Who is overall aggressive from the back of the court: Wawrinka or Agassi?

Who is overall aggressive from the back of the court: Wawrinka or Agassi?

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zill

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Who is relatively MORE aggressive from the back of the court?
 
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Kralingen

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I’m not sure if there’s a single baseliner born after 1980 who you could class as more aggressive than Agassi. I guess he has more restraint than the Thiem, Basilashvili, Dasco, Blake school of thought but in terms of aggressive court positioning, frankly, he’s almost in a class of his own.
 
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Tennisdoctors

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Kralingen said:
I’m not sure if there’s a single baseliner born after 1980 who you could class as more aggressive than Agassi. I guess he has more restraint than the Thiem, Basilashvili, Dasco, Blake school of thought but in terms of aggressive court positioning, frankly, he’s almost in a class of his own.
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Federer, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Safin in some order hanging in that same tier with Agassi?
 
skaj

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Kralingen said:
I’m not sure if there’s a single baseliner born after 1980 who you could class as more aggressive than Agassi. I guess he has more restraint than the Thiem, Basilashvili, Dasco, Blake school of thought but in terms of aggressive court positioning, frankly, he’s almost in a class of his own.
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Serena? Sharapova? Kvitova?
 
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Tennisdoctors

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skaj said:
Federer and Davydenko not as aggressive with their backhands. Nalbandian not as frequently aggressive, was an all court tactician with a lot of variety not just an offensive baseliner. Safin born in 1980.
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But Agassi is not a ballbasher as @Kralingen pointed out. He was talking positioning and davydenko federer and Safin never backed off the baseline Either
 
zill

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Kralingen said:
I’m not sure if there’s a single baseliner born after 1980 who you could class as more aggressive than Agassi. I guess he has more restraint than the Thiem, Basilashvili, Dasco, Blake school of thought but in terms of aggressive court positioning, frankly, he’s almost in a class of his own.
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Is there a reason for this you think? Is it better to hold back a bit? Or just a question of talent or lack of?
 
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ChrisRF

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BeatlesFan said:
Saying Andre's FH is a "bit sharper" is like saying Sampras' serve was a bit sharper than Diego Schwartzman's.
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It'a a matter of perspective I think. In the only thing that matters, Agassi's groundstrokes are much sharper indeed, namely when they are REACHING the opponent. He takes the ball early and stands close to the baseline. Wawrinka on the other hand MAY hit a sharper ball in the moment the ball makes contact with his racquet, but he stands further back and lets the balls fall down a bit. What reaches his opponent then has lesser impact. So Agassi takes more time away from the opponent.

It's the same reason why Federer's backhand (and not only because variations like slice) is usually still better than for example Gasquet's (and often even than Wawrinka's himself). He takes it early and therefore makes up for less power in the moment of the impact.
 
zill

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BeatlesFan said:
Saying Andre's FH is a "bit sharper" is like saying Sampras' serve was a bit sharper than Diego Schwartzman's.
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ChrisRF said:
It'a a matter of perspective I think. In the only thing that matters, Agassi's groundstrokes are much sharper indeed, namely when they are REACHING the opponent. He takes the ball early and stands close to the baseline. Wawrinka on the other hand MAY hit a sharper ball in the moment the ball makes contact with his racquet, but he stands further back and lets the balls fall down a bit. What reaches his opponent then has lesser impact. So Agassi takes more time away from the opponent.

It's the same reason why Federer's backhand (and not only because variations like slice) is usually still better than for example Gasquet's (and often even than Wawrinka's himself). He takes it early and therefore makes up for less power in the moment of the impact.
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skaj said:
Agassi goes for it more, caches the ball early, hits it with all he's got, and his forehand is a bit sharper
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I still don’t get what ‘sharper’ means in this context. Does it mean cleaner?
 
Olli Jokinen

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The Blond Blur said:
They’re both aggressive baseliners, but Agassi was far moar aggressive with his positioning. His insane ability to take the ball on the rise better than just about anyone to ever play the game took so much time away from his opponents.
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Yes, I think you could compare the styles of Lendl and Wawrinka. Both are aggressive but they don't take the ball on the rise like Agassi. Both very good at point construction.
 
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Agassi has better shot-selection than Wawrinka, so even though Agassi has more aggressive court positioning than Wawrinka, Agassi may play longer rallies than Wawrinka because he's more disciplined and more organized than Wawrinka :happydevil:
 
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Blahovic

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Agassi was more aggressive but Wawrinka was much more powerful, so when he goes after the ball he can produce spin and power that Agassi never could.
 
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Wawrinka is known for making a flurry of cheap errors and losing a lopsided set, whereas Agassi (at least after he matured) would more often grind when he's not playing great (winning ugly as Brad Gilbert penned it), although early in his career Agassi was a tanker :happydevil:
 
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There is a difference in the players that Wawrinka and Agassi played against. I think in the 90's players liked shorter points, and played more aggressive inside. Wawrinka plays against players who stay back and try to extend points longer. They both play inside the baseline at times, and both are sometimes happy to let points go longer. But I think Agassi is more a counter puncher, and Wawrinka is more first strike. The difference being, Agassi would wait for an opening and pounce on it, while Wawrinka would try to create openings even if there were none.
 
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Enga said:
There is a difference in the players that Wawrinka and Agassi played against. I think in the 90's players liked shorter points, and played more aggressive inside. Wawrinka plays against players who stay back and try to extend points longer. They both play inside the baseline at times, and both are sometimes happy to let points go longer. But I think Agassi is more a counter puncher, and Wawrinka is more first strike. The difference being, Agassi would wait for an opening and pounce on it, while Wawrinka would try to create openings even if there were none.
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Watch Agassi vs Nadal. Agassi was striking first.
 
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zill said:
Watch Agassi vs Nadal. Agassi was striking first.
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Yeah Agassi looked so slow vs. Nadal, he had no choice but to strike first. Plus that version of Nadal was very defensive :happydevil:
 
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They are agressive in totally different ways. Atleast referring to late career Agassi, early career Agassi was perhaps even more first strike. Late career Agassi uses his great power and impeccable timing and ball control to torment guys from the baseline, not going for many outright winners soon, but bullying them around the baseline in extensive rallies. Brad Gilbert instilled that mentality in him. Wawrinka likes to go for winners as early in points as he can and more outright winners so in that sense is more agressive, but it is really a different approach entirely.
 
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Dude just look at Andre’s court positioning. He was right there to take the ball just off the ground, taking precious time away from the opponent. That’s aggression.

Stan needs time to wind up his shots which is why he tends to thrive on slower surfaces. Thiem takes after him. Their actual groundstrokes are quite aggressive but their court positioning isn’t.
 
Jaitock1991

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Assuming they're both playing at their best. They're different.

Agassi took time away from his opponent mainly through his aggressive court positioning and compact swings of both wings, enabling him to take the ball earlier than anyone probably both before and since.

Stanimal stands considerably further back than him so will not be able to take the ball nearly as early, but through his big swings he's able to generate significantly higher ball speed on average, and when zoning is also very accurate and consistent.

The end result is the same all though achieved in different ways; the opponent is rushed and pretty much hit off the court.
 
ibbi

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Agassi with those slap returns and taking the ball on the rise you'd put against anybody ever in terms of being an on the front foot kind of guy. Of course, he also played in an age for it, which Stan does not.
 
Aabye5

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Nishikori is more aggressive than Stan. He just doesn't have the same amount of power.

There. I said it.
 
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