Who was the better hard-court player, 2004 Andre Agassi or 2023 Novak Djokovic?

Who was the better hard-court player, 2004 Andre Agassi or 2023 Novak Djokovic?


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zvelf

Hall of Fame
2004 Andre Agassi on hard court:

37 wins to 10 losses: 78.7% win percentage
5-3 vs top 10 players: 62.5% win percentage
Top 10 wins: #10 Grosjean, #4 Coria, #4 Moya, #2 Roddick, #10 Hewitt
Top 10 losses: #1 Federer, #1 Federer, #9 Safin
Non-top 10 losses: #86 Safin, #21 Fish, #21 Calleri, #91 Haas, #61 Melzer, #124 Muller, #42 Johansson
Won 0 slams, but reached the SF at the Australia Open and the QF at the U.S. Open
Won 1 Master 1000: Cincinnati. Agassi won no other hard-court tournaments in 2004.

2023 Novak Djokovic on hard court:

38 wins to 3 losses: 92.7% win percentage
13-3 vs top 10 players: 81.3% win percentage
Top 10 wins: #3 Medvedev, #6 Rublev, #4 Tsitsipas, #9 Fritz, #1 Alcaraz, #9 Fritz, #3 Medvedev, #6 Rune, #5 Rublev, #8 Rune, #9 Hurkacz, #2 Alcaraz, #4 Sinner
Top 10 losses: #7 Medvedev, #4 Sinner, #4 Sinner
Non-top 10 losses: None
Won 2 slams: Australian Open and U.S. Opens
Won 2 Master 1000s: Cincinnati and Paris
Won the YEC ATP Final. Djokovic also won Adelaide, winning 6 of the 7 hard-court tournaments he entered.
 

UnforcedTerror

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Eh? I don't think this one is even up for debate.

Djokovic played at a very high level the whole season. Scary even at the later rounds of AO, USO and YEC.

He had no significant loss in all big tournaments he played.

Even the one he lost to Sinner in Turin was pointless since he went on to beat Sinner in the final to take the title.

I mean, c'mon. Lol.

Inb4 abmk... tick tock...
 
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abmk

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Obviously 2004 Agassi.
significantly better at AO and USO.
cruised through all rounds before it took peak safin and peak fed 5 sets each to beat him.
Djokovic 23 would've been taken out in 4 sets tops by either.

Djokovic also skipped Indian Wells, Miami, Canada in 2023 where he hasn't won after 2016
Djokovic being a little more consistent in other events doesn't matter anywhere as much.
given the field in 2023 is much much weaker than field in 2004 and Agassi was playing well in Indian Wells, Cincy, Madrid in 04 anyway.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Obviously 2004 Agassi.
significantly better at AO and USO.
cruised through all rounds before it took peak safin and peak fed 5 sets each to beat him.
Djokovic 23 would've been taken out in 4 sets tops by either.

Djokovic also skipped Indian Wells, Miami, Canada in 2023 where he hasn't won after 2016
Djokovic being a little more consistent in other events doesn't matter anywhere as much.
given the field in 2023 is much much weaker than field in 2004 and Agassi was playing well in Indian Wells, Cincy, Madrid in 04 anyway.
In a 10 match series how many wins does 2023 Djokovic get over 2004 Agassi at AO and USO?
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Obviously 2004 Agassi.
significantly better at AO and USO.
cruised through all rounds before it took peak safin and peak fed 5 sets each to beat him.
Djokovic 23 would've been taken out in 4 sets tops by either.

Djokovic also skipped Indian Wells, Miami, Canada in 2023 where he hasn't won after 2016
Djokovic being a little more consistent in other events doesn't matter anywhere as much.
given the field in 2023 is much much weaker than field in 2004 and Agassi was playing well in Indian Wells, Cincy, Madrid in 04 anyway.
First, that AO Safin was not peak Safin. That was #86 in the world Safin who was taken to 5 sets by 33-year old #66 Todd Martin and lost sets in every match on his way to the final while playing #84 Vahaly, #37 Nieminen, #66 Martin, and #39 Blake. His only signature wins were against Roddick in 5 sets and against 33-year old Agassi before getting beaten by Federer rather easily in the final. 2004 was such a peak Safin that although he reached the AO final, he lost 4th round at RG and 1st round at both Wimbledon and the USO.

Second, Djokovic didn't choose to skip Indian Wells and Miami. He couldn't enter the U.S. It doesn't matter anyway. There is no reason to believe Djokovic would have lost early at either had he played. Agassi only played 6 more hard-court matches in 2004 than Djokovic in 2024. Agassi didn't beat anyone notable at either Indian Wells or Madrid before losing both. Agassi didn't beat any top 10 players at either the AO or USO except for #10 Grosjean and Grosjean retired early in the second set! So Agassi's only great tournament was Cincinnati. Djokovic won Cincinatti (in a classic match against Alcaraz) along with 2 HC slams, Paris, and the YEC! It's not even close. The only thing you got for Agassi is that he won 2 sets against #86 Safin and #1 Federer while losing both matches and that somehow trumps all of Djokovic's 2023? That's crazy talk.
 
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Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Dumb comparison. How many players won the AO, the USO, the WTF and 2 Hard courts Masters1000 in 1 season? The list is very short. Very few did it twice. Djokovic in 2023 and 2015, Federer did it 3 times (2004 2006 2007).

Djokovic is the hard court goat, I don't think that's up do debate. Outdoor hard court goat without a doubt but now with this 7th WTF crown he is also the indoors hard court goat. I have nothing bad to say about Agassi but he isn't playing in the same galaxy.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Dumb comparison. How many players won the AO, the USO, the WTF and 2 Hard courts Masters1000 in 1 season? The list is very short. Very few did it twice. Djokovic in 2023 and 2015, Federer did it 3 times (2004 2006 2007).

Djokovic is the hard court goat, I don't think that's up do debate. Outdoor hard court goat without a doubt but now with this 7th WTF crown he is also the indoors hard court goat. I have nothing bad to say about Agassi but he isn't playing in the same galaxy.
Read the title again and stop getting hysterical.

It's not about career achievements. The question who is the better player HC player...Dre 2004 or Nole 2023
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
2004 Andre Agassi on hard court:

37 wins to 10 losses: 78.7% win percentage
5-3 vs top 10 players: 62.5% win percentage
Top 10 wins: #10 Grosjean, #4 Coria, #4 Moya, #2 Roddick, #10 Hewitt
Top 10 losses: #1 Federer, #1 Federer, #9 Safin
Non-top 10 losses: #86 Safin, #21 Fish, #21 Calleri, #91 Haas, #61 Melzer, #124 Muller, #42 Johansson
Won 0 slams, but reached the SF at the Australia Open and the QF at the U.S. Open
Won 1 Master 1000: Cincinnati. Agassi won no other hard-court tournaments in 2004.

2023 Novak Djokovic on hard court:

38 wins to 3 losses: 92.7% win percentage
13-3 vs top 10 players: 81.3% win percentage
Top 10 wins: #3 Medvedev, #6 Rublev, #4 Tsitsipas, #9 Fritz, #1 Alcaraz, #9 Fritz, #3 Medvedev, #6 Rune, #5 Rublev, #8 Rune, #9 Hurkacz, #2 Alcaraz, #4 Sinner
Top 10 losses: #7 Medvedev, #4 Sinner, #4 Sinner
Non-top 10 losses: None
Won 2 slams: Australian Open and U.S. Opens
Won 2 Master 1000s: Cincinnati and Paris
Won the YEC ATP Final. Djokovic also won Adelaide, winning 6 of the 7 hard-court tournaments he entered.
Agassi of the 2004 US Open would defeat Djokovic of the 2023 US Open.
And an eventual match between both versions at the Australian Open would be a toss-up.
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DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Consistency wise Novak but Novak's draws were so weak that it's impossible to figure out his true level last year .
Safin of 2004 ........................... Tsitsipas of 2023.
Peak Federer is a hundred times better that of Medvedev's version from last year.
:D
 

nolefam_2024

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Miscreants again
Dumb comparison. How many players won the AO, the USO, the WTF and 2 Hard courts Masters1000 in 1 season? The list is very short. Very few did it twice. Djokovic in 2023 and 2015, Federer did it 3 times (2004 2006 2007).

Djokovic is the hard court goat, I don't think that's up do debate. Outdoor hard court goat without a doubt but now with this 7th WTF crown he is also the indoors hard court goat. I have nothing bad to say about Agassi but he isn't playing in the same galaxy.
 

Razer

Legend
Djokovic at the Aus open, Agassi at the US Open & especially if there is heavy wind blowing.

2004 Agassi would be the US Open champion if not for Peak Federer who double bageled Lleyton Hewitt.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Andre at Slams. Yes really, I wasn’t too impressed with Djoker at the USO and while he made mincemeat of the AO, give Andre a draw of De MUGaur and Paul Tommy and Tsitsipas and I guarantee you he wins the AO

Novak had a stronger indoor season and was more consistent obviously.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
The only thing you got for Agassi is that he won 2 sets against #86 Safin and #1 Federer while losing both matches and that somehow trumps all of Djokovic's 2023? That's crazy talk.

Safin looks like a world #86 here that’s for sure. Played like a total mug this match.


Now Tommy Paul… that’s a real opponent.
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Consistency wise Novak but Novak's draws were so weak that it's impossible to figure out his true level last year .
Djokovic beat top-10 players 13 times including Alcaraz and Sinner and lost to no one outside of the top 7 the entire year. Agassi beat top-10 players a mere 5 times (one of those in a second set retirement) and lost 7 times to players outside of the top 20. Whatever Djokovic's level was, it was higher than Agassi's.
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Safin looks like a world #86 here that’s for sure. Played like a total mug this match.

Now Tommy Paul… that’s a real opponent.
Even if Safin was playing great, Agassi LOST. Djokovic was supposed to win and he did and easily at that. But more to the point, even if Agassi peaked in two matches that he lost, that wasn't his level the rest of the year, which was plainly lower than Djokovic's average level.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic beat top-10 players 13 times including Alcaraz and Sinner and lost to no one outside of the top 7 the entire year. Agassi beat top-10 players a mere 5 times (one of those in a second set retirement) and lost 7 times to players outside of the top 20. Whatever Djokovic's level was, it was higher than Agassi's.

Look I am neutral in this matter and even liked some of your comments but his draw at slams especially at USO was a joke, all players were kept in another half to kill each other and he faced the winner of that half in fina while he was fresh for the final, his AO draw was also joke. Also at RG only tough player he faced was Carlos and after set 2 it was basically a bye for him , same story at Wimbledon and only good player he played he lost to. I am not gonna judge his slams level by joke of draw, overall his consistency was very high but at slams his draws tell us no real picture.
 
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Even if Safin was playing great, Agassi LOST. Djokovic was supposed to win and he did and easily at that. But more to the point, even if Agassi peaked in two matches that he lost, that wasn't his level the rest of the year, which was plainly lower than Djokovic's average level.
That's not really true. Let's take rest of the results:
  • Cincinatti: both won, but Agassi played way better in the SF and F
  • IW vs Paris Masters: Agassi lost to Fed in 3 sets, Djoko won it, but struggled against Rublev and Rune
  • Madrid Masters vs YEC: Agassi lost 6-3 7-6 to Safin, who was in great shape, Novak struggled in the RR, but raised his level nicely in the SF and F
I would say Agassi was significantly better in Cincy and USO that year and arguably the same level or even a touch above at the rest of the events.

Now there is no shame in that, Agassi was 34, but had a low millage, it was like comparing him to 2019 Djoko or 2015 Serena in terms of tennis age, so he was still capable of playing great tennis, while 2023 Djoko finished the season aged 36.5.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Posters that said Djokovic would never win the Slam race, or said he was done and wouldn't come back to the top after the 2022 AO debacle refuse to kiss the ring. Haha. Agassi barely got by Fish and Roddick in Cincy. Do you honestly believe he would beat energizer bunny Alcaraz in the final? Do you really think Safin would ace Djokovic 33 times while only serving 55%? Djokovic did something at 36 nobody ever did while playing guys with a serious age advantage. Djokovic is the superior athlete at the ages they were in 2004 and 2023 respectively, and the difference is not small.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
First, that AO Safin was not peak Safin. That was #86 in the world Safin who was taken to 5 sets by 33-year old #66 Todd Martin and lost sets in every match on his way to the final while playing #84 Vahaly, #37 Nieminen, #66 Martin, and #39 Blake. His only signature wins were against Roddick in 5 sets and against 33-year old Agassi before getting beaten by Federer rather easily in the final. 2004 was such a peak Safin that although he reached the AO final, he lost 4th round at RG and 1st round at both Wimbledon and the USO.

again, 5th grader talk from someone who just googled with no idea of actual tennis
Safin hit peak form from 2nd set of Roddick match and carried that on into the semi vs agassi.
that AO 2004 semi is an all time classic.
since you haven't watched, you have no idea.

Second, Djokovic didn't choose to skip Indian Wells and Miami. He couldn't enter the U.S. It doesn't matter anyway. There is no reason to believe Djokovic would have lost early at either had he played. Agassi only played 6 more hard-court matches in 2004 than Djokovic in 2024. Agassi didn't beat anyone notable at either Indian Wells or Madrid before losing both. Agassi didn't beat any top 10 players at either the AO or USO except for #10 Grosjean and Grosjean retired early in the second set! So Agassi's only great tournament was Cincinnati. Djokovic won Cincinatti (in a classic match against Alcaraz) along with 2 HC slams, Paris, and the YEC! It's not even close. The only thing you got for Agassi is that he won 2 sets against #86 Safin and #1 Federer while losing both matches and that somehow trumps all of Djokovic's 2023? That's crazy talk.
Djokovic would have lost at IW/Miami 23 most likely at some phase. hasn't won since 2016.
agassi blitzed through everyone else at AO/USO AND played great vs safin/fed.

AO, USO, Cincy, IW, Madrid all good-great tourneys for agassi

when you are a blinded Djoko--bot , with no idea of how well agassi was playing at AO 2004/USO 04, you will talk nonsense like this.
djoko 23 would be CRUSHED by peak safin and peak fed. it wouldn't be remotely close.

and LMAO @ classic cincy 23 final ...quality was meh and djoko should have lost in straights. one good set (3rd set) does not mean good quality overall.
either of agassi or hewitt or roddick of Cincy 04 would have crushed that djoko in straights.
 
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Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
First, that AO Safin was not peak Safin. That was #86 in the world Safin who was taken to 5 sets by 33-year old #66 Todd Martin and lost sets in every match on his way to the final while playing #84 Vahaly, #37 Nieminen, #66 Martin, and #39 Blake. His only signature wins were against Roddick in 5 sets and against 33-year old Agassi before getting beaten by Federer rather easily in the final. 2004 was such a peak Safin that although he reached the AO final, he lost 4th round at RG and 1st round at both Wimbledon and the USO.
This is missing a lot of context which is what usually happens in a mostly rankings-based analysis.

Safin was #86 in the world not based on form but because he missed a good chunk of 2003 due to injury. As such, the ranking is pretty much irrelevant here.

What is also irrelevant is dropping lots of sets early on. Even peak Safin did this a lot, which certainly dents the argument that 2004 AO Safin wasn't peak Safin. For instance, he went five against Pozzi (an even bigger no-name than all of the four players mentioned in bold) in the second round of the 2000 US Open, and he also went five the next match against Grosjean. So what? It certainly didn't stop him from laying down an all-time great beatdown of Sampras in the final. Safin didn't get into any five-setters in the 2005 AO but he barely survived Rochus in basically a quasi-five-setter (lost the first set 4-6 and won the next three in tiebreaks). Also lost a set to Ancic the round before. It's just a guess, but I'd figure this middling form didn't exactly carry over to the semifinal with Federer.

Safin didn't really get into his groove until later in the tournament (a habit hardly unique to him, although he was a rather extreme case of it). And he started getting into his groove in the Roddick match. By the time we get to Agassi, he's in free flow. The 2005 AO semifinal with Federer is held up as one of the highest quality matches of all time, and for good reason, but Safin-Agassi came close to that level for the first three sets. After that, Safin pretty much took the reins, although he was gassed in the final after a tough draw that stemmed directly from his low ranking.

The other Slams are, again, irrelevant. Do note that your very own OP specifies hard courts, so if we're looking at Agassi's performance on hard courts, why bring up his opponent's performances at RG and Wimbledon? Safin was no big deal on clay and grass; it was clear that hard courts were where he excelled. I wouldn't use RG to make any claims about peak Sampras, for instance. Plus, he wasn't exactly the most consistent of players, so using a full season to talk about how well he played in one individual match/tournament is gonna get you pretty far off the mark in most cases. When we talk about a match, let's try to stick as close to that match as possible.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Posters that said Djokovic would never win the Slam race, or said he was done and wouldn't come back to the top after the 2022 AO debacle refuse to kiss the ring. Haha. Agassi barely got by Fish and Roddick in Cincy. Do you honestly believe he would beat energizer bunny Alcaraz in the final? Do you really think Safin would ace Djokovic 33 times while only serving 55%? Djokovic did something at 36 nobody ever did while playing guys with a serious age advantage. Djokovic is the superior athlete at the ages they were in 2004 and 2023 respectively, and the difference is not small.
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NatF

Bionic Poster
Djokovic more steady but Agassi was probably better in the slams and at least a couple of the masters.
 
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Agassi. I don’t think 2023 Djoker is taking 2004 Federer to 5 sets. Djokers level really wasn’t even that great last year outside of Australia. And some parts of cincinatri. There was just no prime sinner around yet and Carlos pretty much sucked after Wimbledon and pretty much hasn’t been right since
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Posters that said Djokovic would never win the Slam race, or said he was done and wouldn't come back to the top after the 2022 AO debacle refuse to kiss the ring. Haha. Agassi barely got by Fish and Roddick in Cincy. Do you honestly believe he would beat energizer bunny Alcaraz in the final? Do you really think Safin would ace Djokovic 33 times while only serving 55%? Djokovic did something at 36 nobody ever did while playing guys with a serious age advantage. Djokovic is the superior athlete at the ages they were in 2004 and 2023 respectively, and the difference is not small.
2023 Djokovic vs 2004 Agassi 10 matches at AO and USO?
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Andre at Slams. Yes really, I wasn’t too impressed with Djoker at the USO and while he made mincemeat of the AO, give Andre a draw of De MUGaur and Paul Tommy and Tsitsipas and I guarantee you he wins the AO

Novak had a stronger indoor season and was more consistent obviously.
Answer question on post 33.
 

mike danny

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Posters that said Djokovic would never win the Slam race, or said he was done and wouldn't come back to the top after the 2022 AO debacle refuse to kiss the ring. Haha. Agassi barely got by Fish and Roddick in Cincy. Do you honestly believe he would beat energizer bunny Alcaraz in the final? Do you really think Safin would ace Djokovic 33 times while only serving 55%? Djokovic did something at 36 nobody ever did while playing guys with a serious age advantage. Djokovic is the superior athlete at the ages they were in 2004 and 2023 respectively, and the difference is not small.
The same energizer bunny Alcaraz that let a Djokovic struggling in the heat completely off the hook?
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
That was my response when I read the predictable responses in here. :sneaky:
The same energizer bunny Alcaraz that let a Djokovic struggling in the heat completely off the hook?
So you believe Agassi who pulled out of Wimbledon and Indianapolis with a hip injury right before Canada and Cincy, and struggled against Roddick and Fish, both who were upset at the USO, is going to beat much younger #1 Alcaraz who is far superior physically? Some of you are stuck in time.
 

Phenomenal

Hall of Fame
2004 Andre Agassi on hard court:

37 wins to 10 losses: 78.7% win percentage
5-3 vs top 10 players: 62.5% win percentage
Top 10 wins: #10 Grosjean, #4 Coria, #4 Moya, #2 Roddick, #10 Hewitt
Top 10 losses: #1 Federer, #1 Federer, #9 Safin
Non-top 10 losses: #86 Safin, #21 Fish, #21 Calleri, #91 Haas, #61 Melzer, #124 Muller, #42 Johansson
Won 0 slams, but reached the SF at the Australia Open and the QF at the U.S. Open
Won 1 Master 1000: Cincinnati. Agassi won no other hard-court tournaments in 2004.

2023 Novak Djokovic on hard court:

38 wins to 3 losses: 92.7% win percentage
13-3 vs top 10 players: 81.3% win percentage
Top 10 wins: #3 Medvedev, #6 Rublev, #4 Tsitsipas, #9 Fritz, #1 Alcaraz, #9 Fritz, #3 Medvedev, #6 Rune, #5 Rublev, #8 Rune, #9 Hurkacz, #2 Alcaraz, #4 Sinner
Top 10 losses: #7 Medvedev, #4 Sinner, #4 Sinner
Non-top 10 losses: None
Won 2 slams: Australian Open and U.S. Opens
Won 2 Master 1000s: Cincinnati and Paris
Won the YEC ATP Final. Djokovic also won Adelaide, winning 6 of the 7 hard-court tournaments he entered.
Idk what is the point of asking this question?
 
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Phenomenal

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To get hypothetical Djokovic to lose a match
Looks like OP is aware Djokovic's season much better atleast by stats. Idk what OP trying to prove.

Why not find a better year for Agassi and make it more interesting and compare.
Weak competition or not this huge gap can't be explained by competition or anything.

More like giving him a win.
 
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nolefam_2024

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Looks like OP is aware Djokovic's season much better atleast by stats. Idk what OP trying to prove.

Why not find a better year for Agassi and make it more interesting and compare.
Weak competition or not this huge gap can't be explained by competition or anything.

More like giving him a win.
And yet the dishonest of the board all chose Andre. If people start voting honestly this board will lose traffic by 90%
 

NoleFam

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NoleFam answer. Would like to know. :)
I'm not really interested in that tbh. To be fair to Agassi, he struggled with a hip injury that year both in the middle of the year and at the end. Other than Djokovic's hamstring tear in Australia, he didn't have any physical issues and not a serious one like that. Physically and athletically is just one area where Djokovic has the advantage.
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Obviously 2004 Agassi.
significantly better at AO and USO.
cruised through all rounds before it took peak safin and peak fed 5 sets each to beat him.
Djokovic 23 would've been taken out in 4 sets tops by either.

Djokovic also skipped Indian Wells, Miami, Canada in 2023 where he hasn't won after 2016
Djokovic being a little more consistent in other events doesn't matter anywhere as much.
given the field in 2023 is much much weaker than field in 2004 and Agassi was playing well in Indian Wells, Cincy, Madrid in 04 anyway.
Obviously not Agassi since there was nothing peak about Safin that year and Agassi beat a wc, then qualifier, then unseeded Enqvist, 13th seed Schriachpan in 4th rd(a player that never went past 4th rd in a slam), then no9 seed Grosjean with a retirement and then lost to Safin who was ranked 86th who beside getting demolished by Federer 3-0 in the final, also gets dumped out early in next 2 hardcourt masters.
 

RS

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I'm not really interested in that tbh. To be fair to Agassi, he struggled with a hip injury that year both in the middle of the year and at the end. Other than Djokovic's hamstring tear in Australia, he didn't have any physical issues and not a serious one like that. Physically and athletically is just one area where Djokovic has the advantage.
I just wanted to know how big a edge you would give Djokovic. Fine if you don't want to answer.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
I'm not really interested in that tbh. To be fair to Agassi, he struggled with a hip injury that year both in the middle of the year and at the end. Other than Djokovic's hamstring tear in Australia, he didn't have any physical issues and not a serious one like that. Physically and athletically is just one area where Djokovic has the advantage.
Who was better athletically at the AO?

Injured Djokovic or fully fit Agassi?
 

NoleFam

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The idea that struggling with peak fast HC Roddick in a better match than the Cincy 2023 final is somehow a bad look for Agassi is just a trash take mate. Put Djokovic ahead by all means but I'm going to call out BS when I see it (y)
Where did I say it was a bad look though? Roddick was the reigning USO champ. If anything, I implied that Alcaraz was superior to Roddick, also a reigning USO champ. In fact, I would say both Zverev and Alcaraz were superior to Fish and Roddick. Both guys did damage at the USO. What about Fish and Roddick?
 
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