Wilson ProStaff RF97 Autograph
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gino
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We need a Talk Tennis Hall of Fame for posts like this
JoelDali
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The single greatest poast in Talk Tennis history:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8472336
Magical. Delightful. Braveheart quality.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=8472336
Magical. Delightful. Braveheart quality.
jaspert
Rookie
Bwahahahahaha............ Greatest post ever!!!
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Is Wilson still going to go through with introducing this racquet?
What if Federer switched back to his Tour 90? :shock:
What if Federer switched back to his Tour 90? :shock:
I just put a comment on the Pro Match.. You might be right after all.. Federer seems can't control the balls with this new racket.. Any hard shots to his forehand give him problems.. As I said, the stupid Wilson PR Betterer might fire back them.. Fed might switch back to the old tour 90 and win the US Open.. that would be disaster for Wilson
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
If this happens i will not only be a monkey's uncle, but i will also permanently switch back to a wilson jk pro staff 65 from 1978.
Benben245
Banned
This new frame lacks the maneuverability of his older one, at least for federer. Anyone notice the racquet doesn't appear as headlight as he doesn't whip the forehand around as well. I notice his accuracy can be awry but especially on down the line shots or shots with low margins of error his swing speed is slower.
This new racquet hasn't done much for his errors as his former mishits off the frame are substituted by more unforced errors.
Im not saying a bigger racquet face wouldn't yield some benefits to roger, but I believe he molded this new frame to fit his older one in terms of weight etc and so forth and or his general predilection towards pro staff 88 k90 etc type of balances, but he its screwing with his game a little bit.
The power in his ground strokes isn't much better, and his accuracy suffers. A twelve ounce frame or 11.6 unstrung is something he should have considered with different dimensions of hl and sw.
This new racquet hasn't done much for his errors as his former mishits off the frame are substituted by more unforced errors.
Im not saying a bigger racquet face wouldn't yield some benefits to roger, but I believe he molded this new frame to fit his older one in terms of weight etc and so forth and or his general predilection towards pro staff 88 k90 etc type of balances, but he its screwing with his game a little bit.
The power in his ground strokes isn't much better, and his accuracy suffers. A twelve ounce frame or 11.6 unstrung is something he should have considered with different dimensions of hl and sw.
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
You will not see him execute those extreme power wrist flea flicker CC backhand GOAT passing shots with the new stick.
This is a huge change that the common Internet tennis technologist cannot identify with. The mechanics of his entire game needs to adapt and change. The choice of shots and the execution has all changed with a larger, less maneuverable stick.
It is the Indian not the arrow or the bow, and Roger could play with any Raquet and win ATP 500 events and he has done well with the 97 but I still do believe a 90 is what his entire game is shaped by.
If Rafa switched to a 93 it would not make sense for his game.
The 90 is Roger's game.
But who cares let's enjoy the last few remaining years of Rodguer GOATing.
This is a huge change that the common Internet tennis technologist cannot identify with. The mechanics of his entire game needs to adapt and change. The choice of shots and the execution has all changed with a larger, less maneuverable stick.
It is the Indian not the arrow or the bow, and Roger could play with any Raquet and win ATP 500 events and he has done well with the 97 but I still do believe a 90 is what his entire game is shaped by.
If Rafa switched to a 93 it would not make sense for his game.
The 90 is Roger's game.
But who cares let's enjoy the last few remaining years of Rodguer GOATing.
Teniludius
New User
Brad Gilbert in the broadcast today called the new paint job an "unforced error." 
He too wanted a mostly black frame. But I must say these pics present it in a better light, especially from the side view. And of course, my respects to PeterFig -- awesome that he was involved.
He too wanted a mostly black frame. But I must say these pics present it in a better light, especially from the side view. And of course, my respects to PeterFig -- awesome that he was involved.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Not sure I like the shocking "red" color on the beam! I guess it helps if the photo was in focus too! I have to see it in person to tell however.
aimr75
Hall of Fame
Brad Gilbert in the broadcast today called the new paint job an "unforced error."
I think possibly from Wilson's view, a mostly black frame would have been too close to his blacked out pj and present less of an impact on television. It would have been as though there was no cosmetic update.
TennisLogic
Semi-Pro
Brad Gilbert in the broadcast today called the new paint job an "unforced error."
"unforced error?"
Spot on!
Brad Gilbert is the man
Motor city
New User
Is Wilson letting people hit with it at Cincy? Those pics look like it's a retail unit in their on-site store.
kimguroo
Legend
Here are some pictures of the racquet that I took while at the Cincy tournament.
the shape looks like wilson BLX tour 95
bad_call
Legend
one would think that Roger has adjusted to this frame by now. how many months does it take? especially for a pro that practices hours daily.
any bets on when "version 2.0" gets released?
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
He was hitting them at MC... and hit a fair few at Wimbledon too.
I think this change has shown how people see what they want to see regardless of either the merit or evidence (or lack of). He does not have to change his entire game - he would have needed to make adjustments so small for the most part that almost anyone claiming to be able to spot the difference in what and how much he changed are just plain dreaming.
He just played poorly here in the one match where he played in noticeably livelier conditions - conditions which his opponent had played in all week and honed his game against some really tough opponents.
It doesn't have to be about the racquet every bloody time he has an off day.
Definitely agree! ^^
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Vcore89
Talk Tennis Guru
I have played quite a few hand me downs 65s but would be intrigue to know the flex ratings; seems very very flexy to me.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Awesome heritage there, hoodjem. Your loyalty is to be commended.
I loved the brown diamond feel. When i switched to maxplys, i had my last kramer staff signed by johnny mac.
I went to various dunlops and slazzes, then the max 200g second yr in 14s until well after college....i still competed with some pumas and donnays, then i used mostly volkls, dunlop 200s, a bunch of babolat controls. Then storm ltds, aerostorm tours, and since may, pure strike 98s customized to the same numbers as the forthcoming rf autograph.
Looking fwd to october!
Vcore, to answer your q, the kramer staff was fairly stiff when new. Stiffer than a maxply or a challenge 1, which must be in the low fifties as i recall from a quick visit to an rdc in the early 90s. Thing is, a wooden frame is smaller so it reads stiffer, i think. And it's firmness really deteriorated after just six months of tough use.
I loved the brown diamond feel. When i switched to maxplys, i had my last kramer staff signed by johnny mac.
I went to various dunlops and slazzes, then the max 200g second yr in 14s until well after college....i still competed with some pumas and donnays, then i used mostly volkls, dunlop 200s, a bunch of babolat controls. Then storm ltds, aerostorm tours, and since may, pure strike 98s customized to the same numbers as the forthcoming rf autograph.
Looking fwd to october!
Vcore, to answer your q, the kramer staff was fairly stiff when new. Stiffer than a maxply or a challenge 1, which must be in the low fifties as i recall from a quick visit to an rdc in the early 90s. Thing is, a wooden frame is smaller so it reads stiffer, i think. And it's firmness really deteriorated after just six months of tough use.
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JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
My comments were not derived from 'he had a bad day - blame the Raquet' argument.
They were made well before the Tsonga match and have nothing to do with any matches.
It's simply my belief that the structure and mechanics of his game are far more suited for the 90.
But again, I am over it. But it is just sad that the era of the 1 hander with small frame sticks is evaporating into 100 square inch death agony selfie destruction.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
yes, it is the same mold… Or can you find a reason as to why it wouldn't be?
bad_call
Legend
still waiting for you (or someone other than Roger) to post serves & service returns with the RF97 in a vid.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
You mean "Betterer" is not a new technology?
jorel
Hall of Fame
betterer as in a pj of the old hps 6.0 95 with an extra hole for the xtra crossYou mean "Betterer" is not a new technology?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I'm pretty sure the stiffness ratings for the Maxply Fort and Challenge 1 were quite a bit lower then the "low fifties". Probably more like in the thirties. Even the graphite Max 200G had a low RDC rating of only 40RA and those wood racquets were certainly more flexible than that.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/MW200G/MW200GReview.html
geese_com
Semi-Pro
They are not selling them at Cincy. Just a demo racquet for people to look. Not allowed to hit with it. For sale October 1st.
Chezbeeno
Professional
Yeah I knew they were going on sale officially on October 1st, but sometimes racquet companies do weird things, so I thought it might be worth asking, just to make sure.
michaelscoots
Rookie
I agree with you 100%.
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
Meet me at my villa in Milan where we will dine on 28 grams of Cortex and watch 2009 France Open GOAT Final DVD.
WhereIsMacMac
Professional
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Fed switches wristbands, and there'll be an army of village idiots with forks and firebrands demanding TW to carry said wristbands.
WhereIsMacMac
Professional
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
You are probably right. And absolutely right if you are talking about a well used maxply. Overcooked Noodle, basically. Brand new, though, and freshly strung, they measure fairly taut, as i recall. Higher than the max 200g i measured on the same day. My former teammate at the shop said all sox of my max 200gs were cashed. I think he wanted me to switch back to wood, hahha. Or ask coach for some new ones.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yup, that's what I've been preaching here for at least the past 5 years. Maybe, just maybe, it's finally starting to slowly sink in for other people.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
In this year's AO, when Federer wore that white polo, remember how many people lost their s***?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
At the time, the Maxply Fort was rated "stiff" because I think it had a stiff throat but a very flexible hoop. I could never understand this rating because the Maxply always felt extremely flexible to me, due to the flexy hoop, and certainly more flexible than any of the popular Wilson wood racquets.
