Where does Osaka rank all time in the open era? She's a weird case...

[tennisfan911]

Naomi Osaka has 4 grand slams, but those were the only times she's made it to the QF or better in the Grand Slams. How would you rank her among the 2 slam, 3 slam and 4 slam winners of the open era like Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce, Barty, Switeck, Halep , etc?

 

[itrium84]

Naomi Osaka has 4 grand slams, but those were the only times she's made it to the QF or better in the Grand Slams. How would you rank her among the 2 slam, 3 slam and 4 slam winners of the open era like Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce, Barty, Switeck, Halep , etc?

Below most of the girls you listed.

 

[tennisfan911]

Anyone you would put Osaka over though?

 

[tennis3]

Naomi Osaka has 4 grand slams, but those were the only times she's made it to the QF or better in the Grand Slams. How would you rank her among the 2 slam, 3 slam and 4 slam winners of the open era like Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce, Barty, Switeck, Halep , etc?

I don’t feel comfortable with questions like this. We shouldn't be ranking players against each other. Everyone is a human being. Everyone is equal.

 

[daggerman]

Naomi Osaka has 4 grand slams, but those were the only times she's made it to the QF or better in the Grand Slams. How would you rank her among the 2 slam, 3 slam and 4 slam winners of the open era like Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce, Barty, Switeck, Halep , etc?

Without giving it too much thought, I think I'd divide those players (and a few other 2-4 slam winners) into the following tiers, with some thought given to the ordering within tiers, as well.

Davenport
[Sanchez Vicario]
Clijsters
Swiatek

Azarenka
Capriati
Halep

Barty
Kvitova
Pierce

[Kerber]
Osaka
[Muguruza]

 

[Fiero425]

Without giving it too much thought, I think I'd divide those players (and a few other 2-4 slam winners) into the following tiers, with some thought given to the ordering within tiers, as well.

Davenport
[Sanchez Vicario]
Clijsters
Swiatek

Azarenka
Capriati
Halep

Barty
Kvitova
Pierce

[Kerber]
Osaka
[Muguruza]

Sorry, but many of these players shouldn't be on the radar of greatness! Azarenka is too much of choke artist w/ just 2 major wins over 10 years ago! Halep w/ 1 major is also not in the running even reaching #1 for a moment; esp. suspended due to doping! Kvitova won sporatically w/ 2 Majors, a YEC, Fed Cups, & Hopman Cup, but a better player than Halep & Azarenka! I was sorry to see Barty leave/retire so early! She had real potential! Even with just 3 Majors, I have a lot more respect for Kerber & Muguruza's 2; actually defeating Serena to take a couple of those majors!

 

[RaulRamirez]

Without giving it too much thought, I think I'd divide those players (and a few other 2-4 slam winners) into the following tiers, with some thought given to the ordering within tiers, as well.

Davenport
[Sanchez Vicario]
Clijsters
Swiatek

Azarenka
Capriati
Halep

Barty
Kvitova
Pierce

[Kerber]
Osaka
[Muguruza]

Pretty good list. I think Mandlikova (4) would be in the top group. I fully expect Swiatek to reach a higher level, but for now.
My sense is that Barty belongs to, at least, the second-highest group, and not sure if Kvitova has had a much better career than Muguruza - both very streaky. Virginia Wade also has three, and is maybe a third-tier player.

Quickly without poring over the records:
Highest Tier: Swiatek, Davenport, Mandlikova, Sanchez-Vicario, Clijsters
Second Tier: Barty, Kerber
Third: Osaka (I know she hasn't done that much outside those 4 majors, but), Wade, Azarenka, Capriati, Halep
Fourth: Kvitova, Mugu, Pierce

 

[Mainad]

Sorry, but many of these players shouldn't be on the radar of greatness! Azarenka is too much of choke artist w/ just 2 major wins over 10 years ago! Halep w/ 1 major is also not in the running even reaching #1 for a moment; esp. suspended due to doping! Kvitova won sporatically w/ 2 Majors, a YEC, Fed Cups, & Hopman Cup, but a better player than Halep & Azarenka! I was sorry to see Barty leave/retire so early! She had real potential! Even with just 3 Majors, I have a lot more respect for Kerber & Muguruza's 2; actually defeating Serena to take a couple of those majors!

Halep has 2 Majors and beat Serena for one of them (2019 Wimbledon).

 

[RaulRamirez]

Sorry, but many of these players shouldn't be on the radar of greatness! Azarenka is too much of choke artist w/ just 2 major wins over 10 years ago! Halep w/ 1 major is also not in the running even reaching #1 for a moment; esp. suspended due to doping! Kvitova won sporatically w/ 2 Majors, a YEC, Fed Cups, & Hopman Cup, but a better player than Halep & Azarenka! I was sorry to see Barty leave/retire so early! She had real potential! Even with just 3 Majors, I have a lot more respect for Kerber & Muguruza's 2; actually defeating Serena to take a couple of those majors!

Halep has two "slams", plus, I believe, three finals and four semis. Petra has 2, 1 and 4.. I think Halep was much more consistent.

 

[Fiero425]

Halep has 2 Majors and beat Serena for one of them (2019 Wimbledon).

Yeah, so memorable! It was like Serena was already on the plane home! IDK why she didn't retire then and there and leave the tour! It was a pathetic effort! Surprised no one really excoriated her for that pathetic final's performance for someone supposedly the greatest of all time! It was so embarrassing!

 

[Mainad]

Yeah, so memorable! It was like Serena was already on the plane home! IDK why she didn't retire then and there and leave the tour! It was a pathetic effort! Surprised no one really excoriated her for that pathetic final's performance for someone supposedly the greatest of all time! It was so embarrassing!

She still has 23 other titles including 7 Wimbledons for us to remember her by.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Without giving it too much thought, I think I'd divide those players (and a few other 2-4 slam winners) into the following tiers, with some thought given to the ordering within tiers, as well.

Davenport
[Sanchez Vicario]
Clijsters
Swiatek

Azarenka
Capriati
Halep

Barty
Kvitova
Pierce

[Kerber]
Osaka
[Muguruza]

Here's mine complete OE list:
Top Tier - Davenport, Clijsters, Vicario, Wade, Swiatek
High Tier - Azarenka, Kvitova, Halep, Barty
Mid Tier - Osaka, Mandlikova, Kuznetsova, Mauresmo, Kerber
Low Tier - Pierce, Li, Capriati, Muguruza

 

[Fiero425]

She still has 23 other titles including 7 Wimbledons for us to remember her by.

Serena has plenty to hang her hat on! I won't deny it, but compared to past champions like Navratilova, Evert, & BJK, she was a parttimer who came and went as she pleased short-changing her resume! Too often instead of working out, she'd play herself into shape in a tournament; sometimes the AO at the beginning of the season!

 

[RaulRamirez]

Promote Kvitova into Azarenka/Capriati/Halep tier and Kerber into Barty/Pierce tier and we agree...also i think Capriati is way too high in your tier list, i would drop her to Barty/Pierce tier as well...also Swiatek didn't do enough yet to be highest tier amonst Davenport, Clijsters and Vicario, i would also drop her down one tier below for now...

Of that group (as is) Swiatek has more weeks at #1 than all but Davenport, and she just turned 22. I think she more than belongs already.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Of that group (as is) Swiatek has more weeks at #1 than all but Davenport, and she just turned 22. I think she more than belongs already.

I edited my initial post out...it's mindboggling, reality shattering, space-time bending to even think, that there is gigantic group of 18 female individuals, who have never won more than 4 slams, but at the same time all have won more than just one compared to only 12, who have won 5 or more with vast majority of those 12 still not making it to double digits...

 

[mental midget]

Pretty good list. I think Mandlikova (4) would be in the top group. I fully expect Swiatek to reach a higher level, but for now.
My sense is that Barty belongs to, at least, the second-highest group, and not sure if Kvitova has had a much better career than Muguruza - both very streaky. Virginia Wade also has three, and is maybe a third-tier player.

Quickly without poring over the records:
Highest Tier: Swiatek, Davenport, Mandlikova, Sanchez-Vicario, Clijsters
Second Tier: Barty, Kerber
Third: Osaka (I know she hasn't done that much outside those 4 majors, but), Wade, Azarenka, Capriati, Halep
Fourth: Kvitova, Mugu, Pierce

imo barty was the best of the bunch. just a born athlete, wish she had stuck around. a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Mr.Lob]

7 total titles? Never out of the 3rd round at Wimbledon or French? Last.

 

[insideguy]

Yeah, so memorable! It was like Serena was already on the plane home! IDK why she didn't retire then and there and leave the tour! It was a pathetic effort! Surprised no one really excoriated her for that pathetic final's performance for someone supposedly the greatest of all time! It was so embarrassing!

Halep is/ was doped to the gills let us be honest.

 

[Robert F]

It's great she got 4 slams, but her longevity and hating on tennis puts her on the bottom of the list for me.
Miss her, wish she was able to commit to the sport.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Pretty good list. I think Mandlikova (4) would be in the top group. I fully expect Swiatek to reach a higher level, but for now.
My sense is that Barty belongs to, at least, the second-highest group, and not sure if Kvitova has had a much better career than Muguruza - both very streaky. Virginia Wade also has three, and is maybe a third-tier player.

Quickly without poring over the records:
Highest Tier: Swiatek, Davenport, Mandlikova, Sanchez-Vicario, Clijsters
Second Tier: Barty, Kerber
Third: Osaka (I know she hasn't done that much outside those 4 majors, but), Wade, Azarenka, Capriati, Halep
Fourth: Kvitova, Mugu, Pierce

I like quite a bit of these but have got some disagreements (and I did go over the records so no shame in your effort which was very good).

The big disagreement is Kerber in the second tier, one above Capriati and Osaka.
Both Kerber and Capriati have 3 slams, both won 14 titles. Things get different when you remember Capriati won Olympic gold (over Graf!) as well as two 1000 titles. Kerber only got Silver (losing to Puig) and has never won a 1000 title. Capriarti is above or the very least on the same tier as Kerber. Angie is not better in any metric from what I see.
Also, Osaka, she may only have 7 titles but 4 are slams and she also won two WTA 1000 titles including Indian Wells. Kerber, not one 1000 title. Does Kerber winning 7 more titles (none of which are 1000 level) make her better than Osaka despite Naomi having one more slam and 2 1000 titles? I say no.

Also, not getting the Kvitova underrating!
Let's have a look at some stats for the 4 active ladies on 2 slams (Kvitova, Halep, Muguruza and Azarenka)
Petra has the second most WTA titles of all active players with 30. Halep is at 24, Azarenka is at 21, Muguruza is only at 10.
Kvitova has 9 WTA1000 titles, the same as Halep. Azarenka has 10. Muguruza has 3.
Kvitova and Muguruza both also have a WTA Year end championship, Halep and Azarenka do not.
Kvitova and Azarenka both have an Olympic Bronze. Halep and Muguruza have no medal.
Azarenka and Kvitova's 2 slams were both at the same slam while Halep and Muguruza each won a Wimbledon and French Open.
Azarenka has 3 extra slam runner ups, Kvitova has 1, Halep has 3 and Muguruza has 2.

As for Pierce who also won 2 slams, both were different, she made 4 other finals, won 18 titles including 5 WTA1000s so i'd bump her up to Third too as she's clear of Muguruza.

I'd probably go:

Highest Tier: Swiatek, Davenport, Mandlikova, Sanchez-Vicario, Clijsters
Second Tier: Barty, Capriati
Third: Osaka, Kerber, Wade, Azarenka, Capriati, Halep, Kvitova, Pierce
Fourth: Muguruza

 

[nolefam_2024]

It's great she got 4 slams, but her longevity and hating on tennis puts her on the bottom of the list for me.
Miss her, wish she was able to commit to the sport.

Anyone who gives mental health reasons is on the bottom of the list for me. I watch tennis to see players like gods. Not some weak mentally crumbling Osaka.

 

[weakera]

I actually think she'll win more slams

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Anyone who gives mental health reasons is on the bottom of the list for me. I watch tennis to see players like gods. Not some weak mentally crumbling Osaka.

That's pretty funny because she's on 4 slams and never lost a slam final so she's pretty mentally strong in tennis. It's just sad, outdated people like who you can't handle people talking about mental health and think they should keep it all bottled in.

 

[roysid]

Naomi Osaka has 4 grand slams, but those were the only times she's made it to the QF or better in the Grand Slams. How would you rank her among the 2 slam, 3 slam and 4 slam winners of the open era like Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce, Barty, Switeck, Halep , etc?

It's on your title. She's a weird case.
She had the game to win 20+ slams.
But she couldn't deal with the tour and publicity that comes with it.
And now pregnant

 

[RaulRamirez]

I like quite a bit of these but have got some disagreements (and I did go over the records so no shame in your effort which was very good).

The big disagreement is Kerber in the second tier, one above Capriati and Osaka.
Both Kerber and Capriati have 3 slams, both won 14 titles. Things get different when you remember Capriati won Olympic gold (over Graf!) as well as two 1000 titles. Kerber only got Silver (losing to Puig) and has never won a 1000 title. Capriarti is above or the very least on the same tier as Kerber. Angie is not better in any metric from what I see.
Also, Osaka, she may only have 7 titles but 4 are slams and she also won two WTA 1000 titles including Indian Wells. Kerber, not one 1000 title. Does Kerber winning 7 more titles (none of which are 1000 level) make her better than Osaka despite Naomi having one more slam and 2 1000 titles? I say no.

Also, not getting the Kvitova underrating!
Let's have a look at some stats for the 4 active ladies on 2 slams (Kvitova, Halep, Muguruza and Azarenka)
Petra has the second most WTA titles of all active players with 30. Halep is at 24, Azarenka is at 21, Muguruza is only at 10.
Kvitova has 9 WTA1000 titles, the same as Halep. Azarenka has 10. Muguruza has 3.
Kvitova and Muguruza both also have a WTA Year end championship, Halep and Azarenka do not.
Kvitova and Azarenka both have an Olympic Bronze. Halep and Muguruza have no medal.
Azarenka and Kvitova's 2 slams were both at the same slam while Halep and Muguruza each won a Wimbledon and French Open.
Azarenka has 3 extra slam runner ups, Kvitova has 1, Halep has 3 and Muguruza has 2.

As for Pierce who also won 2 slams, both were different, she made 4 other finals, won 18 titles including 5 WTA1000s so i'd bump her up to Third too as she's clear of Muguruza.

I'd probably go:

Highest Tier: Swiatek, Davenport, Mandlikova, Sanchez-Vicario, Clijsters
Second Tier: Barty, Capriati
Third: Osaka, Kerber, Wade, Azarenka, Capriati, Halep, Kvitova, Pierce
Fourth: Muguruza

Very good list!!

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

Quite unusual for a 4 time slam winner to be on single digit career titles. It's a shame because if she were built like Swiatek between the ears, she'd probably be on 7-8 slams by now.

If we're taking career achievements into account, I'd put Swiatek, Barty, Davenport, Clijsters, Sanchez-Vicario, Pierce, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce and Halep above her.

Kerber (no 1000 titles and one less slam) just behind her, and Muguruza (10 titles in total) would be well below her.

Capriati is a tricky one. She has one less slam, the same number of 1000 titles, but has an OG, 10 slam SFs and 10 other QFs to her name at slam level. I'd probably just give it to Capriati. For some reason I thought Capriati won a lot more slams.

 

[thrust]

Serena has plenty to hang her hat on! I won't deny it, but compared to past champions like Navratilova, Evert, & BJK, she was a parttimer who came and went as she pleased short-changing her resume! Too often instead of working out, she'd play herself into shape in a tournament; sometimes the AO at the beginning of the season!

Whatever, the fact IS that Serena won 23 slams. Evert and Navratilova have 18, Therefore, tier one ATG chronologically are: Court, Evert, Navratilova, Graf and Serena. Tier 2: Bueno, King, Seles Goolagong, Henin, with Evonne being the weakest of the group having never ended a year at #1 and very few weeks at #1. She did, however, win over 60 tournaments and several YE championships and 7 slams.

 

[Robert F]

Anyone who gives mental health reasons is on the bottom of the list for me. I watch tennis to see players like gods. Not some weak mentally crumbling Osaka.

I have no issues with her having mental health issues, it was the way she handled things publicly. Almost with a sense of entitlement and what appeared to be little drive to work with others to find a better solution.

 

[Lozo1016]

It's weird to see her ranked so low on a forum where so many have pushed the idea that slams are the only thing that matters.

 

[bigbadboaz]

Look at the whole controversial package though. It's conceivable that someone who counts slams above all would still have a huge problem with her career as it stands.

 

[dkmura]

It's premature to rank Osaka anywhere until her playing career is well and truly done. She's capable of a comeback and we'll see what her results are after that.

 

[CHillTennis]

Naomi Osaka has 4 grand slams, but those were the only times she's made it to the QF or better in the Grand Slams. How would you rank her among the 2 slam, 3 slam and 4 slam winners of the open era like Clijsters, Davenport, Capriati, Azarenka, Kvitova, Pierce, Barty, Switeck, Halep , etc?

0-10. She is a quitter, whiner, and a drama queen.

 

[CHillTennis]

It's weird to see her ranked so low on a forum where so many have pushed the idea that slams are the only thing that matters.

It's because nobody likes her.

 

[bigbadboaz]

0-10. She is a quitter, whiner, and a drama queen.

Get ready for the thread delete.

 

[CHillTennis]

Get ready for the thread delete.

Probably. Unfortunately, some people can't handle the truth.

 

[zvelf]

Here are the 7 players whose careers began in the modern era who are above and below Osaka in ranking order in my opinion:

#1 Clijsters
#2 Davenport
#3 Sanchez Vicario
#4 Mandlikova
#5 Swiatek
#6 Barty
#7 Capriati
#8 Osaka
#9 Austin
#10 Mauresmo
#11 Kerber
#12 Sabatini
#13 Halep
#14 Kvitova
#15 Azarenka

Among active players at this point, I only see Swiatek and Osaka herself as being able to move up on this list.

 

[thrust]

Here are the 7 players whose careers began in the modern era who are above and below Osaka in ranking order in my opinion:

#1 Clijsters
#2 Davenport
#3 Sanchez Vicario
#4 Mandlikova
#5 Swiatek
#6 Barty
#7 Capriati
#8 Osaka
#9 Austin
#10 Mauresmo
#11 Kerber
#12 Sabatini
#13 Halep
#14 Kvitova
#15 Azarenka

Among active players at this point, I only see Swiatek and Osaka herself as being able to move up on this list.

#1- Serena
#2- Henin #3- Venus

 

[zvelf]

#1- Serena
#2- Henin #3- Venus

Nah, if we're going above Clijsters, the rankings are:

#1 Graf
#2 S. Williams
#3 Navratilova
#4 Evert
#5 Seles
#6 Henin
#7 V. Williams
#8 Hingis
#9 Sharapova
#10 Clijsters