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TennisandMusic
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Because losers in life love to live vicariously through winners. Of course that's true of every sport, which is why you get fat slobs wearing player jerseys and referring to team victories as "we did it."
Why do people root for Federer?
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Praetorian
Professional
Why not?? We all have our reasons. Hell I know of people who have no clue what tennis is all about, but they root for Federer. Why? Maybe they like his Schick commercials. There doesn't have to be a rhyme or reason why someone roots for someone.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yup, and there a BILLION people just like me. So deal with it!
groundbreaker
Rookie
He's very nice, and the fact that he speaks in multiple languages appeals to nearly every crowd: Americans, French, British, Swiss, etc. Unheard of in tennis for someone to have that popularity.
His game is fun to watch, and he doesn't have any weird habits. He has a deep respect for the game.
His game is among the most diverse among the current pro players. Federer can hang around the baseline, can play the net. He has the complete game. It's really amazing to watch him beat up on all the baseline bashers these days. He uses the one-hander, which I like.
I don't root for Federer anymore, though. Couple things that bother me with him are that he comes across a bit arrogant on rare occasions, his dislike of Hawkeye, and when he wears gold at Wimbledon.
Worst of all, he presumes he'd beat Roddick at Wimbledon last year, so he wears a suit laden with gold with "15" on it. It was very pompous, and that suit said very clearly, "Look how great I am!!"
His game is fun to watch, and he doesn't have any weird habits. He has a deep respect for the game.
His game is among the most diverse among the current pro players. Federer can hang around the baseline, can play the net. He has the complete game. It's really amazing to watch him beat up on all the baseline bashers these days. He uses the one-hander, which I like.
I don't root for Federer anymore, though. Couple things that bother me with him are that he comes across a bit arrogant on rare occasions, his dislike of Hawkeye, and when he wears gold at Wimbledon.
Worst of all, he presumes he'd beat Roddick at Wimbledon last year, so he wears a suit laden with gold with "15" on it. It was very pompous, and that suit said very clearly, "Look how great I am!!"
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
You mean Gillette.
Ultra2HolyGrail
Hall of Fame
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
That's just unfair to all the fans of the players. Some famous people like Gavin Rossdale like Fed and attend most of his matches, but I don't think you would call them losers. I don't know about any fat slobs that say "we did it" when he wins his latest slam. Most people are just happy for him. You sound cynical, but I don't blame you.
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
Best response, that I've seen so far. I agree with shazbot.
JeMar
Legend
Funny how that goes against the research the OP talks about.
JeMar
Legend
The reason why I cheer for him is because I want him to be far and away the most accomplished player to play the sport simply because people tend to emulate those that are most successful.
I would probably stop watching tennis if it turned into a bunch of Nadal-clones running around, scampering on the baseline. Federer's game is enjoyable to watch and I would be very happy if there were legions of juniors out there right now playing with more conservative grips, one-handed backhands, well-developed slices, and decent volleys.
I know it's going to be difficult for another Federer to come along, but being pretty familiar with most promising juniors in my area, I can tell you that I already see a premium in all-around games than I did when I was learning the game myself 13-15 years ago.
I would probably stop watching tennis if it turned into a bunch of Nadal-clones running around, scampering on the baseline. Federer's game is enjoyable to watch and I would be very happy if there were legions of juniors out there right now playing with more conservative grips, one-handed backhands, well-developed slices, and decent volleys.
I know it's going to be difficult for another Federer to come along, but being pretty familiar with most promising juniors in my area, I can tell you that I already see a premium in all-around games than I did when I was learning the game myself 13-15 years ago.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
No, it doesn't. The OP said people root for the underdog EXCEPT when it comes to Federer.
JeMar
Legend
The research itself says that people root for the underdog, to which the OP poses the question of why Federer's case is different. The post to which I replied goes against the research, but aims to answer the question of the OP. Get it? Oh, and why do you always have to nitpick?
It's the sobbing, how can you not root for a guy who breaks down at the drop of a manpurse?
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Justdoit10
Guest
Because his tennis is so damn smooth.
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
A good number of responses have already pointed out the many reasons why Fed is the GOAT, but I would like to add that Fed is a bridge to the old world of tennis and the new world in one person.
On the other hand the other player does not have all of these qualities and never will. A great CCS who has adapted his game well on all surfaces who is noted for:
Both are great players but this is the way both of these players will be noted in History if they both continue to win more majors. Mr. C has the clay and Fed has everything so far. Fed is getting older but Mr.C has severely damaged his body chasing Fed, and has lots of scar tissue to deal with; he will never be 100% again with flare ups getting worse as he get older (the opinion of the rehabilitation trainers we work with).
Cheers, TennezSport
- Fed has every shot in the book and has added some.
- His footwork is outstading
- Can play defence and offense equally well
- Impecable timing when he is on
- Great first and second serve
- Great hands at the net and anticipates well
- Can play S&V or All court equally well
- Well respected by all players and media
- Very generous World humanitarian
On the other hand the other player does not have all of these qualities and never will. A great CCS who has adapted his game well on all surfaces who is noted for:
- Has heavy spin shots but always muscling the ball
- Outstanding footwork
- Great defensive player (stats specific)
- Not well respected by fellow players
- Outstanding mental ability
Both are great players but this is the way both of these players will be noted in History if they both continue to win more majors. Mr. C has the clay and Fed has everything so far. Fed is getting older but Mr.C has severely damaged his body chasing Fed, and has lots of scar tissue to deal with; he will never be 100% again with flare ups getting worse as he get older (the opinion of the rehabilitation trainers we work with).
Cheers, TennezSport
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Ugly people have had to deal with rudeness while beautiful people have not since the beginning of time. That's just the way it is. That's why the cosmetics, plastic surgery, beauty enhancement, weight loss, and fashion industries are multi-billion dollar industries. Sorry that the real world doesn't agree with you.
could be that when Nadal's too injured to reach the slam finals, Fed is their next best option.
reversef
Hall of Fame
Oh My.... Oh My God....Do you realize what you are saying? Look at Federer. And then look at Rafa.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I know. But still...But you are talking about the game, right? You would be surprised, but many people find Rafa's game very beautiful to watch. And incredibly exciting. Just like the man himself.
Rafa is not popular for you? Safin doesn't agree with you. He said a few days ago how valuable Nadal is to the game because he's immensely popular, the most popular player on tour. The rock star of the Olympics was not Federer either.
Federer has his acomplishments, but charisma is on Rafa's side, man.
moshi2
Rookie
I've said this on my first post here at this forum and I'll say it again.
I watched tennis as little kid during early 90s-early 2000s. Then I stopped because of various reasons (moved to US for college, new friends, falling in love with soccer, work, etc etc). I might watched the women tennis here and there, but I was totally blind about tennis in general. I didn't even know who was the #1 or who won what.
Then on one Sunday in 2007, I found live French Open final on tv. I watched it just because I had nothing else to do, no expectation or no idea who Federer or Nadal was.
And eventhough Federer lost that final to Nadal, I totally fell in love with his game. He was graceful, he made crazy shots, he played beautiful games & made everything looked so effortless. And after that, I watched him during Wimbledon 2008. I fell in love deeper. And since that point on, I pretty much followed every single news about him & about tennis. I'm a tennis addict again.
When I found out he speaks 4 languages fluently, he has no coach and he is still with his long-term (then) non-supermodel girlfriend, all of that just made me like him more. Makes him more perfect in my eyes. And though people thinks he's a bit arrogant, he said what he thinks as it is. He also has that dorky-kind sense of humor He has no weird habits (butt-picking, grunting, etc etc). He showed he is human after all after his loss in AO 09. Then he showed us that he's a true champion after all by winning more GS when people already wrote him off.
So, I can say for sure, if I never watch that 07 French Open final, I would never be here and I would still totally blind about the tennis world. Federer made me come back to the "right way" again I owe it to him.
I still cursed at myself for not watching tennis sooner. If only I could watched him during his peak years, it'd be more awesome. But better late than never, eh?
I watched tennis as little kid during early 90s-early 2000s. Then I stopped because of various reasons (moved to US for college, new friends, falling in love with soccer, work, etc etc). I might watched the women tennis here and there, but I was totally blind about tennis in general. I didn't even know who was the #1 or who won what.
Then on one Sunday in 2007, I found live French Open final on tv. I watched it just because I had nothing else to do, no expectation or no idea who Federer or Nadal was.
And eventhough Federer lost that final to Nadal, I totally fell in love with his game. He was graceful, he made crazy shots, he played beautiful games & made everything looked so effortless. And after that, I watched him during Wimbledon 2008. I fell in love deeper. And since that point on, I pretty much followed every single news about him & about tennis. I'm a tennis addict again.
When I found out he speaks 4 languages fluently, he has no coach and he is still with his long-term (then) non-supermodel girlfriend, all of that just made me like him more. Makes him more perfect in my eyes. And though people thinks he's a bit arrogant, he said what he thinks as it is. He also has that dorky-kind sense of humor
He has no weird habits (butt-picking, grunting, etc etc). He showed he is human after all after his loss in AO 09. Then he showed us that he's a true champion after all by winning more GS when people already wrote him off. So, I can say for sure, if I never watch that 07 French Open final, I would never be here and I would still totally blind about the tennis world. Federer made me come back to the "right way" again
I owe it to him.I still cursed at myself for not watching tennis sooner. If only I could watched him during his peak years, it'd be more awesome. But better late than never, eh?
BallzofSkill
Semi-Pro
lol@at nadal fans/federer haters. I really don't understand how people behind computers screens can be so bitter against a player they've never met. They all act exactly the same on this board, making you wonder if they're all in fact the same twisted person.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, we're talking about their games. And if you did a poll of which player's game is more beautiful, you'll find the great, great majority will choose Federer. That's just a fact. You can poll the entire planet and more people will agree that Federer' game is more beautiful than Nadal's by a huge margin. Nadal's game is one of the ugliest I have ever seen in my 4 decades of watching pro tennis.Oh My.... Oh My God....Do you realize what you are saying? Look at Federer. And then look at Rafa.
But you are talking about the game, right? You would be surprised, but many people find Rafa's game very beautiful to watch. And incredibly exciting. Just like the man himself.
Rafa is not popular for you? Safin doesn't agree with you. He said a few days ago how valuable Nadal is to the game because he's immensely popular, the most popular player on tour. The rock star of the Olympics was not Federer either.
Federer has his acomplishments, but charisma is on Rafa's side, man.
Oh, and since you brought up charisma, Federer has more charisma in his little finger than Nadal has in this entire body. Unless you consider butt-picking charismatic. You can do a poll about charisma too and find that I'm right.
P_Agony
Banned
I root for Federer because this guy is inspiration. He makes me want to get up of my couch and go hit the ball the best I can. He's different, there's nobody who plays like him, he can make every point look different than the previous one, he's inventing more shots and he keeps everything fresh.
P_Agony
Banned
I disagree with you BP. I don't like Nadal's game either but he's got TONS of fans around the world (maybe not as much as Fed but still a lot). In fact, I've noticed that casual sports fans who just watch the Fed/Nadal finals and nothing more tend to like Nadal's game more than Roger's. They appreciate the fact he can run down every ball and hit a winner of it, and I understand them, there is A LOT to appreciate in Nadal's game. Not my personal cup of tea, but many like it and will continue to like it.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
The key words are "the casual fan", meaning people who don't really understand tennis. It's harder for people who don't understand tennis to appreciate how hard it is for Federer to make the game look so effortless and easy. They think anyone can go out on a tennis court and do what he does and hit the same shots that he does. All they see is Nadal working hard and think he's putting in a lot of effort. In fact, many of the biggest *********s on this board don't even play tennis. I'm sure I don't need to name names. ;-) I guess that's why a lot of people who don't understand tennis and a lot of kids who haven't played tennis for very long like Nadal. But the people who really understand tennis and the real tennis experts and pundits will always choose Federer.
KingOfTennis
Professional
Well there are several reasons. Firstly Federer will be shown on tv almost everytime he plays unlike some of the lower ranked players hence it is easier to follow him. Also same as the last point Federer match videos always end up on youtube/internet (while lower ranked players do not). Theres also the fact that Federer can speak english hence more interviews, documentaries etc.
But i think the main reason why people root for federer and continue rooting for federer is because he always wins and when he wins the people rooting for him also feels satisfaction and joy.
But i think the main reason why people root for federer and continue rooting for federer is because he always wins and when he wins the people rooting for him also feels satisfaction and joy.
abmk
Bionic Poster
sorry, I don't what sample you've been coming across, but from what I've seen vast majority of the casual tennis fans I've seen tend to like federer's game more and its not even close !
Its just because federer plays a beautiful game. Heck, even many of the nadal fanatics admit that federer when on song is awesome to watch
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Justdoit10
Guest
Because he is arrogant. :?
jonnythan
Professional
Because he's just so damn good. And he makes the game look good. He's fluid and effortless and always look classy. Even when he loses, he looks like he's operating on a different level than everyone else. Like he's playing a different game. It's just fantastic to watch.
Nadal is a great player, but he fights *so* hard to win points. Or, at least, he looks like he does. Maximum effort, flying all around the court. Federer just seems to always be in the right spot and his strokes look completely effortless in comparison.
I love watching them both, but I root for Federer because he makes the game look beautiful.
Nadal is a great player, but he fights *so* hard to win points. Or, at least, he looks like he does. Maximum effort, flying all around the court. Federer just seems to always be in the right spot and his strokes look completely effortless in comparison.
I love watching them both, but I root for Federer because he makes the game look beautiful.
finchy
Professional
I've been cheering for Federer since about May 2004 because I thought he was the most complete player on tour and made everything look so easy. I appreciate how beautiful his game is and how consistent he has been over the past 6-7 years now. To me, he is a great ambassador of the sport and hardly ever shows a bad attitude. His composure on court is nearly unrivaled.
Roger is my favorite athlete of all time and I cannot see myself switching camps. He appears to be a nice guy who truly is a student of the game.
I will admit that Nadal is a great competitor, but I do not like his game and to me, it is difficult to watch.
Roger is my favorite athlete of all time and I cannot see myself switching camps. He appears to be a nice guy who truly is a student of the game.
I will admit that Nadal is a great competitor, but I do not like his game and to me, it is difficult to watch.
I didn't really follow tennis until 2008.. but before then i was kinda rooting for Nadal because he was unique. Lefty with topspin.. and his style of game.
I don't know if it was because Federer showed vulnerability (underdog), or if I started liking Federer's game more as I became more into tennis but it was after that I started rooting for Federer.
I don't know if it was because Federer showed vulnerability (underdog), or if I started liking Federer's game more as I became more into tennis but it was after that I started rooting for Federer.
OddJack
G.O.A.T.
It's because of how he handles himself inside the courts(outside, most of them talk and behave like angels). He has none of the annoying habits many others do. He comes closest to a perfect player.
He doesnt open his mouth and scream like primates. He doesnt cheer his opponents mistakes, there is no fist and leg combo pumps. He never retires, rarely ever a trainer time out, no time wasting, minimal ball bouncing and towel offs, no cursing when he misses, no look at his box for assurance or guidance let alone conversations, no stare downs, no rituals, no silly superstitiousness, no grunting over each shot....
And yet, he has the best of records...
How can you not like such a player.
He doesnt open his mouth and scream like primates. He doesnt cheer his opponents mistakes, there is no fist and leg combo pumps. He never retires, rarely ever a trainer time out, no time wasting, minimal ball bouncing and towel offs, no cursing when he misses, no look at his box for assurance or guidance let alone conversations, no stare downs, no rituals, no silly superstitiousness, no grunting over each shot....
And yet, he has the best of records...
How can you not like such a player.
keep dreaming, unless you're talking mainly about the French Open, obviously Federer is the underdog there to Nadal. It's because Federer is the GOAT, and has done so many things that others haven't done, that it's just incredible to watch him in action.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I've said this on my first post here at this forum and I'll say it again.
I watched tennis as little kid during early 90s-early 2000s. Then I stopped because of various reasons (moved to US for college, new friends, falling in love with soccer, work, etc etc). I might watched the women tennis here and there, but I was totally blind about tennis in general. I didn't even know who was the #1 or who won what.
Then on one Sunday in 2007, I found live French Open final on tv. I watched it just because I had nothing else to do, no expectation or no idea who Federer or Nadal was.
And eventhough Federer lost that final to Nadal, I totally fell in love with his game. He was graceful, he made crazy shots, he played beautiful games & made everything looked so effortless. And after that, I watched him during Wimbledon 2008. I fell in love deeper. And since that point on, I pretty much followed every single news about him & about tennis. I'm a tennis addict again.
When I found out he speaks 4 languages fluently, he has no coach and he is still with his long-term (then) non-supermodel girlfriend, all of that just made me like him more. Makes him more perfect in my eyes. And though people thinks he's a bit arrogant, he said what he thinks as it is. He also has that dorky-kind sense of humor
So, I can say for sure, if I never watch that 07 French Open final, I would never be here and I would still totally blind about the tennis world. Federer made me come back to the "right way" again
I still cursed at myself for not watching tennis sooner. If only I could watched him during his peak years, it'd be more awesome. But better late than never, eh?
Hey moshi
Thats a really sweet story. I used to follow tennis since 1980 or so, first on radio (in India) then telly -- they only showed WO finals, then semis and slowly a little more.
In the 90's, i lost interest ... but in 2004 i accidentally saw Federer playing on telly (while at a friends place) and I was hooked, since then I've followed tennis and his matches carefully, resumed playing tennis myself, and of course trolling this forum
Feddy brought me back to tennis and I'll certainly love it for life.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Sadly, even on a tennis forum you are in a sort of minority in the midst of the screaming Nadal fans running around your knees calling you names, lol, ...The key words are "the casual fan", meaning people who don't really understand tennis. It's harder for people who don't understand tennis to appreciate how hard it is for Federer to make the game look so effortless and easy. They think anyone can go out on a tennis court and do what he does and hit the same shots that he does. All they see is Nadal working hard and think he's putting in a lot of effort. In fact, many of the biggest *********s on this board don't even play tennis. I'm sure I don't need to name names. ;-) I guess that's why a lot of people who don't understand tennis and a lot of kids who haven't played tennis for very long like Nadal. But the people who really understand tennis and the real tennis experts and pundits will always choose Federer.
... the older ones too (some who can string together a couple of catchy insults are weekend moonballers -- play badminton on a tennis court -- and therefore appreciate the pusher;s game!).
fgzhu88
Semi-Pro
sounds like you like Federer.. because you hate Nadal :shock:
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Yup, the casual tennis fan who goes on weekends to the court to play some social tennis, serving underhand, hitting the ball like a shuttleco-ck, moonballing and lobbing each ball, then creating threads like "Federer should retire", "Federer is arrogant jerk", those guys really know how to appreciate the Nadal game.
Luckily, my country (India) is Federerland, lol ! Feddy's Rolex ad rules on telly
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That's because Federer is everything that Nadal is NOT!
iloveROGER
New User
the same reason I used to root for MJ/Chicago Bulls.
Nadal is an incredible players just look at his determination to go for each
and every single ball.
But I thanks God giving us MJ and Federer.
Ever since MJ's final retirement, I no longer find watching NBA is
fun anymore, I even leave the court gradually due to physical concern
that keep me losing my edge on the field. cant jump that high no more.
Then one day I decided why not go to tennis which I found it to be
exciting/interesting during my old colledge days.
And I started to regret that why I used to think tennis is for elders and
didnt focus on it earlier....
When I started it late 2008, I've already missed the Fed's real peaking,
but still, what he've achieved and how it looks is so amazing.
The more I play/know about this game the more admiration/appreciation
I have for Federer, he's simply the most versatile.
I almost got heart attack while watching Fed's 1st round shock last week,
I dont recall any simlar feelings to MJ or any other Bull's games.
Also thanks god for also create Nadal to be Fed'd arch-rival,
they bring each other their best.
Nadal is an incredible players just look at his determination to go for each
and every single ball.
But I thanks God giving us MJ and Federer.
Ever since MJ's final retirement, I no longer find watching NBA is
fun anymore, I even leave the court gradually due to physical concern
that keep me losing my edge on the field. cant jump that high no more.
Then one day I decided why not go to tennis which I found it to be
exciting/interesting during my old colledge days.
And I started to regret that why I used to think tennis is for elders and
didnt focus on it earlier....
When I started it late 2008, I've already missed the Fed's real peaking,
but still, what he've achieved and how it looks is so amazing.
The more I play/know about this game the more admiration/appreciation
I have for Federer, he's simply the most versatile.
I almost got heart attack while watching Fed's 1st round shock last week,
I dont recall any simlar feelings to MJ or any other Bull's games.
Also thanks god for also create Nadal to be Fed'd arch-rival,
they bring each other their best.
fgzhu88
Semi-Pro
I admit I don't like him now as much as when he was in his prime (which makes me an unloyal fan ) but here are some things that made him fan-favorite during his prime:
- god-like balance and coordination
- fluid, gazelle-like movement and strokes. Key word here is FLUID. doesn't take a thousand unnecessary little split steps like Roddick and doesn't run around his backhand just to avoid it like Moya
- Simplified the game, yet at the same time reinvented it. Often won points with that insultingly easy [looking] backhand flick after his opponent dished out everything in their arsenal. Also made big servers look like jokes with his bunt return (nowadays overuses it)
- Point construction. This guy is a genius in tennis I.Q. The more I watch his tapes, the more I realize that 90% of his winners were set up at least 3 shots beforehand.
all these things basically summed up in this cliché: his game was beautiful
Even now, several steps slower, he still wins the hearts of many fans by giving inspiring performances. Who can deny that they rooted for Federer during the US open 2008 or French Open 2009? When he seemed to be down and out, he proves everyone wrong
As well, he has added a beautiful drop shot to his game, just when we thought all his other weapons were deteriorating.
I could love Federer for his tennis alone, even if he didn't have his sportsmanship
) but here are some things that made him fan-favorite during his prime:- god-like balance and coordination
- fluid, gazelle-like movement and strokes. Key word here is FLUID. doesn't take a thousand unnecessary little split steps like Roddick and doesn't run around his backhand just to avoid it like Moya
- Simplified the game, yet at the same time reinvented it. Often won points with that insultingly easy [looking] backhand flick after his opponent dished out everything in their arsenal. Also made big servers look like jokes with his bunt return (nowadays overuses it)
- Point construction. This guy is a genius in tennis I.Q. The more I watch his tapes, the more I realize that 90% of his winners were set up at least 3 shots beforehand.
all these things basically summed up in this cliché: his game was beautiful
Even now, several steps slower, he still wins the hearts of many fans by giving inspiring performances. Who can deny that they rooted for Federer during the US open 2008 or French Open 2009? When he seemed to be down and out, he proves everyone wrong
As well, he has added a beautiful drop shot to his game, just when we thought all his other weapons were deteriorating.
I could love Federer for his tennis alone, even if he didn't have his sportsmanship
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I guess you missed his last couple of matches.
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srinrajesh
Guest
I think it goes with part ego as well as joining the bandwagon..
We all want our idol to win so that we can be happy we supported the right person. Since Federer has been No.1 for lot of time and winning slams easily, people want to support him.
Also there is some portion of media and fans portraying him as the greatest player ever.. (which is totally deflsating to older legends like Laver and Gonzales). People can support him on to more records which could further strengthen their argument.
He doesnt really have any major faults (game as well as personal) - backhand is the only weakness agaisnt Nadal. Can be arrogant at times with comments and behaviour but no controversies so far (like Tiger... it may still come out )
However it is of note that people do like stars with charisma like Becker and Agassi and both had their share of drama off court.
But it is usually human tendency to dislike boring results ...Federer winning all slams wud be boring and we have Nadal to thank for that. So it is strange in a way that so many people continue to support him.
We all want our idol to win so that we can be happy we supported the right person. Since Federer has been No.1 for lot of time and winning slams easily, people want to support him.
Also there is some portion of media and fans portraying him as the greatest player ever.. (which is totally deflsating to older legends like Laver and Gonzales). People can support him on to more records which could further strengthen their argument.
He doesnt really have any major faults (game as well as personal) - backhand is the only weakness agaisnt Nadal. Can be arrogant at times with comments and behaviour but no controversies so far (like Tiger... it may still come out )
However it is of note that people do like stars with charisma like Becker and Agassi and both had their share of drama off court.
But it is usually human tendency to dislike boring results ...Federer winning all slams wud be boring and we have Nadal to thank for that. So it is strange in a way that so many people continue to support him.
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