Why are there no control string patterns in spin friendly frames?

[SirCraigoryy]

I was thinking how rackets which are usually "designed" for a specific kind of performance/trait are usually given a matching string pattern that emphasizes it i.e. Pure Drives/Aeros for power and spin usually get an open 16x19. Control frames or something marketed as such like the Blades and Pure Strikes are usually given an 18x20 or a tight 16x19 which gives you a little variety to choose from but still airs on the side of control. My question is why do you think we don't see more spin frames with more closed or denser patterns like the Babolat Pure Aero 98, Yonex VCORE SV 98, Head Extreme Tour, and Yonex VCORE 95? Yes, I am aware that there are some more spin friendly frames out there like the Yonex EZONE 98 with a tight 16x19 to help with control but a "spin" frame with a more closed string pattern seems to be the perfect combination to me and I don't know why we don't see more of them. I know that brands would probably want to advertise big spin, power, or control and that might work against them and keep them from doing it and there may be more frames like that out there in the market than I am aware of but I wanted to see what the community thought?

 

[Soundbyte]

The Shift 315 would like a word...

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Vcore Pro HD has an "open" string pattern despite being 18x20, it's open in the middle. I find that SW determines spin potential more for me than string pattern and string pattern is mainly launch angle. But, can't at a point SW going higher doesn't make sense. Anyway, maybe it's marketing to a degree?

 

[esgee48]

16x20 frames with 8 mains thru the throat. I believe it depends more on the player.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

might interest some....

 

[SirCraigoryy]

Apologies for my oversight. thank you gentlemen.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Apologies for my oversight. thank you gentlemen.

There was no oversight, no one really knows why for sure

 

[tomkowy]

It’s a great idea to advertise bananas but ship apples instead No one would feel tricked

 

[berkyboy]

Vcore Pro HD has an "open" string pattern despite being 18x20, it's open in the middle. I find that SW determines spin potential more for me than string pattern and string pattern is mainly launch angle. But, can't at a point SW going higher doesn't make sense. Anyway, maybe it's marketing to a degree?

New head speed pro is more open in middle then my new ezone 98

 

[Crocodile]

The Prince Phantom 100 X with its very low RA, thin beam and 16/18 pattern can give you spin and controlled power. While it’s an open pattern it is a low powered frame.
The Volkl V8 Pro has an 18:20 pattern but still quite spin friendly.
The other point is that Head offer so many racquets that there must be one that suits.

 

[Lorenn]

I was thinking how rackets which are usually "designed" for a specific kind of performance/trait are usually given a matching string pattern that emphasizes it i.e. Pure Drives/Aeros for power and spin usually get an open 16x19. Control frames or something marketed as such like the Blades and Pure Strikes are usually given an 18x20 or a tight 16x19 which gives you a little variety to choose from but still airs on the side of control. My question is why do you think we don't see more spin frames with more closed or denser patterns like the Babolat Pure Aero 98, Yonex VCORE SV 98, Head Extreme Tour, and Yonex VCORE 95? Yes, I am aware that there are some more spin friendly frames out there like the Yonex EZONE 98 with a tight 16x19 to help with control but a "spin" frame with a more closed string pattern seems to be the perfect combination to me and I don't know why we don't see more of them. I know that brands would probably want to advertise big spin, power, or control and that might work against them and keep them from doing it and there may be more frames like that out there in the market than I am aware of but I wanted to see what the community thought?

Really hard to have all three. Control and Spin/Control and Power tend to work against each other. Stiff frames and dense patterns also tend to be hard on the player. Advance players normally tend to prefer a more neutral racquet and to add their own spin versus having free spin. It gives them the option to hit flat or with heavy topspin. Spin friendly frames tend to want the player to use extra spin as a form of control and that is difficult for most players.

You can also string most frames for extra pop. Which would allow quite a few more frames on the list. Still Stiff wide beam frames with dense patterns and stiff poly is asking for trouble.

 

[AMGF]

Many years ago when Playsight was working at TW we had some significantly surprising data coming up. Like when Andy had more spin on average with a Blade 18x20 than with his Dr98.

So yes it exists. It's not marketed that way. There are spinny 18x20 frames out there.

 

[Lorenn]

Many years ago when Playsight was working at TW we had some significantly surprising data coming up. Like when Andy had more spin on average with a Blade 18x20 than with his Dr98.

So yes it exists. It's not marketed that way. There are spinny 18x20 frames out there.

Problem is they Original Posters wants all three...max spin, power and control.

 

[Fighting phoenix]

The Shift 315 would like a word...

Yes, exactly - playing with this stick is perfect for me - heavy ball, control oriented string pattern, lots of spin when I want it.

 

[Humbi_HTX]

16x20 frames with 8 mains thru the throat. I believe it depends more on the player.

Make that 100" and you got my frame of choice. PK magic.

 

[AMGF]

Problem is they Original Posters wants all three...max spin, power and control.

Well who wouldn’t?

Possible if one would buy a Blade 18x20 and add some lead at 12. Spin, control and power.

Everything is a compromise having max of all 3 is damn near impossible but the Pure Aero 98 I have been told is really close. FWIW.

 

[heavyD]

FYI the 2023 PA is still 16x19 but has a tighter string pattern than the 2019 model that affords more control as a compromise to a little less spin and power.

 

[Power Player]

I was thinking how rackets which are usually "designed" for a specific kind of performance/trait are usually given a matching string pattern that emphasizes it i.e. Pure Drives/Aeros for power and spin usually get an open 16x19. Control frames or something marketed as such like the Blades and Pure Strikes are usually given an 18x20 or a tight 16x19 which gives you a little variety to choose from but still airs on the side of control. My question is why do you think we don't see more spin frames with more closed or denser patterns like the Babolat Pure Aero 98, Yonex VCORE SV 98, Head Extreme Tour, and Yonex VCORE 95? Yes, I am aware that there are some more spin friendly frames out there like the Yonex EZONE 98 with a tight 16x19 to help with control but a "spin" frame with a more closed string pattern seems to be the perfect combination to me and I don't know why we don't see more of them. I know that brands would probably want to advertise big spin, power, or control and that might work against them and keep them from doing it and there may be more frames like that out there in the market than I am aware of but I wanted to see what the community thought?

They tightened up the new Pure Aero as mentioned above and older Babolats like the Pure Drive 2012 and prior had a really nice and balanced 16x19 pattern. Maybe the best balance of spin and control I have used. I hope Babolat returns the next PD to that. I have not tried the new Pure Aero yet, but I like the direction they took it in.

 

[ccjta]

Racquet string patterns for spin and for control are on opposite ends of the spectrum. You really can't find both. Just like my clients that want a powerful racquet that also gives them great control (can't be done with frames only) You can however have a frame for power and put control strings or visa versa.