Tsitsipas Racket
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haqq777
Legend
New Blade PJ, same as Khachanov.
Blash or Clade PJ?
Haasquet
Rookie
If we're voting for one of these two options to replace 'Blade', I'm voting for Blash.
"Stop trying to make Blash happen. It's not gonna happen."
Eff that... it's happening. I kind of like the Blash pj, but it probably looks much nicer in the gloss than what will eventually hit the market...
Good stuff. From here on when the next two lines get refreshed:
- Ultrash or Clultra?
- Pro Stash or Clo Staff?
WalterSlovotsky
New User
Blash, Ultrash and Pro Stash are much better than the alternatives.
'Cl' is just too.. well.. Clumsy.
(sorry).
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
SeeItHitIt
Professional
The faster you swing it the softer the string ‘seems’!
NuBas
Legend
haqq777
Legend
Yep!
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
so much for sporting the custom greek paintjob for long.. wilson is paintjob decisions almost as bad as their quality control. don't even get me started on the zebra PJs.
NuBas
Legend
Yeah, I thought he would be able to stick with that for good.
Mike Lambresi
Rookie
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Mike Lambresi
Rookie
Ah I see. I went back and clicked on the link and read the article. This picture is from the there.
So the link basically says he has:
Unstrung swingweight of 308
Strung swingweight of 343
In my 97 sq. inch 18x20 racquet, adding 17 gauge poly strings adds roughly 30-31 points and 16.5g to 17g weight. But Tsitsipas uses 16L gauge (Luxilon 4G) strings in his 98 sq inch 18x20 (18.4 grams). That is a heavier poly even in thinner gauges, in my experience. After stringing up, I am sure 35 point swingweight difference is not out of the realm of possibility here, no?
If the full bed of 4G weights as you said 18.4, it makes sense the SW would fall around 340.
Here's the calculations.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
57LBS! Christ, that seems insane.
Yeah, i have thought the same. Must feel crazy boardy to us normals
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
I wonder if he was just experimenting that tournament. Because on twitter he’s stated his tension is 55/52lbs (25/24kgs).
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Mike Lambresi
Rookie
I wouldn't be surprised if he had raised his tension, as he's been hitting harder these days.
Federer uses higher tension than that but he uses gut as well and an open pattern.
But 57lbs on a 18x20, in a control racquet like the Blade and especially with a full bed of a stiff poly like 4G, must be like hitting a frying pan.
Pretty crazy how much spin he can still generate with this setup.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Could have been the location too. I know they raise/lower tension based on location or else elevation.
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Mike Lambresi
Rookie
Temperature is a big factor as well, and so is the speed of the court.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
Maybe he uses. 4g soft?
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
I know. Just thinking about 4G at 57 makes my elbow throb with extreme pain.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Alexh22
Professional
Thanks for the info. His racquet doesn’t look like a h22.
its not that hard to generate spin at high tensions and a 18x20. My Coach is telling me to hit with less spin. Its an old wives tail or bad technique
netlets
Professional
Bad technique and hitting with more or less spin are two different things. To say hitting with too much spin is wrong is simply not true. I’m a certified coach and each player is different and use different grips, etc. Your coach should not be making statements like that - makes me wonder about his qualifications. Also depends on where you are on the court and what ball has been hit to you.
D1 player and he was right I was ripping everything with massive spin and low so it was diving into the service box. He said change up shot choices, because I hit with so much spin it would be better to change the profile and spin to keep the opponent off balance. My point isn’t to get into a coaching argument.
my point is saying tension and string spacing means no spin or way less is just wrong. It’s fairly easy to rip a shot 8-14 inches over the cord have it land just in the baseline then it kick 5 ft and the only thing stopping it from going higher is the fence. All with a 18x20 at 57/59 tension poly /gut setup
my point is saying tension and string spacing means no spin or way less is just wrong. It’s fairly easy to rip a shot 8-14 inches over the cord have it land just in the baseline then it kick 5 ft and the only thing stopping it from going higher is the fence. All with a 18x20 at 57/59 tension poly /gut setup
Mike Lambresi
Rookie
Congratulations on your monstrous spin.
You're missing the point. Tsisipas has some of the biggest spinning rates stats, around 40's on the backhand and 50's on the forehand. The fact that his racquet and setup is not the most spin friendly only makes his topspin rates more impressive.
I'm not saying it's impossible to generate spin at all, I'm saying open patterns, looser tensions and head light sticks are much easier to generate high spin rates, and his Blade is the opposite of that. Switching between my PS97 and my 18x20 Blade the spin difference is very substantial.
Also, if your balls are falling short on the court it doesn't mean you're hitting with "too much spin", it only means either you're not hitting hard/deep enough or maybe you should aim higher.
If that was the case Nadal's forehands wouldn't reach the net.
no You don’t get it do you. I was hitting too low and with too much spin. The point is you can hit with tons of spin and use an 18x20 and be a club player. But you are a coach therefore know it all
edit: of course it will be easier. Even easier with a 135 so why don’t your switch to that? I love people with 50 different sticks then acting like they know how the pros do it. No you are just a stat monkey that things you are a subject matter expert because you bought something and wrote a review
only a total fool would say 16x19 means tons more spin the playsite testing proves that wrong. The angle is lower but the rpm is the same or higher. but you go coach. You do you. You keep telling BS like so many coaches do. But before you look more like a fool call Tw and ask them about the spin tests I love watching people walk into these arguments completely clueless.
I think some 9 year olds wanna bang some balls around why don’t you stick to that
edit: of course it will be easier. Even easier with a 135 so why don’t your switch to that? I love people with 50 different sticks then acting like they know how the pros do it. No you are just a stat monkey that things you are a subject matter expert because you bought something and wrote a review
only a total fool would say 16x19 means tons more spin the playsite testing proves that wrong. The angle is lower but the rpm is the same or higher. but you go coach. You do you. You keep telling BS like so many coaches do. But before you look more like a fool call Tw and ask them about the spin tests I love watching people walk into these arguments completely clueless.
I think some 9 year olds wanna bang some balls around why don’t you stick to that
I think there's a difference to be considered between (even high-end) rec players and top pros - for most guys at that they're so dialed in technically/in terms of feel that the higher 'potential' of a more open frame just won't mesh with the feel/angle/etc... they're looking for off the stringbed. Obviously some players change patterns but there's a reason most don't.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
Biggest factors are swing path and RHS, not string pattern or tension. [emoji56]
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polksio
Semi-Pro
I believe "unstrung" here really means "from the factory" so you gotta add string and lead
gutfeeling
Hall of Fame
He uses a 2013 18x20 blade that weighs 320 grams (including overgrip) prior to stringing. Message me if you are interested in a 2013 blade.
gutfeeling
Hall of Fame
He does not use the 2015. His racquet does not have parallel drilling.
Alexh22
Professional
Care to elaborate on this ? Wilson gave him pj before he turned pro?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Why wouldn't they?
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Some dude from his hometown club said he was using 2013, based on how he worded it, it seemed legit. Plus, there are photos of him using the 2013 blade.
Alexh22
Professional
I did also notice that post. Hard to believe he uses the ampfeel stuff in the handle.
more importantly look at the pics here . are you guys sure these are not parallel drilling ? ?!?!?
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FourOutOfFive
Rookie
Why is it hard to believe he uses a racquet with amplifeel? Also that racquet in the pics doesn’t have parallel drilling.
At this point it’s fairly obvious he uses a 2013 Blade. Until someone on here gets one of his frames or he makes an obvious switch I don’t think there’s much potential for further discussion.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Dumb question: how can one easily spot parallel drilling vs non-parallel drilling? I know the new V7 has it but from a quick glance couldn't tell. Grommets?
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Right, the top eight grommets go in straight down. They don't tilt with the hoop. Started with the 15 version. Supposed to reduce friction a little.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Hmm, not seeing it. Perhaps I just need to hold two of them side by side.
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Look at the 4th top grommet and compare it to the 5th. Notice anything?
polksio
Semi-Pro
Cuz it gives me swingweight and thus more spin. Or it's because of the name cyclone that makes the ball spin faster.
gutfeeling
Hall of Fame
The spacing of the center crosses on the 2015, v6, and v7 18x20 blades is also different. The non-parallel has slightly more spacing.
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Right, the top mount on a stringer can be slightly more snug with the parallel.
