Toni Nadal: "Will ruin the spectable for Australian fans"

[Solo]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...l-unhappy-courts-plexicushion-australian-open

Complaints coming from Toni and Rafa about the plexicushion at the Australian stadium. This is getting to far now with these various complaints... not everything has to be tailor made for his precious nephew.

 

[maxpotapov]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...l-unhappy-courts-plexicushion-australian-open

Complaints coming from Toni and Rafa about the plexicushion at the Australian stadium. This is getting to far now with these various complaints... not everything has to be tailor made for his precious nephew.

"The spectators want a bit of rallying, a bit of tactics", said uncle Toni after they played for a bit less than 6 hours in 2012 final.

 

[swordtennis]

Ok I never make much of of this every year. But now I must chime in and ask what does he want? Tour De France type marathon matches. We know this is Nadal's forte endless stamina and grinding. But that is not conducive to his knees.
Weird and wacky stuff.

Edit: The show courts are the same and have not been sped up. I think Nadal might be trying to find something to use as a me vs them thing to motivate him or something. This is mental.

 

[NatF]

The court looks the same to me to be honest. But then I've only seen a few highlights of the tournament this year plus that Tsonga vs Federer exhibition. Coverage here starts at 12 am sadly.

 

[Bartelby]

Press conferences are beginning to resemble political lobbying, unfortunately, but I suppose that has an effect (possibly) and its useful for your interests to try.

 

[FreeBird]

The court looks the same to me to be honest. But then I've only seen a few highlights of the tournament this year plus that Tsonga vs Federer exhibition. Coverage here starts at 12 am sadly.

2012 was the slowest. Courts were faster slightly in 2013 as said by Federer . This time there is slight more speed increase. But since Rafa did not come in 2013, he looks it as sudden change in speed.

 

[La_Para]

The court looks the same to me to be honest. But then I've only seen a few highlights of the tournament this year plus that Tsonga vs Federer exhibition. Coverage here starts at 12 am sadly.

Yeah, the speed doesn't seem to me to be substantially faster than previous year. Anyone seen live matches so far? It would be interesting to compare to the previous year.

 

[tennisaddict]

The Nadal's are so determined to ruin the game of tennis.

 

[sureshs]

I don't think any of you play at a high level to understand these nuances.

 

[FreeBird]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...l-unhappy-courts-plexicushion-australian-open

Complaints coming from Toni and Rafa about the plexicushion at the Australian stadium. This is getting to far now with these various complaints... not everything has to be tailor made for his precious nephew.

Just ridiculous. They are indirectly threatening ATP and ITF by inciting people.

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

Lines painted, net's in place, umpire chair installed and ready for play. Put a sock in it Toni, you one-trick pony. Rafa's sono buoni and he doesn't need your baloney.

Just "play"



And on the other side of the ledger ..... vvv

The Nadal's are so determined to ruin the game of tennis.

 

[Solo]

"This year everything is a bit quicker, that's my feeling and also Rafa's. I don't know if it's because of the courts or the balls, which I think have been changed, but I don't think it's good for the spectacle,"

Seems to me that it's only affecting them for some reason and not the other players. And you can't base it on audience entertainment, that's just stupid.

The audience don't ask "What's the speed of the court like?" before buying a ticket.

 

[tennisaddict]

I don't think any of you play at a high level to understand these nuances.

The game should be liked by people who watch, not just by people who play at high level.

Nadal is turning tennis into a game of endurance and stamina with limited reward for talent and brilliance.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

Boy, does Toni like to exaggerate. That Messi example is a true gem. Its not like the AO is indoor carpet. Djokovic just picked up where he left of last year. He was sliding left and right and chasing down everything.

 

[sureshs]

The players who welcome the fast courts will be the ones to lose to Nadal LOL.

Nadal is just setting them up to look extra stupid.

 

[Solo]

The players who welcome the fast courts will be the ones to lose to Nadal LOL.

Nadal is just setting them up to look extra stupid.

Difference is, no one is saying "Oooo I like these fast courts, make them EXTRA faster please!" There is no complaints coming from anyone else. This is a tournament where you participate in to PLAY, if Toni wants slower courts he should make his own court just for Nadal then they both can play each other.

 

[rainingaces]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...l-unhappy-courts-plexicushion-australian-open

Complaints coming from Toni and Rafa about the plexicushion at the Australian stadium. This is getting to far now with these various complaints... not everything has to be tailor made for his precious nephew.

Player power. Tournament directors shouldn't give a **** what Nadal wants. He and Toni have a lot to do with it being as slow as it is.

 

[sureshs]

Difference is, no one is saying "Oooo I like these fast courts, make them EXTRA faster please!" There is no complaints coming from anyone else. This is a tournament where you participate in to PLAY, if Toni wants slower courts he should make his own court just for Nadal then they both can play each other.

Nadal was correct about the dangerous blue clay, and was the only one to stand up to Ion Tiriac. Tiriac lost, Nadal won - there is no more blue clay.

Lower level players who keep losing to Nadal obviously don't care about the surface, or the audience, because the audience is not going to be seeing them after the first couple of rounds LOL.

Nadal will be there till the end and has a much higher stake, for himself and for tennis.

 

[swordtennis]

I really do not know what they are arguing for or against. Same as with Team Nadal. This is a solution without a problem.
The AO show courts are tailor made for Nadal. There is no problem therefore no solution.

 

[tennis_pro]

No words can descripe the insolence of the Nadal camp. 90% of the courts go their way and they complain about the other 10%.

Nadal and his camp should thank their lucky stars that the surfaces aren't 90's fast anymore. Nadal wouldn't have a prayer on the majority of surfaces back then.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Toni Nadal = The best.

 

[Solo]

Nadal was correct about the dangerous blue clay, and was the only one to stand up to Ion Tiriac. Tiriac lost, Nadal won - there is no more blue clay.

Lower level players who keep losing to Nadal obviously don't care about the surface, or the audience, because the audience is not going to be seeing them after the first couple of rounds LOL.

Nadal will be there till the end and has a much higher stake, for himself and for tennis.

Courts shouldn't be tailor made for anyone no matter how "special" they are. Hence why it's called a tournament. And getting your uncle in to back up your claims doesn't make the situation any better.

 

[rainingaces]

Nadal was correct about the dangerous blue clay, and was the only one to stand up to Ion Tiriac. Tiriac lost, Nadal won - there is no more blue clay.

clay that nobody got injured from, problems are there to be fixed, truth is Nadal couldn't cope with it but Federer did.

Lower level players who keep losing to Nadal obviously don't care about the surface, or the audience, because the audience is not going to be seeing them after the first couple of rounds LOL. s

Where did you get that from? Out of your ***.

 

[FreeBird]

Nadal was correct about the dangerous blue clay, and was the only one to stand up to Ion Tiriac. Tiriac lost, Nadal won - there is no more blue clay.

Lower level players who keep losing to Nadal obviously don't care about the surface, or the audience, because the audience is not going to be seeing them after the first couple of rounds LOL.

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Wo..Wo..Woah..Blue clay was a completely different case. Players were dangerously sliding and slipping. This is about speed.

Nadal will be there till the end and has a much higher stake, for himself and for tennis.

Are you serious or trolling deliberately? :shock:

 

[sureshs]

Wo..Wo..Woah..Blue clay was a completely different case. Players were dangerously sliding and slipping. This is about speed.

LOL you should have seen the discussions here when that happened. Guys who had never hit a hard ball in their lives were going around saying the court was perfectly safe (once they heard Nadal's comments).

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

And besides Uncle Toni, they're not changing the courts.

Just "play" and we'll see how it all shakes out. Whether the courts are 'fast' or 'slow' favoring one player or another, it won't matter. Because here in TW-land, every one of the TOP players who don't win the tournament will be slammed by one fanboy faction anyway while the champion will get slammed for the courts favoring him---unfortunately it's a no-win situation for any on the players, no matter what happens......then again, the fanboy flame wars during the fortnight and post-tourney are entertaining : )

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

People saying there was nothing wrong with blue clay obviously have'nt watched the matches... everyone was slipping, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Berdych, etc... since i'm watching tennis in year 1999 never saw so many players slipping at every match.

 

[sureshs]

clay that nobody got injured from, problems are there to be fixed, truth is Nadal couldn't cope with it but Federer did.



Where did you get that from? Out of your ***.

Nobody got injured from blue clay because there were no more tournaments. Obviously you are the type who who observes a street for 5 minutes and concludes that no automobile accidents can happen.

Thinking people adopt safety measures before there is an accident.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

I watched a couple of matches today and I don't see what's wrong at all with the surface, it is not that fast. I don't know why these Nadals complain.

 

[sureshs]

People saying there was nothing wrong with blue clay obviously have'nt watched the matches... everyone was slipping, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro, Berdych, etc... since i'm watching tennis in year 1999 never saw so many players slipping at every match.

Don't tell that to the Nadal haters here - they see what they want to see.

 

[TMF]

2012 was the slowest. Courts were faster slightly in 2013 as said by Federer . This time there is slight more speed increase. But since Rafa did not come in 2013, he looks it as sudden change in speed.

I don't see why Nadal and his camp need to complain even if the court is a little faster. It's still slower than the USO which he just won.

 

[Solo]

I watched a couple of matches today and I don't see what's wrong at all with the surface, it is not that fast. I don't know why these Nadals complain.

Looks like a quick gateway card to me.

Either way it doesn't set a good example. This can make young players think that they should play in courts which only suit them and not play in other courts, if everyone was to follow Toni and Rafa's logic these days.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

I don't see why Nadal and his camp need to complain even if the court is a little faster. It's still slower than the USO which he just won.

i dont think its slower than the US open

 

[sureshs]

I don't see why Nadal and his camp need to complain even if the court is a little faster. It's still slower than the USO which he just won.

Nadal can win on any surface - that is not the point. He is concerned about spectator interest. He has said in the past how fast surfaces and serve and volley tennis was boring - that was actually true, and caused the slowing down of surfaces.

A similar thing happened in table tennis, when the ball was made bigger from 38 to 40 mm because spectators started losing interest in the increasing levels of speed and spin.

 

[swordtennis]

Maybe the sliced and flat hit shots are sticking and biting a bit lower. That is all I am really seeing right now on the show courts that could be even considered "faster".

 

[Solo]

Nadal can win on any surface - that is not the point. He is concerned about spectator interest. He has said in the past how fast surfaces and serve and volley tennis was boring - that was actually true, and caused the slowing down of surfaces.

A similar thing happened in table tennis, when the ball was made bigger from 38 to 40 mm because spectators started losing interest in the increasing levels of speed and spin.

As I said, spectators don't ask what the condition of a court is like before buying a ticket. Dude, are you that stupid? Or is this normal for you?

 

[KillerServe]

These two posts effectively contradict one another.

I don't think any of you play at a high level to understand these nuances.

The players who welcome the fast courts will be the ones to lose to Nadal LOL.

Nadal is just setting them up to look extra stupid.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Nadal can win on any surface - that is not the point. He is concerned about spectator interest. He has said in the past how fast surfaces and serve and volley tennis was boring - that was actually true, and caused the slowing down of surfaces.

Do you really think the Nadals complain about the surface because it would not suit spectators tastes ? LOL

 

[Chanwan]

Ok I never make much of of this every year. But now I must chime in and ask what does he want? Tour De France type marathon matches. We know this is Nadal's forte endless stamina and grinding. But that is not conducive to his knees.
Weird and wacky stuff.

Edit: The show courts are the same and have not been sped up. I think Nadal might be trying to find something to use as a me vs them thing to motivate him or something. This is mental.

Meaning Rod Laver, Margaret court and Grand Stand (if that's what it is called)?

 

[Rozroz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9P2jjSemc

fast as hell!!!!!

seriously, maybe a tad faster.

 

[cc0509]

i dont think its slower than the US open

Yes it is!

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Yes it is!

from the few matches i have watched it didn't look at all

 

[cc0509]

Do you really think the Nadals complain about the surface because it would not suit spectators tastes ? LOL

LOL, true! That is a good one!

 

[cknobman]

As a spectator this makes me more interested and likely to watch.

Slow courts with 6 hour matches get boring and I don't have that much time to sit there and watch.

Hopefully the faster courts will help keep matches <= 4 hours.

And for those who claim "tactics" are more important with slow courts I call 100% bs.
Slow courts (when slowed too much) mean its harder to win a point because the court is so slow even angled shots kick up allowing players to run them down, drop shots hold up longer allowing players to run up to them.
Slow courts just amount to who will get tired first.

THAT IS BORING

Fast courts actually do help tactics. Allows for more serve and volley, punishes weak shot by providing players a better chance at putting the ball away.
Hitting a freaking moonshot is simple when you know the court is slow enough to allow you to run down a players reply. When the courts are faster you think twice before throwing up some trash because its easier to blast a winner off of it.

 

[cc0509]

from the few matches i have watched it didn't look at all

To me it looks slower than the USO. In any case, what does it really matter. Nadal won Cincy and the USO this year which are both known to be faster than the AO. When Nadal is in the groove he is hard to beat no matter the surface. Djokovic probably has the slight advantage at this tournament but only slight imo.

 

[Chanwan]

I don't think any of you play at a high level to understand these nuances.

But you do? And what's there to understand? It's not rocket science.
We've all seen different court speed throughout the year on different courts. I personally find it hard to tell if this year is different than last year because
a) I've seen a whole lot of tennis in between and
b) I'm not live, which makes a hell of a difference.

And judging from the players comments so far, they apparently find it hard to tell whether there's a difference or not as well (Murray: Everything is the same. Rafa: I've never seen anything like it in Aus. Fed: It's ever so slightly faster than last year, but slower than Brisbane. Etc.).

 

[Backspin1183]

The courts looked fast to me. Haven't seen courts that fast at AO before.

It seems to me that Nadal came here expecting the kind of courts he's always played on at Melbourne Park. Well, he's had a week or so of time to prepare for the new conditions, so he should do fine anyway.
The courts look similar to Montreal. Nadal was brilliant in Montreal. He's gonna have to play at that level again if he wants to lift his second AO title.

 

[TMF]

i dont think its slower than the US open

Yes it is.

 

[Chanwan]

Nadal was correct about the dangerous blue clay, and was the only one to stand up to Ion Tiriac. Tiriac lost, Nadal won - there is no more blue clay.

MC had more serious injuries that year than Madrid... - and as Freebird pointed out, this time, it's only about speed.

 

[Chanwan]

I watched a couple of matches today and I don't see what's wrong at all with the surface, it is not that fast. I don't know why these Nadals complain.

As far as I can tell, it's seem very similar to last year. But it's hard to tell from a screen with so many tennis matches in the interim.

Nevertheless, it's completely possible to play the way Nadal, Djoko and Murray do on these courts.