Where does Djokovic rank all time on grass?

[NoleFam]

Fed - 8 titles
Sampras 7/0 finals
Nole 5 titles and 5-1 against Fedal.
Borg 5 Titles .....

Not much different than mine but I think I would change my list and add Nadal in the top 10. His resurgence on grass in the last two years has been impressive.

 

[thrust]

Fed - 8 titles
Sampras 7/0 finals
Nole 5 titles and 5-1 against Fedal.
Borg 5 Titles .....

Sampras 7 titles out of 7 finals
Federer - 8 titles 4 losses
Nole- 5 titles - 3 over Fed, 1 over Nadal
Borg- 5 titles over lesser competition than Federer and Nadal.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Sampras 7 titles out of 7 finals
Federer - 8 titles 4 losses
Nole- 5 titles - 3 over Fed, 1 over Nadal
Borg- 5 titles over lesser competition than Federer and Nadal.

Borg won over Connors and Mac. At least with Nadal it is more than debatable whether they are really lesser competition. As for Federer, sure on paper it sounds great having beaten him in three Wimbledon finals but let’s remember it was not exactly the peak version of Fed which Nole beat.

 

[Tshooter]

 

[Mainad]

Sampras 7 titles out of 7 finals
Federer - 8 titles 4 losses
Nole- 5 titles - 3 over Fed, 1 over Nadal
Borg- 5 titles over lesser competition than Federer and Nadal.

Just occurred to me that Borg and Djokovic both stand at 5 wins and 1 loss with the 1 loss, in each case, coming against a player who had made his maiden final at Wimbledon the year before.

 

[World Beater]

Compared to djokovic, sampras had meh competition too at W.

Djokovic at 5 slams is below sampras right now overall but his performances in finals were so impressive against two other ATGs - Fed and Nadal.

 

[Cortana]

Djokovic beat the Wimbledon GOAT 3 times in a final, so he is clearly above Borg.

 

[The Shape-shifter]

Borg won over Connors and Mac. At least with Nadal it is more than debatable whether they are really lesser competition. As for Federer, sure on paper it sounds great having beaten him in three Wimbledon finals but let’s remember it was not exactly the peak version of Fed which Nole beat.

We can also argue that until McEnroe emerged late 1979, there weren't any top serve-and-volleyers after Newcombe faded away in 1975, a full year before Borg won his first Wimbledon.

 

[Mainad]

Djokovic beat the Wimbledon GOAT 3 times in a final, so he is clearly above Borg.

In fairness to Borg there weren't any Wimbledon GOATS still playing at that time apart from himself. Just 2 of his 5 winning finals were won against a previous Wimbledon champ (Connors) whilst Djokovic has 4 (Federer and Nadal).

 

[Lew II]

3-0 in Wimbledon finals against the Wimbledon GOAT is huge.

Imagine being 3-0 in RG finals against Nadal/Borg, or Sampras at Wimbledon, Djokovic at Australian...

 

[xFedal]

Sampras 7 titles out of 7 finals
Federer - 8 titles 4 losses
Nole- 5 titles - 3 over Fed, 1 over Nadal
Borg- 5 titles over lesser competition than Federer and Nadal.

Sounds reasonable.....

 

[xFedal]

3-0 in Wimbledon finals against the Wimbledon GOAT is huge.

Imagine being 3-0 in RG finals against Nadal/Borg, or Sampras at Wimbledon, Djokovic at Australian...

Which is why he is a giant at WIMBLEDON...... ICEMAN IS GRASS COURT MONSTER

 

[thrust]

Borg won over Connors and Mac. At least with Nadal it is more than debatable whether they are really lesser competition. As for Federer, sure on paper it sounds great having beaten him in three Wimbledon finals but let’s remember it was not exactly the peak version of Fed which Nole beat.

For some reason Connors could not beat Borg at Wimbledon, yet could beat him on US grass and green clay. I suppose the Wimbledon grass did not suit his game, as he was not primarily a serve and volley player. Whether Federer was at his peak losing to Novak, fact is tough, no other player was capable of beating Roger in those three finals of 14,15 and 19.

 

[The Shape-shifter]

n fairness to Borg there weren't any Wimbledon GOATS still playing at that time apart from himself. Just 2 of his 5 winning finals were won against a previous Wimbledon champ (Connors) whilst Djokovic has 4 (Federer and Nadal).

Actually, he faced zero Tier 1 serve-and-volleyers until 1980. Before Mac, the last top S&V player he faced was Newcombe in Tour Final 1974.

 

[fhdowntheline]

For that matter, nobody talks about Djokers career records the way they do for Fed Rafa, Sampras, Borg etc. Sad.

 

[thrust]

For that matter, nobody talks about Djokers career records the way they do for Fed Rafa, Sampras, Borg etc. Sad.

Sad, but true!

 

[robert.s]

Djokovic beat the Wimbledon GOAT 3 times in a final, so he is clearly above Borg.

He beat him late in his career. Lost in 2012 when Federer was younger. Would've probably lost to Federer in all years prior to that.

 

[Tarkovsky]

Laver, Borg, Connors, Federer and Djokovic reached 2500 and above ELO rating. Sampras reached 2499.

 

[maximus]

Open era? 4th all time, definitely.

With his recent win, got to bump him to 3rd.

 

[insideguy]

Pete was 7 for 7? Sheesh.

 

[Luka888]

1. Fed
2. Sampras
3. Djokovic, tougher competition than Borg
4. Borg, who is btw my favorite player ever but I have to be objective.

 

[DSH]

Would Sampras have won the title in 2001 if he had defeated Federer?

 

[The Shape-shifter]

Would Sampras have won the title in 2001 if he had defeated Federer?

Honest answer: No. His ROS sucked that year.

 

[BGod]

I think Novak highlights Sampras being better on grass than Federer. At least to me.

Right now given the 3-0 mark, despite Roger's advanced age, Novak can match Roger on grass with 2 more titles at Wimbledon.

 

[KG1965]

Grass ? Or only Wimbly ?

Grass

TIER 1: Fedr or Sampras
TIER 2: Laver or Mac (> Borg) or Djokovic

 

[thrust]

Grass ? Or only Wimbly ?

Grass

TIER 1: Fedr or Sampras
TIER 2: Laver or Mac (> Borg) or Djokovic

Laver should be in tier one, all time.