WEAK ERA Conundrum SOLVED and explained

[Sunny014]

Every set of 5-6 years is a generation and great players emerge/have to emerge or else the previous generation will keep on winning, this is a known fact. So lets check evey set of 5 years and see who arrived and who didn't.


Starting from the late 80s :

Generation 1 : Becker's generation was strong so 87-92 was a very strong period because Lendl-Wilander form the prev gen also were quite strong in this period!

Generation 2 : Sampras's gen was quite strong so 93-97 period was quite strong period with Becker from prev gen competing in this too.

Generation 3 : Immediate generation after Sampras was bad (check their slam records outside clay) and thats why 98- 02 was a slightly weak period,

Generation 4 : Federer's gen made 03-07 decently strong as 1 champ from prev gen (Agassi) and 1 champ from next gen (Nadal) joined Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt in making this era competitive, Teenage prodigy Nadal could not win a HC slam in this period despite winning French every year, so the era was pretty strong which is evident from the fact that there were no free HC slams.

Generation 5 : Gen after Federer's was even more talented with 2 ATGs (Djoker+Nadal) so 08-13 period was very powerful, arguably the most competitive since the late 80s due to an off peak but in prime Federer + 2 ATGs at their peak

Generation 6 : Now ... this is where a slightly weak era starts to begin ( Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players ) 2014 onwards Federer and Djokovic are playing wimbledon finals, next gen clueless on Grass .... Thiem did challenge Nadal on Clay but on HCs again next gen looking impotent just like Sampras's next gen looked impotent outside Clay, Djokovic + Nadal still winning in this period like Sampras/Agassi still won after 99 and continued till 2002/03 .... Interesting thing is Roger Federer also won slams in 2017-2018 period, thats like Boris Becker winning Slams in the early 2000s, LOL

Generation 7 : Now Weak era is firmly established, Generation after Thiem/Dimitrov are also unable to stop Novak/Nadal, Rafael Nadal after struggling to cross the 4th round on Grass for 6 straight years now makes the semis twice in 2018 and 2019, 38 years old Federer and 32 year old Djokovic ranked 3 and 1 played a wimbledon final in 2019? That's like Becker vs Sampras wimbledon Final happening in 2003-04 instead of Federer-Roddick ?

Generation 8 : Still too far off, they are all 20 or under 20 now.

So Mr Djokovic in 2018-2022 period is a hypothetical Sampras winning Wimbledons, US opens in the absence of a young Federer who is yet to arrive in 03-06 period and maybe Carlos Alcaraz is a young Nadal who will arrive late in another 2-3 years maybe ?

So folks, there you have it, the last 3-4 years we have been seeing a weak era in Tennis..


Generation Listing :

1960-1964 : Generation 0
- Lendl, Wilander, Noah, Leconte, Mercir & Gilbert. Additionally John Mcenroe born in 1959 also could be included in this gen if you wish.
1965-1969 : Generation 1
- Becker, Edberg, Stitch, Cash, Muster, Korda & Pioline
1970-1974 : Generation 2
- Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Bruguera & Kafelnikov
1975-1979 : Generation 3
- Kuerten, Moya, Rios, Blake, Haas, Johansson, Costa, Philippoussis & Gaudio
1980-1984 : Generation 4
- Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Coria and Ferrero
1985-1989 : Generation 5
- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Tsonga
1990-1994 : Generation 6
- Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov, Goffin, Sock, Pablo Carreño Busta & also Nishikori (born in december 89 so thats almost 90).
1995-1999 : Generation 7
- Kyrgios, Medvedev, Zverev, Stefanos, Shapovalov, Rublev, De Minaur & Berretinni
2000-2004 : Generation 8
- Felix, Sinner, Carlos Alcaraz


Please give your views on this .....

 

[mike danny]

This should end well.

 

[NatF]

Please give your views on this .....

Mods, stop this.

 

[travlerajm]

Every set of 5-6 years is a generation and great players emerge/have to emerge or else the previous generation will keep on winning, this is a known fact. So lets check evey set of 5 years and see who arrived and who didn't.


Starting from the late 80s :

Generation 1 : Becker's generation was strong so 87-92 was a very strong period because Lendl-Wilander form the prev gen also were quite strong in this period!

Generation 2 : Sampras's gen was quite strong so 93-97 period was quite strong period with Becker from prev gen competing in this too.

Generation 3 : Immediate generation after Sampras was bad (check their slam records outside clay) and thats why 98- 02 was a slightly weak period,

Generation 4 : Federer's gen made 03-07 decently strong as 1 champ from prev gen (Agassi) and 1 champ from next gen (Nadal) joined Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt in making this era competitive, Teenage prodigy Nadal could not win a HC slam in this period despite winning French every year, so the era was pretty strong which is evident from the fact that there were no free HC slams.

Generation 5 : Gen after Federer's was even more talented with 2 ATGs (Djoker+Nadal) so 08-13 period was very powerful, arguably the most competitive since the late 80s due to an off peak but in prime Federer + 2 ATGs at their peak

Generation 6 : Now ... this is where a slightly weak era starts to begin ( Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players ) 2014 onwards Federer and Djokovic are playing wimbledon finals, next gen clueless on Grass .... Thiem did challenge Nadal on Clay but on HCs again next gen looking impotent just like Sampras's next gen looked impotent outside Clay, Djokovic + Nadal still winning in this period like Sampras/Agassi still won after 99 and continued till 2002/03 .... Interesting thing is Roger Federer also won slams in 2014-2018 period, thats like Boris Becker winning Slams in the early 2000s, LOL

Generation 7 : Now Weak era is firmly established, Generation after Thiem/Dimitrov are also unable to stop Novak/Nadal, Nadal playing a wimbledon final in 2018 after struggling for many years here? 38 years old Federer and 32 year old Djokovic ranked 3 and 1 played a wimbledon final in 2019? That's like Becker vs Sampras wimbledon Final happening in 2003-04 instead of Federer-Roddick ?

Generation 8 : Still too far off, they are all 20 or under 20 now.

So Mr Djokovic in 2018-2022 period is a hypothetical Sampras winning Wimbledons, US opens in the absence of a young Federer of who is yet to arrive in 03-06 period and maybe Carlos Alcaraz is a young Nadal who will arrive late in another 2-3 years maybe ?

So folks, there you have it, the last 3-4 years we have been seeing a weak era in Tennis..


Generation Listing :

1960-1964 : Generation 0
- Lendl, Wilander, Noah, Leconte, Mercir & Gilbert. Additionally John Mcenroe born in 1959 also could be included in this gen if you wish.
1965-1969 : Generation 1
- Becker, Edberg, Stitch, Cash, Muster, Korda & Pioline
1970-1974 : Generation 2
- Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Bruguera & Kafelnikov
1975-1979 : Generation 3
- Kuerten, Moya, Rios, Blake, Haas, Costa & Gaudio
1980-1984 : Generation 4
- Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Ferrero & Nalbandian
1985-1989 : Generation 5
- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Tsonga & Nishikori
1990-1994 : Generation 6
- Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov, Goffin, Sock, Pablo Carreño Busta
1995-1999 : Generation 7
- Kyrgios, Medvedev, Zverev, Stefanos, Shapovalov, Rublev, De Minaur & Berretinni
2000-2004 : Generation 8
- Felix, Sinner, Carlos Alcaraz


Please give your views on this .....

Good summary.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

shame you wrote all that and it will change exactly nobody's mind

that's a lesson you learn through trial though. like when i did too

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Weak era: The timeframe in which a player you dislike won a large number of titles
Vulturing: Achievements of a player you dislike, usually explained by injury of your favourite players, or by the same weak competition that eliminated players you like
Career Inflation Era: When an old guy you dislike wins a lot; rounded to the nearest decade
Cakewalk: a draw full of weak players that your favourite players managed to lose to

Credit: @Bender

 

[aldeayeah]

Seems kinda reasonable although nothing is ever that clear cut

missing ferrer in fedgen

 

[NatF]

Seems kinda reasonable although nothing is ever that clear cut

missing ferrer in fedgen

Coria too.

 

[Jai]

Weak era: The timeframe in which a player you dislike won a large number of titles
Vulturing: Achievements of a player you dislike, usually explained by injury of your favourite players, or by the same weak competition that eliminated players you like
Career Inflation Era: When an old guy you dislike wins a lot; rounded to the nearest decade
Cakewalk: a draw full of weak players that your favourite players managed to lose to

Credit: @Bender

are there slots for GOAT posters on the forum? This one is deserving for sure.

 

[Sunny014]

Seems kinda reasonable although nothing is ever that clear cut

missing ferrer in fedgen

Coria too.

Thanks, added both.

 

[mike danny]

Coria too.

Fed's gen had a wide pool of talent. A shame a lot of them had health issues and even motivational issues.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

are there slots for GOAT posters on the forum? This one is deserving for sure.

Those are just 4 definitions. There are 78 in his thread.

 

[daphne]

What a waste of HDD and bandwidth. Delete the OP Ban the guy with laser eyes. Confiscate his PC. Use a hammer to smash it. Send the bill to his mamma.

 

[beard]

Every set of 5-6 years is a generation and great players emerge/have to emerge or else the previous generation will keep on winning, this is a known fact. So lets check evey set of 5 years and see who arrived and who didn't.


Starting from the late 80s :

Generation 1 : Becker's generation was strong so 87-92 was a very strong period because Lendl-Wilander form the prev gen also were quite strong in this period!

Generation 2 : Sampras's gen was quite strong so 93-97 period was quite strong period with Becker from prev gen competing in this too.

Generation 3 : Immediate generation after Sampras was bad (check their slam records outside clay) and thats why 98- 02 was a slightly weak period,

Generation 4 : Federer's gen made 03-07 decently strong as 1 champ from prev gen (Agassi) and 1 champ from next gen (Nadal) joined Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt in making this era competitive, Teenage prodigy Nadal could not win a HC slam in this period despite winning French every year, so the era was pretty strong which is evident from the fact that there were no free HC slams.

Generation 5 : Gen after Federer's was even more talented with 2 ATGs (Djoker+Nadal) so 08-13 period was very powerful, arguably the most competitive since the late 80s due to an off peak but in prime Federer + 2 ATGs at their peak

Generation 6 : Now ... this is where a slightly weak era starts to begin ( Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players ) 2014 onwards Federer and Djokovic are playing wimbledon finals, next gen clueless on Grass .... Thiem did challenge Nadal on Clay but on HCs again next gen looking impotent just like Sampras's next gen looked impotent outside Clay, Djokovic + Nadal still winning in this period like Sampras/Agassi still won after 99 and continued till 2002/03 .... Interesting thing is Roger Federer also won slams in 2014-2018 period, thats like Boris Becker winning Slams in the early 2000s, LOL

Generation 7 : Now Weak era is firmly established, Generation after Thiem/Dimitrov are also unable to stop Novak/Nadal, Nadal playing a wimbledon final in 2018 after struggling for many years here? 38 years old Federer and 32 year old Djokovic ranked 3 and 1 played a wimbledon final in 2019? That's like Becker vs Sampras wimbledon Final happening in 2003-04 instead of Federer-Roddick ?

Generation 8 : Still too far off, they are all 20 or under 20 now.

So Mr Djokovic in 2018-2022 period is a hypothetical Sampras winning Wimbledons, US opens in the absence of a young Federer who is yet to arrive in 03-06 period and maybe Carlos Alcaraz is a young Nadal who will arrive late in another 2-3 years maybe ?

So folks, there you have it, the last 3-4 years we have been seeing a weak era in Tennis..


Generation Listing :

1960-1964 : Generation 0
- Lendl, Wilander, Noah, Leconte, Mercir & Gilbert. Additionally John Mcenroe born in 1959 also could be included in this gen if you wish.
1965-1969 : Generation 1
- Becker, Edberg, Stitch, Cash, Muster, Korda & Pioline
1970-1974 : Generation 2
- Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Bruguera & Kafelnikov
1975-1979 : Generation 3
- Kuerten, Moya, Rios, Blake, Haas, Costa & Gaudio
1980-1984 : Generation 4
- Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Coria and Ferrero
1985-1989 : Generation 5
- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Tsonga & Nishikori
1990-1994 : Generation 6
- Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov, Goffin, Sock, Pablo Carreño Busta
1995-1999 : Generation 7
- Kyrgios, Medvedev, Zverev, Stefanos, Shapovalov, Rublev, De Minaur & Berretinni
2000-2004 : Generation 8
- Felix, Sinner, Carlos Alcaraz


Please give your views on this .....

Ladies and gentlemen... but hurting continues... Loool...
I enjoy this type of thread...

 

[wang07]

Generation 7 : Now Weak era is firmly established, Generation after Thiem/Dimitrov are also unable to stop Novak/Nadal, Nadal playing a wimbledon final in 2018 after struggling for many years here?

It was a semi, the last time Rafa made a Wimbledon final was almost 10 years ago.

 

[mike danny]

It was a semi, the last time Rafa made a Wimbledon final was almost 10 years ago.

Point still stands.

 

[Sunny014]

It was a semi, the last time Rafa made a Wimbledon final was almost 10 years ago.

Sorry for that.
Edited...

 

[ForehandRF]

Weak era: The timeframe in which a player you dislike won a large number of titles
Vulturing: Achievements of a player you dislike, usually explained by injury of your favourite players, or by the same weak competition that eliminated players you like
Career Inflation Era: When an old guy you dislike wins a lot; rounded to the nearest decade
Cakewalk: a draw full of weak players that your favourite players managed to lose to

Credit: @Bender

All trolls and haters on TTW should see this every time they open the forum

 

[Wiggedbaldy]

 

[Nadal_Django]

The Federer nostalgia trolls still living in the 80s it seems.

Peak at 21
Prime at 24
Old at 27
Retired at 28
Dead at 30



Talking about refusing to accept the modern sports realities.

 

[Jai]

Those are just 4 definitions. There are 78 in his thread.

Wonderful, I think it's going to be a fascinating read If it's not too much trouble, can you tell me the name of this thread or perchance the link?

 

[OhYes]

Every set of 5-6 years is a generation and great players emerge/have to emerge or else the previous generation will keep on winning, this is a known fact. So lets check evey set of 5 years and see who arrived and who didn't.


Starting from the late 80s :

Generation 1 : Becker's generation was strong so 87-92 was a very strong period because Lendl-Wilander form the prev gen also were quite strong in this period!

Generation 2 : Sampras's gen was quite strong so 93-97 period was quite strong period with Becker from prev gen competing in this too.

Generation 3 : Immediate generation after Sampras was bad (check their slam records outside clay) and thats why 98- 02 was a slightly weak period,

Generation 4 : Federer's gen made 03-07 decently strong as 1 champ from prev gen (Agassi) and 1 champ from next gen (Nadal) joined Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt in making this era competitive, Teenage prodigy Nadal could not win a HC slam in this period despite winning French every year, so the era was pretty strong which is evident from the fact that there were no free HC slams.

Generation 5 : Gen after Federer's was even more talented with 2 ATGs (Djoker+Nadal) so 08-13 period was very powerful, arguably the most competitive since the late 80s due to an off peak but in prime Federer + 2 ATGs at their peak

Generation 6 : Now ... this is where a slightly weak era starts to begin ( Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players ) 2014 onwards Federer and Djokovic are playing wimbledon finals, next gen clueless on Grass .... Thiem did challenge Nadal on Clay but on HCs again next gen looking impotent just like Sampras's next gen looked impotent outside Clay, Djokovic + Nadal still winning in this period like Sampras/Agassi still won after 99 and continued till 2002/03 .... Interesting thing is Roger Federer also won slams in 2014-2018 period, thats like Boris Becker winning Slams in the early 2000s, LOL

Generation 7 : Now Weak era is firmly established, Generation after Thiem/Dimitrov are also unable to stop Novak/Nadal, 38 years old Federer and 32 year old Djokovic ranked 3 and 1 played a wimbledon final in 2019? That's like Becker vs Sampras wimbledon Final happening in 2003-04 instead of Federer-Roddick ?

Generation 8 : Still too far off, they are all 20 or under 20 now.

So Mr Djokovic in 2018-2022 period is a hypothetical Sampras winning Wimbledons, US opens in the absence of a young Federer who is yet to arrive in 03-06 period and maybe Carlos Alcaraz is a young Nadal who will arrive late in another 2-3 years maybe ?

So folks, there you have it, the last 3-4 years we have been seeing a weak era in Tennis..


Generation Listing :

1960-1964 : Generation 0
- Lendl, Wilander, Noah, Leconte, Mercir & Gilbert. Additionally John Mcenroe born in 1959 also could be included in this gen if you wish.
1965-1969 : Generation 1
- Becker, Edberg, Stitch, Cash, Muster, Korda & Pioline
1970-1974 : Generation 2
- Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Bruguera & Kafelnikov
1975-1979 : Generation 3
- Kuerten, Moya, Rios, Blake, Haas, Costa & Gaudio
1980-1984 : Generation 4
- Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Coria and Ferrero
1985-1989 : Generation 5
- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Tsonga & Nishikori
1990-1994 : Generation 6
- Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov, Goffin, Sock, Pablo Carreño Busta
1995-1999 : Generation 7
- Kyrgios, Medvedev, Zverev, Stefanos, Shapovalov, Rublev, De Minaur & Berretinni
2000-2004 : Generation 8
- Felix, Sinner, Carlos Alcaraz


Please give your views on this .....

So just because you coloured your letters and wrote big text means you are right ?
Truth is that generations come and go in different patterns, and the only reason why we aren't seeing usual tennis patterns are better overall conditions for players (medicine included) + overhyped oldie through social networks that pawed the way for Rafole duration.
Public salivating over old guy that holds racket puts lot of youngsters off.

If I wasn't interested in tennis, mentioning 1 person constantly on Tv and media in course of 2 decades, would make me lose even possible remote interest in such sport.

 

[Beckerserve]

Could not be bothered reading that. Anyone able to summarise in three lines?

 

[CYGS]

Every set of 5-6 years is a generation and great players emerge/have to emerge or else the previous generation will keep on winning, this is a known fact. So lets check evey set of 5 years and see who arrived and who didn't.


Starting from the late 80s :

Generation 1 : Becker's generation was strong so 87-92 was a very strong period because Lendl-Wilander form the prev gen also were quite strong in this period!

Generation 2 : Sampras's gen was quite strong so 93-97 period was quite strong period with Becker from prev gen competing in this too.

Generation 3 : Immediate generation after Sampras was bad (check their slam records outside clay) and thats why 98- 02 was a slightly weak period,

Generation 4 : Federer's gen made 03-07 decently strong as 1 champ from prev gen (Agassi) and 1 champ from next gen (Nadal) joined Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt in making this era competitive, Teenage prodigy Nadal could not win a HC slam in this period despite winning French every year, so the era was pretty strong which is evident from the fact that there were no free HC slams.

Generation 5 : Gen after Federer's was even more talented with 2 ATGs (Djoker+Nadal) so 08-13 period was very powerful, arguably the most competitive since the late 80s due to an off peak but in prime Federer + 2 ATGs at their peak

Generation 6 : Now ... this is where a slightly weak era starts to begin ( Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players ) 2014 onwards Federer and Djokovic are playing wimbledon finals, next gen clueless on Grass .... Thiem did challenge Nadal on Clay but on HCs again next gen looking impotent just like Sampras's next gen looked impotent outside Clay, Djokovic + Nadal still winning in this period like Sampras/Agassi still won after 99 and continued till 2002/03 .... Interesting thing is Roger Federer also won slams in 2014-2018 period, thats like Boris Becker winning Slams in the early 2000s, LOL

Generation 7 : Now Weak era is firmly established, Generation after Thiem/Dimitrov are also unable to stop Novak/Nadal, 38 years old Federer and 32 year old Djokovic ranked 3 and 1 played a wimbledon final in 2019? That's like Becker vs Sampras wimbledon Final happening in 2003-04 instead of Federer-Roddick ?

Generation 8 : Still too far off, they are all 20 or under 20 now.

So Mr Djokovic in 2018-2022 period is a hypothetical Sampras winning Wimbledons, US opens in the absence of a young Federer who is yet to arrive in 03-06 period and maybe Carlos Alcaraz is a young Nadal who will arrive late in another 2-3 years maybe ?

So folks, there you have it, the last 3-4 years we have been seeing a weak era in Tennis..


Generation Listing :

1960-1964 : Generation 0
- Lendl, Wilander, Noah, Leconte, Mercir & Gilbert. Additionally John Mcenroe born in 1959 also could be included in this gen if you wish.
1965-1969 : Generation 1
- Becker, Edberg, Stitch, Cash, Muster, Korda & Pioline
1970-1974 : Generation 2
- Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Bruguera & Kafelnikov
1975-1979 : Generation 3
- Kuerten, Moya, Rios, Blake, Haas, Costa & Gaudio
1980-1984 : Generation 4
- Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Coria and Ferrero
1985-1989 : Generation 5
- Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Cilic, Berdych, Tsonga & Nishikori
1990-1994 : Generation 6
- Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov, Goffin, Sock, Pablo Carreño Busta
1995-1999 : Generation 7
- Kyrgios, Medvedev, Zverev, Stefanos, Shapovalov, Rublev, De Minaur & Berretinni
2000-2004 : Generation 8
- Felix, Sinner, Carlos Alcaraz


Please give your views on this .....

Age excuse blah blah blah = a wall of crap is still crap.

 

[Sunny014]

So just because you coloured your letters and wrote big text means you are right ?
Truth is that generations come and go in different patterns, and the only reason why we aren't seeing usual tennis patterns are better overall conditions for players (medicine included) + overhyped oldie through social networks that pawed the way for Rafole duration.
Public salivating over old guy that holds racket puts lot of youngsters off.

If I wasn't interested in tennis, mentioning 1 person constantly on Tv and media in course of 2 decades, would make me lose even possible remote interest in such sport.

Of course we are witnessing great Tennis because Immediately after Federer we had 2 greats (Nadal and Djokovic) and Nadal's career overlapped in federer's peak as well.

But what is the reason for Dimitrov+Thiem not being consistent at the highest level and then the guys who followed after them also not yet ready to step up ? People like Nick Kyrgios are more dedicated to Twitter than Tennis, surely that helps the big 3 in piling away records, biggest beneficiary of this are Djokovic and Rafael Nadal.

Youngsters have no knowledge on how to play on Grass, isn't this worrying for Tennis ???

 

[Sunny014]

The Federer nostalgia trolls still living in the 80s it seems.

Peak at 21
Prime at 24
Old at 27
Retired at 28
Dead at 30



Talking about refusing to accept the modern sports realities.

People have always played into the mid-late 30s, Rosewall did, Connors did, Agassi did, Federer did, now Djokodal are on the verge of doing that.
But youngsters have to step up, none of them know how to play on Grass and this has been the case for many years now.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Wonderful, I think it's going to be a fascinating read If it's not too much trouble, can you tell me the name of this thread or perchance the link?

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[BeatlesFan]

People have always played into the mid-late 30s, Rosewall did, Connors did, Agassi did, Federer did, now Djokodal are on the verge of doing that.

Very misleading. Sure, a few players in the OE have played after 35, but they represent 1-2% of all active and former players. The overwhelming majority of ATP pros are retired by 35.

Djokovic and Nadal aren’t yet 35 but their fans seem to think it’s a foregone conclusion they’ll be as successful as Roger was after that age. That’s an unreasonable expectation. He won 3 slams after 35 and was ranked #1.

 

[mike danny]

Very misleading. Sure, a few players in the OE have played after 35, but they represent 1-2% of all active and former players. The overwhelming majority of ATP pros are retired by 35.

Djokovic and Nadal aren’t yet 35 but their fans seem to think it’s a foregone conclusion they’ll be as successful as Roger was after that age. That’s an unreasonable expectation. He won 3 slams after 35 and was ranked #1.

Have you seen the younger players? I totally expect at least one of them to be as successful as Roger post 35.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Objectively speaking post 2014 period is weakest we have ever seen. Young generation couldn't take over. Quality of Tennis deteriorated with every year passing. Big 3 kept winning despite facing decline. Djokovic being youngest and fittest out of three got biggest share of Slams.

 

[mike danny]

Objectively speaking post 2014 period is weakest we have ever seen.

Post 2015. 2015 itself was good and certainly better than what came afterwards. Djokovic himself was at his best, while no such thing for any player afterwards.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Have you seen the younger players? I totally expect at least one of them to be as successful as Roger post 35.

Yeah because success after 35 in today's modern sport is reserved only for Roger.

 

[Sunny014]

Very misleading. Sure, a few players in the OE have played after 35, but they represent 1-2% of all active and former players. The overwhelming majority of ATP pros are retired by 35.

Djokovic and Nadal aren’t yet 35 but their fans seem to think it’s a foregone conclusion they’ll be as successful as Roger was after that age. That’s an unreasonable expectation. He won 3 slams after 35 and was ranked #1.

But Djokovic is like 33-34 and still ranked 1, Nadal also ended the year as 1 at 33, this hasn't happened before so even if someone dethrones Djokovic he will still be making the grand slam finals/semis regularly for another 3-4 years the way he is playing, plus we know Nadal, if he can win the French till he is 40 then he will be competitive at the other slams too ....at least Novak can replicate Federer in multiple slams and Nadal can keep on wining the french.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Stopped reading after - "Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players"

 

[daphne]

Stopped reading after - "Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players"

Stopped reading after Sunny014

 

[Sunny014]

Stopped reading after - "Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players"

Thiem, Raonic, Dimitrov are the 3 best Tennis players born between 1990 and 1994.
You could say Raonic is the second best but that thats it, Grigor would still be at 3.

 

[Tony48]

Federer's records are falling by the day, he is (or will) no longer be as viewed as GOAT, and none of this will stop that.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Stopped reading after Sunny014

Stopped reading before I started.

 

[Sunny014]

Stopped reading after Sunny014

Lol , You seem to be focusing on the poster than the hard truths in the post.

Truth is : Djokovic = A hypothetical Sampras in a timeline where there is no Federer and possibly with weaker next gens than Safin/Hewitt as well who cannot dethrone the champs who are like 9-10 years older .... modern day medicine or no medicine, the next guys have to arrive.

2 generations of players after Djokodal are not yet there, Medvedev losing in straight sets to Djokovic was exact opposite to Safin beating Pete in 3 sets at the USO final where Sampras was a 4 time champ and the age difference of 9-10 years is also the same.

 

[Tennis Analyst]

Generation 4 : Federer's gen made 03-07 decently strong as 1 champ from prev gen (Agassi) and 1 champ from next gen (Nadal) joined Federer, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt in making this era competitive, Teenage prodigy Nadal could not win a HC slam in this period despite winning French every year, so the era was pretty strong which is evident from the fact that there were no free HC slams.

Stopped reading there.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Stopped reading after - "Generation after Djokodal has Thiem+Dimitrov as the 2 best players"

Dimitrov is more accomplished than Nishikori or Raonic by virtue of winning the YEC so he's technically correct lol.

 

[Sunny014]

Stopped reading there.

Why is it so hard to accept that Federer's generation was also quite strong?

- Hewitt, Safin and Roddick were all world number 1s before 04 + they had a winning H2Hs over Sampras (nd Agassi too I think so, need to check) so this means they weren't weak.
- Andre Agassi is a 8 time Grand Slam winner who was playing great in his second innings on HCs like Federer has been on HCs+Grass post 2013.
- Nadal was a Teenage Prodigy who was winning Clay, that match between Nadal and Coria in Rome was probably the closest match we have seen on clay in the 00s between Nadal and someone else. He was playing amazing on slow grass as well.

Is this a weak set of players ?

The presence of 2 ATGs right below Federer in the immediate generation has given you an illusion that Federer's generation were not talented but it is not their fault that Tennis evolved and rest of the field because stronger as that was evolution.

 

[CYGS]

Why is it so hard to accept that Federer's generation was also quite strong?

- Hewitt, Safin and Roddick were all world number 1s before 04 + they had a winning H2Hs over Sampras (nd Agassi too I think so, need to check) so this means they weren't weak.
- Andre Agassi is a 8 time Grand Slam winner who was playing great in his second innings on HCs like Federer has been on HCs+Grass post 2013.
- Nadal was a Teenage Prodigy who was winning Clay, that match between Nadal and Coria in Rome was probably the closest match we have seen on clay in the 00s between Nadal and someone else.

Is this a weak set of players ?

The presence of 2 ATGs right below Federer in the immediate generation has given you an illusion that Federer's generation were not talented but it is not their fault that Tennis evolved and rest of the field because stronger as that was evolution.

Why is it so hard to accept that Federer's generation was also quite weak?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Lol , You seem to be focusing on the poster than the hard truths in the post.

Truth is : Djokovic = A hypothetical Sampras in a timeline where there is no Federer and possibly with weaker next gens than Safin/Hewitt as well who cannot dethrone the champs who are like 9-10 years older .... modern day medicine or no medicine, the next guys have to arrive.

2 generations of players after Djokodal are not yet there, Medvedev losing in straight sets to Djokovic was exact opposite to Safin beating Pete in 3 sets at the USO final where Sampras was a 4 time champ and the age difference of 9-10 years is also the same.

More like Djokovic is Lendl but benefitting from a) better medicine enhancing longevity (Lendl was done when his back gave in despite his best effort, perhaps it would hold better); b) tour changes benefitting baseline-centric tennis (Lendl would love to see net play rendered weak, no more Becker and Edberg types s&v'ing him to no end on fast courts particularly grass); c) much lesser competition as the dearth of talent grows ever bigger with 90s gens collectively failing, whereas Lendl landed smack into the most competitive era(s) with all sorts of fellow ATGs and volatile high-peak players blocking his path.

 

[daphne]

Lol , You seem to be focusing on the poster than the hard truths in the post.

Truth is : Djokovic = A hypothetical Sampras in a timeline where there is no Federer and possibly with weaker next gens than Safin/Hewitt as well who cannot dethrone the champs who are like 9-10 years older .... modern day medicine or no medicine, the next guys have to arrive.

2 generations of players after Djokodal are not yet there, Medvedev losing in straight sets to Djokovic was exact opposite to Safin beating Pete in 3 sets at the USO final where Sampras was a 4 time champ and the age difference of 9-10 years is also the same.

Guruji, please enlighten us how many truths are there?

 

[Sunny014]

Why is it so hard to accept that Federer's generation was also quite weak?

Because if Hewitt/Safin were weak then that raises questions on Sampras who lost to them at his fav HC slams (USO) and Nadal who was winning Slams by 05 should have won HC slams or at least made the semis/finals too if the field was weak, right ? Why he never won HCs until 09 ?

Thats the problem, if you rubbish someone then the guys they beat also become rubbish !

If 03-07 was a weak period then Pete would not have retired with a losing H2H to 4 players (Fed, Safin, Hewitt and Roddick) and we can say he didn't have motivation, he achieved it all etc etc but then Andre was still playing, if the field was so weak wouldn't Pete have at least continued till 04 ?

 

[CYGS]

Because if Hewitt/Safin were weak then that raises questions on Sampras who lost to them at his fav HC slams (USO) and Nadal who was winning Slams by 05 should have won HC slams or at least made the semis/finals too if the field was weak, right ? Why he never won HCs until 09 ?

Thats the problem, if you rubbish someone then the guys they beat also become rubbish !

If 03-07 was a weak period then Pete would not have retired with a losing H2H to 4 players (Fed, Safin, Hewitt and Roddick) and we can say he didn't have motivation, he achieved it all etc etc but then Andre was still playing, if the field was so weak wouldn't Pete have at least continued till 04 ?

Fanboyism - that's why.

 

[Nadal_Django]

More like Djokovic is Lendl but benefitting from a) better medicine enhancing longevity (Lendl was done when his back gave in despite his best effort, perhaps it would hold better); b) tour changes benefitting baseline-centric tennis (Lendl would love to see net play rendered weak, no more Becker and Edberg types s&v'ing him to no end on fast courts particularly grass); c) much lesser competition as the dearth of talent grows ever bigger with 90s gens collectively failing, whereas Lendl landed smack into the most competitive era(s) with all sorts of fellow ATGs and volatile high-peak players blocking his path.

Cope

 

[AceSalvo]

Because if Hewitt/Safin were weak then that raises questions on Sampras who lost to them at his fav HC slams (USO) and Nadal who was winning Slams by 05 should have won HC slams or at least made the semis/finals too if the field was weak, right ? Why he never won HCs until 09 ?

Thats the problem, if you rubbish someone then the guys they beat also become rubbish !

If 03-07 was a weak period then Pete would not have retired with a losing H2H to 4 players (Fed, Safin, Hewitt and Roddick) and we can say he didn't have motivation, he achieved it all etc etc but then Andre was still playing, if the field was so weak wouldn't Pete have at least continued till 04 ?

Dont expect any logical answers for those very valid questions.

 

[duaneeo]

2015 itself was good and certainly better than what came afterwards. Djokovic himself was at his best, while no such thing for any player afterwards.

It's no wonder considering the decade's #2 player was a non-factor the entire year. And still, Nole wasn't at his best, because had he been, he would've won the CYGS.