a football. A big server can probably throw a baseball pretty fast..You obviously need a pretty strong arm also to throw a football far with a good spiral.

Those with weak serves usually come down to technique and poor motion.. You usually won't see a good serve motion with poor power. And if you do it's going to be a strenth issue.

 

[LeeD]

Technique and practice is everything, fast twitch muscles, explosiveness.
I"m 5'11", now a fat 148 ...nope, just weighed myself 9' away, 142 with dry swim trunks on.
Tossed football for checking distance maybe an hour ago. For me, strength is not the issue for long distance throwing. Technique and looseness of the shoulder IS. My shoulder is locked shut on my tosses, so it's all lower body trunk twist and leg explosion right now. If I had loose shoulders, I'd toss way farther.
But rotator problems and 61 years of age, am lucky enough to date a 40 year old.

 

[spacediver]

would it be possible to video tape yourself leed?

 

[LeeD]

Yes, loan me your camera and tell me how to use it, and how to punch the info into a computer which doesn't have a printer (the one I'm using), that is maybe 5 years old.
My cell phone is that old, doesn't do pictures, neither input or output. No, it's not mine.

 

[SuperDuy]

Im curious to see the video of your serve and your football throw, you should call up kiteboard soon man.

 

[Fed Kennedy]

this thread is incredible. we need a tt decathalon.

 

[LeeD]

Hey SuperDuy....
I thought you might be coming to Berkeley this fall.
Guess I was wrong, as usual.
Hope your game is going well.
I've touched a tennis racket maybe 5 times since around May.
On some Fridays, still hit the RoseGarden to play with the normal crew. Still the same, even with 2 minutes of hitting warmup after 3 weeks of no tennis. Once it's ingrained, ain't much that can go awry except for topspin backhand 1hbh return of serves, as my shoulder doesn't allow that movement without any warmup.
Serves, I play .."this one goes", none of that first in crap, NO warmup serves at all. Don't need warmup to hit 60 mph topspin second serves with good placement.

 

[Power Player]

Kiteboard has a video camera. We will get to see LeeD on video unless he is afraid he can not back up all his TT talk.

Remember, this is a guy who posted on a thread last week about a 4.5 college player and said that he could wipe the floor with him. He also said that player's serves were unimpressive and weak. So soon we shall see what LeeD has to offer.

 

[LeeD]

Well for sure anyone can wipe the floor with YOU.