swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Ummmm Rafa is Clay GOAT. When was he ever GOAT? Not sure confused.
To Nadal fans. It's time you admit it
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Daniel Johnson
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Daniel Johnson
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Smasher08
Legend
They're unloading on some very specific ones (Bullzillion Accounts Army, 60s Weed, sureshs, "Politburo", Jim, etc.) but in a way that makes them no different.
To be fair, the Fed haters have already been flame baiting and scorching the earth themselves.
The reality is that Fred could very well lose tomorrow since Chilli does have the game to do it, just like in 2014, and no one should ever regard tournament winners as faits-accomplis.
Karma happened to 60s Weed, proving that no fanbase should ever tempt it.
I predict that by 2019 Rafa will be 33 years old and likes of Thiem, and other young prime players will be winning RG and not Rafa.
Similar will happen to Djokovic, but I think he can still win a couple more slams if he comes back 100% fit and motivated.
Daniel Johnson
Rookie
You make a good point, but a lot of the time Rafa lost to guys other than Novak and Roger.
Murray x 2
Ferrer x 2
Tsonga
Gonzalez
Blake
Youzny
Post prime injured Hewitt
Brown
Darcis
Muller
Kyrgios
Rosol
Etc
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Sirius Black
Guest
Dan! Is that you?
Smasher08
Legend
How harsh was The Great Forfeit?
The chances for everything goes Nadal's way for the rest of the year is extremely remote.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Because you are a fan and not a fanATIC.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Again, that's in response to a troll post about "lucky RG win thanks to Soderling".
Mustard
Bionic Poster
At the 2004 and 2005 Australian Opens? In those years, that was peak Hewitt in terms of his level of play. Only the eventual champions beat him at the majors in those years.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
I think Federer's performance would be just as good on clay if it wasn't for Nadal. Besides, if Federer was winning the french open as much as the other slams then what exactly would Nadal's reputation be? LOL
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Exactly!
My bad was thinking it was 2006 he played him.
Still, loss to Fed's "weak era opponents" such as Gonzalez, Blake etc
Centre Court
Semi-Pro
I'm pretty confident federers 18 slams and Nadals decima will stand the test of time equally
metsman
G.O.A.T.
yeah 'weak era' and 'mug opponents' sure are stupid attacks. Guess who was using them first..
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Sampras' 14 majors seemed well out of reach around 2003. 2003 had 4 different major winners, one of whom was a 32 year old Agassi who won his 8th major. Ferrero, Federer and Roddick all won their first major. Sampras was well out in front. As for Borg's 6 French Opens and 49-2 win-loss record at that tournament, untouchable.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Hi Daniel,
the truth is that most (if not all) Federer fans use the argument about clay in relation to the surface skew, not to say that clay is not a legitimate surface. There is a difference.
On the other hand both Toni Nadal and Nadal himself has speculated about the quality of the grass as a legitimate surface (i.e. is not up to standard for the sport).
One should be precise when claiming things.
Sorry cant as its not factually correct. Nadal is greater at the moment even when Federer wins no19 tomorrow.
If Federer wins USO especially if he beats Nadal there then Federer would be Goat.
Because it is important when added to the fact that Nadal has won more than Federer since he primed. Nadal won 15 Majors In a far harder era as all of his came when two other ATGS were also around at peak.
That's the argument put forward by the likes of agassi and cash in Nadals favour.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Hi Jaelyn,
can you find one reputable source that agrees with you or you are deliberately peddling your own ignorant views?
Fox sports. Andre agassi. Pat cash. I think Serena Williams has said Nadal although I'm not 100 per cent.Hi Jaelyn,
can you find one reputable source that agrees with you or you are deliberately peddling your own ignorant views?
Why do you get so wound up by all this? Aren't you excited for tomorrow?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I will need a source for what you claim in your previous post.
I am excited, thanks for asking.
Centre Court
Semi-Pro
All theee are lying
Tennis_Hands
Banned
hipolymer
Hall of Fame
Engaging in fantasies all the time is unhealthy ya know
Van Der Skljo
Rookie
Rafa had RG wins against Roger and Novak. Who he had to beat there to be tougher ?
TennisATP
Professional
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Blake, Roddick, Gonzalez...
Van Der Skljo
Rookie
Yeah wins over 0 then 1 time RG champion hard court/grass specialists.
Roger had to beat likes of Roddick, Hewitt, Agassi, Safin, Djokovic etc on hard courts.
Same 2 guys who owned Rafa at AO and USO then Fed went on to win both tournaments and beat them... same Roddick who was a tough Wimbledon and USO player and had a lot of wins over Djokovic.
Van Der Skljo
Rookie
Please don't make me laugh so late in the night, if I get hiccups there's good chance I won't be sleeping well.
Rafa's RG competition is no stronger than Fed's grass/HC competition. Not to mention the paper thin 2010 Wimbledon and USO draws.
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Gazelle
G.O.A.T.
Important in what sense? In favour of what??
Also I'm pretty sure Federer and Nadal played in the same era. You don't get to play each other 40 times if you don't play in the same era. Not sure what why you're spouting that nonsense.
TennisATP
Professional
1.1) Rafa is the clay GOAT (more like clay God)
1.2) Federer is the grass/hardcourt GOAT
1.3) There's no such thing as being the GOAT everywhere
2.1) The advantage of Federer is that he has done special things on 2 surfaces and not only 1
2.2) Rafa's advantage is that what he did on that 1 surface is so spectacular that Federer couldn't duplicate it anywhere
3.1) Both have proven that they are all surface champions by winning every slam
Summary: To say that Federer is the GOAT and then say Nadal is only the clay GOAT is unfair... Until someone is GOAT on all 3 surfaces then there's no GOAT... What Nadal did on clay will never be duplicated so therefore there will never be a GOAT on all 3 surfaces... What we have is a clay GOAT (clay God) and a hardcourt/grass GOAT... There's no clay/hardcourt/grass GOAT...
Now everyone please hug each others and stop fighting...
1.2) Federer is the grass/hardcourt GOAT
1.3) There's no such thing as being the GOAT everywhere
2.1) The advantage of Federer is that he has done special things on 2 surfaces and not only 1
2.2) Rafa's advantage is that what he did on that 1 surface is so spectacular that Federer couldn't duplicate it anywhere
3.1) Both have proven that they are all surface champions by winning every slam
Summary: To say that Federer is the GOAT and then say Nadal is only the clay GOAT is unfair... Until someone is GOAT on all 3 surfaces then there's no GOAT... What Nadal did on clay will never be duplicated so therefore there will never be a GOAT on all 3 surfaces... What we have is a clay GOAT (clay God) and a hardcourt/grass GOAT... There's no clay/hardcourt/grass GOAT...
Now everyone please hug each others and stop fighting...
Nadal winning the USO.... Shirley you can't be serious.......
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
This decade, "Shirley" would properly describe Fed's performance at the USO.
Fed: one final
Nadal: two titles, one final(along with the North American sweep)
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
I wonder if she poasts on this forum, she's kinda cute.
I'll say this though: Federer is the greatest male singles player when factoring in, or including all surfaces. Nadal is the greatest male singles player on clay.
TenS_Ace
Professional
I'm a Nadal fan and I really don't give 2 sh!ts about who is the GOAT...another phenom will show up...Roger at this time in tennis GOAT...Nadal is just an epic-ally outstanding player <3 Nadal has won 10 championships on HIS turf,,Wake me up when Federer WINS 10 on his main TURF called Wimby
macattack
Professional
+1. Should have ended the thread after this post.
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