Uncle Toni admits Rafael Nadal's US Open win is not special after avoiding Roger Federer, Novak Djok

false equivalency and false context at it's finest. No matter how one tries to spin it, Nadal won the US Open and he could only play one opponent at a time and had no control over who that would be. ENd of Story. No battles Needed. Nothing to Prove for either Fed or Nadal.

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Ok then. Haters desperately clinging to their own mental delusions of bitterness.

"No different than the other times when he won tournament of the Grand Slam."
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Uncle Toni admits Rafael Nadal's US Open win is not special after avoiding Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic and Andy.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/12/uncle...derer-novak-djokovic-and-andy-murray-6922810/

Have you read Nadal's biography?

This is Toni's tactic to keep Rafa motivated and hungry. Toni has always been stingy with his praise towards Rafa because he doesn't want him to get big headed and complacent. By playing down this hardcourt slam win, Toni is almost telling Rafa to go out and prove him wrong by winning another hardcourt slam with the big boys all in the field. And Rafa will probably do it.

Toni says stuff like this because he knows it'll push Rafa to break Federer's slam record. So I wouldn't get too excited by Uncle Toni's famous reverse-psychological warfare. Everybody knows what he's doing by now.
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
No matter how one tries to spin it, Nadal won the US Open and he could only play one opponent at a time and had no control over who that would be.
Now you are saying this. What happened when countless idiots talking up so called the weak era in Fed's prime?

Are you sure you were not one of them?
 

every7

Hall of Fame
false equivalency and false context at it's finest. No matter how one tries to spin it, Nadal won the US Open and he could only play one opponent at a time and had no control over who that would be. ENd of Story. No battles Needed. Nothing to Prove for either Fed or Nadal.

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Troll extinguishment, @TahoeTennis style :cool:
 
Unique relationship there. Tio Toni has earned a practical and an honorary PhD in keeping phenoms humble and hungry.

If Toni Nadal had exerted the same degree of coaching and avuncular influence over:

Mac, would he have suffered the lost Tatum years?

Boris, would he have kept it in his pants at Nobu?

Mats, would he have stayed motivated to win more than seven slams?
 
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marc45

G.O.A.T.
Ha ha Toni has always been blunt and honest. Sometimes a bit too much actually ;)

read the full article, he actually contradicts himself wildly in directions that would make people love/hate him

one one hand the win against the journeyman Anderson was no different than any othergrand slam, so no more difficult or unusual for Rafa than beating Fed or Novak

but then again it was different because he didn't have to face one of the Big 4/5

one thought?..the usual Toni approach of not allowing Nadal to think he's special kicking in again? :)

surprised he didn't make Rafa sweep the court of debris after everyone left :)

seriously, probably is good at this point if Rafa doesn't have to hear it anymore even as effective as it's been
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
read the full article, he actually contradicts himself wildly in directions that would make people love/hate him

one one hand the win against the journeyman Anderson was no different than any othergrand slam, so no more difficult or unusual for Rafa than beating Fed or Novak

but then again it was different because he didn't have to face one of the Big 4/5

one thought?..the usual Toni approach of not allowing Nadal to think he's special kicking in again? :)

surprised he didn't make Rafa sweep the court of debris after everyone left :)

seriously, probably is good at this point if Rafa doesn't have to hear it anymore even as effective as it's been
Forget about not playing a big 4. He didn't have to play a big 27! which is really unusual (actually unique) for a slam. I'm sure Rafa knows he cannot count on that repeating often regardless of what Toni says in interviews. Rafa is very lucid and I still think hard court is a very difficult surface for him in general but he's a hard worker and he never gives up. That's why he's still here and still winning.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Have you read Nadal's biography?

This is Toni's tactic to keep Rafa motivated and hungry. Toni has always been stingy with his praise towards Rafa because he doesn't want him to get big headed and complacent. By playing down this hardcourt slam win, Toni is almost telling Rafa to go out and prove him wrong by winning another hardcourt slam with the big boys all in the field. And Rafa will probably do it.

Toni says stuff like this because he knows it'll push Rafa to break Federer's slam record. So I wouldn't get too excited by Uncle Toni's famous reverse-psychological warfare. Everybody knows what he's doing by now.
Don't you think Nadal is old enough and wise enough by now to fully understand that Uncle Toni is full of you know what? :rolleyes:
Nadal doesn't need Toni's praise or ridicule at this point. That nonsensical garbage about downplaying Nadal's achievements isn't going to work at this point. Nadal's an adult in his 30s. Not a teenager. Go home Toni! You're fired!:D
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
read the full article, he actually contradicts himself wildly in directions that would make people love/hate him

one one hand the win against the journeyman Anderson was no different than any othergrand slam, so no more difficult or unusual for Rafa than beating Fed or Novak

but then again it was different because he didn't have to face one of the Big 4/5

one thought?..the usual Toni approach of not allowing Nadal to think he's special kicking in again? :)

surprised he didn't make Rafa sweep the court of debris after everyone left :)

seriously, probably is good at this point if Rafa doesn't have to hear it anymore even as effective as it's been
Nadal isn't going to do anything that Toni wants him to do. He doesn't have to. Toni is passe. It's Moya that is doing the real work.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Don't you think Nadal is old enough and wise enough by now to fully understand that Uncle Toni is full of you know what? :rolleyes:
Nadal doesn't need Toni's praise or ridicule at this point. That nonsensical garbage about downplaying Nadal's achievements isn't going to work at this point. Nadal's an adult in his 30s. Not a teenager. Go home Toni! You're fired!:D

Nadal isn't going to do anything that Toni wants him to do. He doesn't have to. Toni is passe. It's Moya that is doing the real work.

Never underestimate the hold Toni still has over Rafa...even now. Remember it was Toni's decision to officially retire as his nephew's coach (in stark contrast to how most coaching relationships come to an end). Even from as far away as Majorca, Toni will no doubt remain a constant presence in Rafa's life and career!
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
Have you read Nadal's biography?

This is Toni's tactic to keep Rafa motivated and hungry. Toni has always been stingy with his praise towards Rafa because he doesn't want him to get big headed and complacent. By playing down this hardcourt slam win, Toni is almost telling Rafa to go out and prove him wrong by winning another hardcourt slam with the big boys all in the field. And Rafa will probably do it.

Toni says stuff like this because he knows it'll push Rafa to break Federer's slam record. So I wouldn't get too excited by Uncle Toni's famous reverse-psychological warfare. Everybody knows what he's doing by now.

The two things Uncle Tony wants for Nadal:

1) At least one more AO, so that he can say Rafa has matched Laver in winning all GS twice.

2) Given (1), at least tie the Federer GS title countp
 
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Deleted member 744633

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Djoko won like 8 really easy slams so it's fine Rafa.

I take it you're writing this in jest? I can't think of any player in history besides Djokovic who has had to contend with 2 players universally regarded as the finest players this game has ever seen to win almost very one of his slams. If anyone had it tough, it was Djokovic, so please stop being unreasonable.
 
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Deleted member 744633

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Many Federer fans played down Djokovic's achievements by claiming it was a weak era. I disagreed then and I disagree now. Every slam is earned, so congrats to Federer/Nadal and their fans for their players achievements this year. Enjoy it while it lasts because when Djokovic comes back, it could be very different :)
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Nadal isn't going to do anything that Toni wants him to do. He doesn't have to. Toni is passe. It's Moya that is doing the real work.

How can anyone criticize Toni, who is far and away the GOAT coach with 16 majors for his pupil? Toni is now passé?
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Let's see Moya coach anyone to 16 slams.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
How can anyone criticize Toni, who is far and away the GOAT coach with 16 majors for his pupil? Toni is now passé?
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Let's see Moya coach anyone to 16 slams.

Be fair. Moya only joined at the start of this year and has already taken Rafa to 2 Slams. That's an excellent result for his first year as coach by any standards. To take someone to 16 Slams he would no doubt have to start coaching some promising young kid and stay with him for all of his career but that would be a far tougher job if he didn't have a close family bond with such a kid like Toni had with Rafa.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Well then one of those guys should've won his matches and the other two should've showed up. Not nadals fault
First of all, I agree with your sentiment. It is ultimately sensible to remove subjective evaluation of the draw strength when totting up the slam wins.

However, I often see people reference that it's not the player at hand's fault in their ripostes. Who cares? The fact that it isn't his fault doesn't really say much about the value of the win. It wouldn't be his fault if there was a ridiculous rule change that said Rafa is the winner by default because of his hugely aggressive return position, but you bet your bananas that'd devalue it.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
How can anyone criticize Toni, who is far and away the GOAT coach with 16 majors for his pupil? Toni is now passé?
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Let's see Moya coach anyone to 16 slams.

Moya will never be as successful as Toni was overall but what if Moya can somehow help Nadal find the game and motivation to win three more slams? Won't he be seen as successful then given Nadal's age/mileage, etc?
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
I guess the thinking here is that a slam is a slam. You still get paid, and a trophy and your name listed as a champion for all of history. You also still had to win 7 matches (assuming no walkovers) against professional level players.
 

peakin11mugs

Semi-Pro
false equivalency and false context at it's finest. No matter how one tries to spin it, Nadal won the US Open and he could only play one opponent at a time and had no control over who that would be. ENd of Story. No battles Needed. Nothing to Prove for either Fed or Nadal.

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No one is arguing that it is nadals fault. That's absurd how could it be. They're saying he won against a not only a weak field but a bunch of mugs. Some nadal fanboys say Feds slams against multiple slam champions e.g. Safin and Hewitt were weak players. If that is the case then by that logic nadals draw is not just weak or mugs but complete nobodies. Objectively Anderson is the lowest rank US open finalist of all time

I am if the opinion that nadals win obviously counts. It's a slam. The context behind it is he beat completes mugs but he won it at the end of the day
 

Adv. Edberg

Legend
I take it you're writing this in jest? I can't think of any player in history besides Djokovic who has had to contend with 2 players universally regarded as the finest players this game has ever seen to win almost very one of his slams. If anyone had it tough, it was Djokovic, so please stop being unreasonable.

Lol? Most of the time Fedal have been many years post prime. Unless you agree with the 'experts' who say Fedal is peaking now.

You can pick any slam winner from the 80s and first half of the 90s who had it much more difficult than Djoko. Look what kind of competition Lendl had through out his career for example.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
How can anyone criticize Toni, who is far and away the GOAT coach with 16 majors for his pupil? Toni is now passé?
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Let's see Moya coach anyone to 16 slams.
Not criticizing Toni as a coach. I'm criticizing Toni for criticizing Nadal. Anyone who tells his pupil that he only won the USO because he had an easy draw is a whacko. Especially when his pupil is in his 30s and no longer a kid. LOL
 
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Lol? Most of the time Fedal have been many years post prime. Unless you agree with the 'experts' who say Fedal is peaking now.

You can pick any slam winner from the 80s and first half of the 90s who had it much more difficult than Djoko. Look what kind of competition Lendl had through out his career for example.

Agreed about Lendl!

Well anyways, using your logic about primes, one might just as well claim Djokovic wasn't anywhere close to his peak when Federer and Nadal were beating him regularly! So it can be argued both ways :)
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Moya will never be as successful as Toni was overall but what if Moya can somehow help Nadal find the game and motivation to win three more slams? Won't he be seen as successful then given Nadal's age/mileage, etc?
Not as successful. Since Toni coached Rafa since 3 years of age ;)
Not sure if any coach ever will be as successful as Toni again.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Be fair. Moya only joined at the start of this year and has already taken Rafa to 2 Slams. That's an excellent result for his first year as coach by any standards.

Oh, I agree, I am not criticizing Moya as much as I am defending Toni. Toni has still been coach this year alongside Moya, so I don't give Moya all the credit for those 2 slams. Just as I don't give Roig all the credit when Rafa's won IW in the past and Roig was on site. I am not taking anything away from Carlos, but people are trashing Toni as a has been which I find insulting and disrespectful. No question Toni is the GOAT coach who guided Rafa to all his success.
 

bitcoinoperated

Professional
Have you read Nadal's biography?

This is Toni's tactic to keep Rafa motivated and hungry. Toni has always been stingy with his praise towards Rafa because he doesn't want him to get big headed and complacent. By playing down this hardcourt slam win, Toni is almost telling Rafa to go out and prove him wrong by winning another hardcourt slam with the big boys all in the field. And Rafa will probably do it.

Toni says stuff like this because he knows it'll push Rafa to break Federer's slam record. So I wouldn't get too excited by Uncle Toni's famous reverse-psychological warfare. Everybody knows what he's doing by now.

This. There is a story in there how Rafa unexpectedly some some national tournament at a young age, Toni then had all the decorations and plans for a celebratory homecoming killed off.
 

Wilhelm

Hall of Fame
Leave it to Toni to provide the reality check. This perspective is exactly what made Rafa great. Besides, it's not like he can choose his opponents.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
The title of the thread is absurd!
Actually
, Uncle Toni was asked about his (!) departure (!) from Rafa's box after the USO, i.e. stopping traveling to tournaments in order to concentrate on running Rafa's tennis academy in Mallorca.
“For me it’s nothing special [to finish (!) with a victory],” he said. “No different than the other times when he won tournament of the grand slam. Rafael has Carlos Moya and Francisco Roig and I think he doesn’t need that I go there [to tournaments]. I can be in my house.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2...iumph-under-strength-us-open-nothing-special/


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