What is your IQ?

[SystemicAnomaly]

@Gary Duane

I am sure Einstein would fail miserably in the traditional IQ test. He was a slow thinker with a hint of asperger.

I don't think so. That is a common myth. Einstein might not have scored his true IQ in a traditional test, but he was an accomplished (LOL) scientist and teacher and an extremely articulate writer. He wouldn't "fail miserably" in a traditional IQ test.

https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/einsteins-life-facts-and-fiction#section_4

Albert Einstein:
Fact or Fiction?​

UPDATED:JAN 18, 2019
ORIGINAL:OCT 27, 2009
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Is it true that Einstein was a lousy student?
In some ways, yes. When he was very young, Einstein’s parents worried that he had a learning disability because he was very slow to learn to talk. (He also avoided other children and had extraordinary temper tantrums.) When he started school, he did very well-he was a creative and persistent problem-solver-but he hated the rote, disciplined style of the teachers at his Munich school, and he dropped out when he was 15. Then, when he took the entrance examination for a polytechnic school in Zurich, he flunked. (He passed the math part, but failed the botany, zoology and language sections.) Einstein kept studying and was admitted to the polytechnic institute the following year, but even then he continued to struggle: His professors thought that he was smart but much too pleased with himself, and some doubted that he would graduate. He did, but not by much-which is how the young physicist found himself working in the Swiss Patent Office instead of at a school or university.


EDIT: The next article, from the Washington Post, gives a slightly different perspective on this.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Was Albert Einstein really a bad student who failed math?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...instein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

 

[WilPro]

You are all mere mortals with lives that can reach a maximum around 100 years. Your marks in history will fade like sand. Other than showing your ego here, you and your high IQ are totally worthless.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

An interesting aspect of IQ is how everyone seems to score above its average.

Makes sense. I believe that 130 is the new 100.

 

[movdqa]

Makes sense. I believe that 130 is the new 100.

People don't self-report weak numbers.

 

[Enga]

I did that Mensa one where the thingy majig shows a bunch of shapes, just now. It says I have 100 IQ or so. Seems pretty much right to me. I didn't manage to finish the test, I only got to question 28. I only took it once.

"Your IQ was measured to 102, which is equivalent to the 55 percentile, with a standard deviation of 15. "

Before someone teases me for my average brain, take the test yourself: http://test.mensa.no/

 

[Zara]

In between dgold’s and sureshs’s IQs

Aren't we all.

 

[Zara]

Recent scores only, please!! Once you hit your mid 20s you're losing somewhere between 10,000 and 100,000 (out of about 100 billion total) neurons every day. Kiss 'em good bye, boys and girls.

As Einstein would say, 'of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most'.

 

[Zara]

Explains how iq works in reality. People with very high iq's are usually savants who cannot function in real life

That's quite true as in those cases, intelligence is highly focused only one or two problems as opposed to mainstream where the general focus tends to more spread out. So anyone falling from 80-115 would be those people or normal people.

 

[PistolPete23]

I haven't taken a real IQ test and don't plan to, ever. If I score high, that'll only boost my ego. If I score below average, I'll suffer from even more inferiority complex, and if I'm in the average range, I'll feel just "average". I also don't believe in an all-encompassing metric for intelligence.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

My score is a bit lower than that of Rain Man but significantly higher than Orange Man.

 

[Chadalina]

I am sure Einstein would fail miserably in the traditional IQ test. He was a slow thinker with a hint of asperger.

He has a 160, same as stephen hawkings. Thats what makes sharon stone so interesting with her 154.

I had a very high iq (140+) when i was younger, had to goto gifted classes. Really didnt like it because i was into sports.

Playing chess since i was 4, programming on the computer when i was 6 and lots of video games

 

[Mike Bulgakov]

Often people who score extremely high on IQ tests, especially if they are inclined towards creative and abstract thinking, have problems with getting bored easily and don't like following rules. The disinclination to wear the mask expected by an occupation, and the desire to test boundaries can create problems for people.

 

[Zara]

He has a 160, same as stephen hawkings. Thats what makes sharon stone so interesting with her 154.

I had a very high iq (140+) when i was younger, had to goto gifted classes. Really didnt like it because i was into sports.

Playing chess since i was 4, programming on the computer when i was 6 and lots of video games

There are gifted children who go to those special schools or attend special classes but the likes of Einstein only happens once in a while.

Sharon Stone may have higher IQ but it does nothing as a whole.

 

[Zara]

In any case, I find the IQ thing quite rubbish.

 

[Chadalina]

Sharon Stone may have higher IQ but it does nothing as a whole.

Iq is pretty meaningless as it is. I dont think it has any application to real life.

You dont think its interesting the woman from Basic Instinct (leg crossing scene) is only 6 pts lower than two of the greatest minds of our time? I think there are other "dumb blondes" in hollywood who are also super smart.

 

[Enga]

I haven't taken a real IQ test and don't plan to, ever. If I score high, that'll only boost my ego. If I score below average, I'll suffer from even more inferiority complex, and if I'm in the average range, I'll feel just "average". I also don't believe in an all-encompassing metric for intelligence.

Kinda a relief to me to be honest. Since I scored average, that takes a load of my shoulders. Everyone since I was a kid thought I was smart for some reason. Probably because of my silent arrogance, which in reality is just shyness being masked. I never really thought I was smart, but it would always confound and frustrate me why if I'm so smart, why I'm so average. And that explains why, I'm just average. All I've ever wanted to be.

 

[Zara]

Iq is pretty meaningless as it is. I dont think it has any application to real life.

You dont think its interesting the woman from Basic Instinct (leg crossing scene) is only 6 pts lower than two of the greatest minds of our time? I think there are other "dumb blondes" in hollywood who are also super smart.

No I don’t find it interesting at all. I’ll have to take the method of IQ test very seriously in order to take her seriously but I don’t. And I also don’t buy the idea of ‘dumb blondes’. People who are more focused on their looks tend to focus on other things much less; that doesn’t mean they are dumb. The idea is dumb if anything.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

He has a 160, same as stephen hawkings. Thats what makes sharon stone so interesting with her 154.

Steve Jobs is also reported to have an IQ of 160. Einstein never actually had his IQ measured with a test that we know of. Published scores for him are estimates. Some based on his thought experiments.

Many estimates put his IQ at 160. From what I've heard, 160 is actually the highest value that can be assigned by WAIS (WAIS-IV). Other estimates claim AE's IQ to be in the 160 to 190 range.

 

[Chadalina]

No I don’t find it interesting at all. I’ll have to take the method of IQ test very seriously in order to take her seriously but I don’t. And I also don’t buy the idea of ‘dumb blondes’. People who are more focused on their looks ten to focus on other things much less; that doesn’t mean they are dumb. The idea is dumb if anything.

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[Genious at Work]

@Gary Duane


https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/einsteins-life-facts-and-fiction#section_4

Albert Einstein:
Fact or Fiction?​

UPDATED:JAN 18, 2019
ORIGINAL:OCT 27, 2009
HISTORY.COM EDITORS


Is it true that Einstein was a lousy student?
In some ways, yes. When he was very young, Einstein’s parents worried that he had a learning disability because he was very slow to learn to talk. (He also avoided other children and had extraordinary temper tantrums.) When he started school, he did very well-he was a creative and persistent problem-solver-but he hated the rote, disciplined style of the teachers at his Munich school, and he dropped out when he was 15. Then, when he took the entrance examination for a polytechnic school in Zurich, he flunked. (He passed the math part, but failed the botany, zoology and language sections.) Einstein kept studying and was admitted to the polytechnic institute the following year, but even then he continued to struggle: His professors thought that he was smart but much too pleased with himself, and some doubted that he would graduate. He did, but not by much-which is how the young physicist found himself working in the Swiss Patent Office instead of at a school or university.


EDIT: The next article, from the Washington Post, gives a slightly different perspective on this.

Was Albert Einstein really a bad student who failed math?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...instein-really-a-bad-student-who-failed-math/

Thank you for these, but they really don't answer the question of whether he would have performed badly in an IQ test. I think that notion is outrageous though. He would have performed very well, likely. The guy was a genius regardless which subjects he liked or showed interest in. Also I don't think he suffered Asperger\s due to the broad range of interests he did show (Physics, Philosophy, etc.)

 

[Genious at Work]

I agree with you, but there is another aspect to this. I will admit reluctantly that I'm somewhere between confident and arrogant about my own thinking ability, and that causes me to totally fuzz out when I'm asked to do anything I think is stupid. To me IQ tests are stupid, so I can't focus. If you ask me to take a test, I immediately start to analyze the questions, and the moment I decide a question is stupid - or ambiguous - it sets off annoyance. Then if someone pushes me to continue, against my will. that annoyance turns to rage and I frankly want to destroy the person who is forcing me to do what I don't want to do.

Stupid questions infuriate me because to me it is a sign that someone who really IS stupid, or careless, somehow gets to monopolize my time.

You must love the DMV then.

Seriously, I do understand what you are saying. No doubt that proclivity to feel annoyed and irked to the point of losing concentration would taint any IQ scores for you. Then again, why would you care about an IQ score? You excel at what you do, and intelligence is an ability to adapt optimally to the environment. That being said, anybody who has had the opportunity to converse with you can tell you are a brilliant guy beyond the realm of music.

 

[Genious at Work]

That he was but you couldn't have timed him or forced him. A creative thinker who tends to think outside the box needs to relax a lot more and let things come to them. This is not the same as the mainstream thinkers.

Well, this is oversimplifying things a bit. I am sure there are creative thinkers that can be bothered to sit down and focus for the span of time that an IQ test lasts.

Also, he wasn't terrific in math and had to rely on his wife for calculations.

What you say, "he wasn't terrific in Math," is an impossibility. The man was a Physics genius and Physics is in large part based on Math. Algebraic calculations and the facility to perform them actually don't indicate anything in the knowledge of anything but the most basic Math. There are savants that can perform incredibly complicated calculations at a great speed who have no idea of very simple math concepts outside of the operations they can perform rather mechanically. Math is not really about calculations when you get past 8th Grade, but more about abstract concepts.

 

[Gary Duane]

You must love the DMV then.

Seriously, I do understand what you are saying. No doubt that proclivity to feel annoyed and irked to the point of losing concentration would taint any IQ scores for you.

I guess my only question is why other people don't feel the same way. In my teaching I'm always finding alternate ways of explaining things, or viewing things, and my best students often come up with strategies that are different. I always support their methods when they work. In fact, I make strong suggestions about how to approach learning music (verbalize the letter names, or the counting, or call out when the hands are the same, or call out fingering), but my last statement is that if they come in with things learned the next week, I don't care at all if they follow my thinking or their own. I've always worked great with young people, and that was true when I first started teaching in my late teens. The only people I had problems with were those in authority who obviously did not know what they were doing.

Then again, why would you care about an IQ score?

I don't. I REALLY don't at all. But I like to make my points about IQ for others who are intimidated or discouraged by finding out that SUPPOSEDLY they are not smart because a stupid test says so. I think it's important for all of us to discover our strengths and develop them, but also get acquainted with our "holes". We all have "holes". Holes are the areas in which we are very obviously challenged in areas that other people navigate easily. I have a profound weakness in visual memory, and that means that I can literally not describe where things are in my own home except when I'm looking around. I don't know what color the walls are.

Another weakness - and this I can't explain - is that untangling anything drives me insane. I also have an amazing hole re quoting words. I can't remember poetry, or text. I can't recite anything verbatim. I remember many years ago in Spanish class having to memorize dialogues, and I was utterly unable to do it. My ability to explain things and to sum up what I understand is probably stronger because I always have to use my own words. I seem to process things in pictures and concepts. Now, why I can't remember where the furniture is and yet find geometry extremely easy I can't explain either.

I think most of us have very high abilities, and very weak ones. There are those, of course, who seem to have many low ones or many high ones without the opposite. I just find the human brain fascinating but unexplainable. And now I see I just got a red line because this uppity spell check is telling me I have to type inexplicable.
You excel at what you do, and intelligence is an ability to adapt optimally to the environment. That being said, anybody who has had the opportunity to converse with you can tell you are a brilliant guy beyond the realm of music.
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[Gary Duane]

Thank you for these, but they really don't answer the question of whether he would have performed badly in an IQ test. I think that notion is outrageous though. He would have performed very well, likely. The guy was a genius regardless which subjects he liked or showed interest in. Also I don't think he suffered Asperger\s due to the broad range of interests he did show (Physics, Philosophy, etc.)

Asberger's - there are infinite degrees of anything. Have you read about Isaac Asimov? Here is a man who hardly left his apartment and loved enclosed spaces (Caves of Steel), but he wrote books on just about every imaginable subject. I think you can have a wee bit of anything. My grandson has Asperger's (now redefined as another label), and I'm a lot like him although we are not related by blood. He is my stepson's boy. I never flapped my hands. I was not unable to make eye contact, and I had very good coordination. But I was socially inept and had to learn about people. I'm very good "about people" now, but it took a long time. I think we still know very little about the brain and how we process things. I've read several biographies of Einstein, and he had quite a few very odd traits. Later in life some of the things he said made him appear very wise, but he made quite a mess of personal relationships for most of his life. He was not only very intelligent but also very complex. Put that together with a really intense need for space and autonomy - and a strong dislike of authority - and you get a unique human being.

 

[tennishabit]

Iq is pretty meaningless as it is. I dont think it has any application to real life.

You dont think its interesting the woman from Basic Instinct (leg crossing scene) is only 6 pts lower than two of the greatest minds of our time? I think there are other "dumb blondes" in hollywood who are also super smart.

lololololololol dat extra 6 pts earned dat guy quite a few nappies every day n the poor sharon lost her undies even at front of movie cameras only bcs the 6 pts short, mamohmam.........................

 

[Turbo-87]

My girlfriend is in the mid 150's so it balances out my 60 quite nicely as a couple.

 

[PistolPete23]

Well, this is oversimplifying things a bit. I am sure there are creative thinkers that can be bothered to sit down and focus for the span of time that an IQ test lasts.


What you say, "he wasn't terrific in Math," is an impossibility. The man was a Physics genius and Physics is in large part based on Math. Algebraic calculations and the facility to perform them actually don't indicate anything in the knowledge of anything but the most basic Math. There are savants that can perform incredibly complicated calculations at a great speed who have no idea of very simple math concepts outside of the operations they can perform rather mechanically. Math is not really about calculations when you get past 8th Grade, but more about abstract concepts.

He was a great thinker, but like many great scientific thinkers, math served primarily as a communicative medium so others in the scientific community can begin to understand the rationality behind the theories that weren’t intuitive to anyone else but Einstein. While I don’t think he was ever terrible at math, Einstein wasn’t as disciplined as his peers when it came to getting everything “right”. He had to hire a mathematician throughout much of his career to translate his physics into correct mathematical expressions.

 

[tennishabit]

my officially registered iq's -154, don't miss out dat '-', man.............dat's why i always wanted to meetup w/ sharon so her 154 can neutralize my -154 n reset to 0. but heard of she's got some kind of stroke n just wonder if she's still got 154 after dat:?)))......................

 

[Zara]

He was a great thinker, but like many great scientific thinkers, math served primarily as a communicative medium so others in the scientific community can begin to understand the rationality behind the theories that weren’t intuitive to anyone else but Einstein. While I don’t think he was ever terrible at math, Einstein wasn’t as disciplined as his peers when it came to getting everything “right”. He had to hire a mathematician throughout much of his career to translate his physics into correct mathematical expressions.

I read Einstein's biography a few years back that had a lot of key details. It's a known fact that Einstein struggled a great deal to find a job after graduation. He even had trouble getting a job as an assistant or substitute teacher. And thought about selling insurance instead. His father would apply for jobs for him but eventually he too gave up and thought, he'd (Einstein) never amount to anything or that he was a disgrace to the family. He never got to see Einstein's success as he passed away before Einstein became famous. Einstein was married at the time he took the job as the patent clerk and that's when he published his 4 papers and his wife who was great at math helped him out ironing the details of those papers especially the math portion. This is by no means mean that he was terrible at math but not to the level one would expect him to be. His special theory of relativity which later became the general theory of relativity is precisely for this reason as he found flaws in his calculations and was unable to correct it and spent nearly a decade to prove it. It was around the time when he was invited to present his theory in front of the most prestigious crowd of scientists, he was able to go back to one of his earlier calculations which he discarded but at the risk of one of the greatest mathematicians of all time David Hilbert almost arriving at the same equation of the same theory (he attended one of Einstien's rehearsals before the big presentation) while spending very little time on it. That's the difference between a theoretical physicist and mathematician. Theoretical physicists don't need to be mathematicians. They only need to come up with the theory as the most calculations are done in their head as part of the great thinkers but to put it on paper in mathematical terms and do the calculations in order to prove it, you need a mathematician.

 

[Chadalina]

my officially registered iq's -154, don't miss out dat '-', man.............dat's why i always wanted to meetup w/ sharon so her 154 can neutralize my -154 n reset to 0. but heard of she's got some kind of stroke n just wonder if she's still got 154 after dat:?)))......................

Ya its for her mind...

 

[Zara]

Einstien was a great fan of Mozart btw and loved playing the violin in his spare time when he needed to go away from his thoughts as he felt the mind needed a break and he felt music was the best to do it. This was part of the creative process he'd use. Do nothing for a while or do something relaxing that takes your mind completely away and then you go back to your thoughts only to discover something entirely new. He strongly felt about Mozart and thought it was in perfect harmony with the Universe. In other words, anything that was aligned with the Universe he'd feel a great pull towards it. That's why he said, 'I want to know God's thoughts, the rest are details'. He must have thought if God was behind all this then it might have had the greatest mind of all because the Universe was created out of pure imagination and Einstein was a big fan of imagination.

 

[Genious at Work]

He was a great thinker, but like many great scientific thinkers, math served primarily as a communicative medium so others in the scientific community can begin to understand the rationality behind the theories that weren’t intuitive to anyone else but Einstein. While I don’t think he was ever terrible at math, Einstein wasn’t as disciplined as his peers when it came to getting everything “right”. He had to hire a mathematician throughout much of his career to translate his physics into correct mathematical expressions.

He hired a mathematician? As opposed to collaborating with a peer in some University? You mean he actually paid a mathematician for his work? Is anythink known about that mathematician?

 

[tennishabit]

Ya its for her mind...

gr8 pic, man....................i like her undies when did she started wearing them:?))) still like her 'empress' new undies' better n miss dat so much, man...................

 

[Chadalina]

when did she started wearing them:?

Hopefully this morning...

She looks great for her age, hard to believe she is 61...

 

[Zara]

gr8 pic, man....................i like her undies when did she started wearing them:?))) still like her 'empress' new undies' better n miss dat so much, man...................

Sharon is famous for Basic Instinct but I actually liked her in Casino much better (another negative role but not as negative) and The Quick and The Dead (surprisingly good in this one).

 

[Tennease]

 

[Vcore89]

Enrico did all the heavy lifting and alberto got all the gelato because he was [truly] brilliant [when you're great, it's not hard for intelligent people to come and work for you], however, Enrico excelled experimentally and theoretically in ways others failed miserably.

 

[PistolPete23]

He hired a mathematician? As opposed to collaborating with a peer in some University? You mean he actually paid a mathematician for his work? Is anythink known about that mathematician?

Maybe “hire” is the wrong choice of words, my bad. I should give credit to the great mathematicians that co-authored his papers and helped him utilize tensor calculus to describe his general theory of relativity. As always in academia, the people doing the grunt work often don’t get enough credit. I’m not diminishing Einstein’s brilliance though, but the success of his accomplishments are more a team effort than most people realize.

 

[Zara]

It Is a team work as both UK and US helped him prove his theory based on those solar eclipse pictures but the theory itself belonged to Einstein only and it is one of the hardest to understand even today and it completely shattered Newton’s laws which were more deterministic. And Newton was Einstein’s hero.

 

[Genious at Work]

Asberger's - there are infinite degrees of anything. Have you read about Isaac Asimov? Here is a man who hardly left his apartment and loved enclosed spaces (Caves of Steel), but he wrote books on just about every imaginable subject. I think you can have a wee bit of anything. My grandson has Asperger's (now redefined as another label), and I'm a lot like him although we are not related by blood. He is my stepson's boy. I never flapped my hands. I was not unable to make eye contact, and I had very good coordination. But I was socially inept and had to learn about people. I'm very good "about people" now, but it took a long time. I think we still know very little about the brain and how we process things. I've read several biographies of Einstein, and he had quite a few very odd traits. Later in life some of the things he said made him appear very wise, but he made quite a mess of personal relationships for most of his life. He was not only very intelligent but also very complex. Put that together with a really intense need for space and autonomy - and a strong dislike of authority - and you get a unique human being.

That's a very good point, thank you. It is true Asperger's is a syndrome with a very large array of symptoms and different degrees of severity. I know of Asimov but didn't know much about his personal life. Interesting, as you say, that somebody so reclusive would write about such far off topics, so expansive in their concept and in their imagined settings. But I guess in a way it makes sense that someone so confined in his physical existence (albeit by his own choice) would, as an outlet, write about vast and outlandish (literally) themes.

Yeah, I didn't know Einstein had those problems in personal relationships, and the way he treated his wife is obviously showing some inner issues.

I suppose many people would consider me in the Asperger's spectrum too, although far less now than when I was a child. Social skills can be learnt too, but for me it was tough. Taking things literally used to be my curse, and I eventually realized that a high percentage of what people say is just BS, some kind of social grease to smooth out interaction. I used to have trouble figuring out people's protocols, which kind of sounds like the same problem you had. My worst nightmare used to be "little" talk.

 

[PistolPete23]

It Is a team work as both UK and US helped him prove his theory based on those solar eclipse pictures but the theory itself belonged to Einstein only and it is one of the hardest to understand even today and it completely shattered Newton’s laws which were more deterministic. And Newton was Einstein’s hero.

I think he had significant help even formulating his theories, but he should indeed receive credit for the bulk of his revolutionary ideas. Just on a side note, his theory of relativity didn't necessarily shatter Newton's laws; Newton's laws still work wonderfully on scales of time and space encountered by most in our human existence. Einstein's relativity works very well in describing the physics of massive objects across universal length scales. Incidentally, around the same era of relativity's success, much progress was being made in quantum mechanics to accurately describe phenomena on subatomic length scales. All three major bodies of theory - relativity, Newtonian physics, and quantum theory are incredibly accurate but their successes are limited to subsets of spatial dimensions and mass; on subatomic length scales, Einstein's theories failed miserably and vice versa for quantum mechanics on universal length scales. The holy grail in physics is a single, unifying theory.

History: Einstein was no lone genius - Nature

Lesser-known and junior colleagues helped the great physicist to piece together his general theory of relativity, explain Michel Janssen and Jürgen Renn.

www.nature.com

 

[tennishabit]

Sharon is famous for Basic Instinct but I actually liked her in Casino much better (another negative role but not as negative) and The Quick and The Dead (surprisingly good in this one).

gee u must watched a lot of movies, mam.............i stopped watching most movies longlonglong time ago as most of them sososo boring. only every now n then have a look at the highlights of oscar winners, if reasonably good i might watch the whole thing. daily tv news n some historical docos, ofc the sports matches are the 1s for me.................

 

[Sudacafan]

Aren't we all.

Hopefully.

 

[Genious at Work]

One time I took an IQ test and I was told my IQ was within a range of 60 to 160. Then my pet chimpanzee took it and he got the same result. What does it mean?

 

[Genious at Work]

I guess my only question is why other people don't feel the same way. In my teaching I'm always finding alternate ways of explaining things, or viewing things, and my best students often come up with strategies that are different. I always support their methods when they work. In fact, I make strong suggestions about how to approach learning music (verbalize the letter names, or the counting, or call out when the hands are the same, or call out fingering), but my last statement is that if they come in with things learned the next week, I don't care at all if they follow my thinking or their own. I've always worked great with young people, and that was true when I first started teaching in my late teens. The only people I had problems with were those in authority who obviously did not know what they were doing.

I don't. I REALLY don't at all. But I like to make my points about IQ for others who are intimidated or discouraged by finding out that SUPPOSEDLY they are not smart because a stupid test says so. I think it's important for all of us to discover our strengths and develop them, but also get acquainted with our "holes". We all have "holes". Holes are the areas in which we are very obviously challenged in areas that other people navigate easily. I have a profound weakness in visual memory, and that means that I can literally not describe where things are in my own home except when I'm looking around. I don't know what color the walls are.

Another weakness - and this I can't explain - is that untangling anything drives me insane. I also have an amazing hole re quoting words. I can't remember poetry, or text. I can't recite anything verbatim. I remember many years ago in Spanish class having to memorize dialogues, and I was utterly unable to do it. My ability to explain things and to sum up what I understand is probably stronger because I always have to use my own words. I seem to process things in pictures and concepts. Now, why I can't remember where the furniture is and yet find geometry extremely easy I can't explain either.

I think most of us have very high abilities, and very weak ones. There are those, of course, who seem to have many low ones or many high ones without the opposite. I just find the human brain fascinating but unexplainable. And now I see I just got a red line because this uppity spell check is telling me I have to type inexplicable.

Yes, very few people are good at everything. Some people seem to be more balanced than others also. It's funny you say that about visual memory, as that is also a "problem" I have. I don't know why. I just don't pay attention to things I guess. I just realized my room walls are a greyish blue.

Are you good at drawing? I'm going to guess no. I couldn't draw to save my life. I'm only good at schematics, but drawing a human face or body results in strange results. And another thing I am unable to do is orientation. Without a GPS I am lost. This is frustrating and amazing, as my father had the best sense of orientation I have ever witnessed anyone demonstrate in many occasions. I definitely didn't inherit that.

When you are so defficient at anything in particular it is easy to feel defective and incompetent, even if you excel in other areas. I have some OCD, so I obsess over those things. For people who have defficiencies in any area tested by an IQ test I suppose it would be the same or worse, since now you have a paper certifying you are a "substandard" person. I agree 100% with you, it's about finding the best ways to use what you have and to apply your abilites to do things YOUR way.

 

[movdqa]

I don't need to take a test. Sureshs wrote that I was "highly intelligent".

 

[Genious at Work]

Maybe “hire” is the wrong choice of words, my bad. I should give credit to the great mathematicians that co-authored his papers and helped him utilize tensor calculus to describe his general theory of relativity. As always in academia, the people doing the grunt work often don’t get enough credit. I’m not diminishing Einstein’s brilliance though, but the success of his accomplishments are more a team effort than most people realize.

Yes, but that type of collaboration is normal in the academic world. I think the credit to Einstein goes for conceptualizing these groundbreaking ideas more than actually for proving them.

 

[Gary Duane]

Yes, very few people are good at everything. Some people seem to be more balanced than others also. It's funny you say that about visual memory, as that is also a "problem" I have. I don't know why. I just don't pay attention to things I guess. I just realized my room walls are a greyish blue.

Are you good at drawing? I'm going to guess no.

Actually, at one time I was pretty good. I once did a 30 second sketch of a friend that was so good, he framed it. But I have to be looking at something. I can't draw anything without seeing something in front of me.

I couldn't draw to save my life. I'm only good at schematics, but drawing a human face or body results in strange results.

This brings up something strange. My father had great facial recognition. If we were watching a TV show or a movie, he would instantly recognize any bit player. He's say, "Oh, thats X. I remember him from Y." It must be genetic, because I have the same ability. If a former student comes to say hello, I will remember that student decades later. I also have amazing recall for each student. People are shocked how well I remember them.

Everything about memory is a mystery to me. Last night I was discussing Bohemian Rhapsody:

It starts off with Bb6/D, and I immediately remembered Mr. Sandman, which appeared in 1954. It starts almost the same way, but down 1/2 step, going up Amaj7 and back down A6. I thought it was in the same key, and it's really close. I don't have perfect pitch, but something really close to it.

And another thing I am unable to do is orientation. Without a GPS I am lost. This is frustrating and amazing, as my father had the best sense of orientation I have ever witnessed anyone demonstrate in many occasions. I definitely didn't inherit that.

I'm fine if I can view a map before taking a trip. I mentally photograph the whole thing. My wife uses GPS. I have huge problems with the words left/right, but I'm not dyslexic.

When you are so defficient at anything in particular it is easy to feel defective and incompetent, even if you excel in other areas. I have some OCD, so I obsess over those things.

I think there is serious OCD, but also "OCDness", which means you can function and other people will not realize it. In other words, there is a spectrum for that like everything else.

 

[Sudacafan]

One time I took an IQ test and I was told my IQ was within a range of 60 to 160. Then my pet chimpanzee took it and he got the same result. What does it mean?

Your chimp is very clever?