Winners of the last 10 GS’s...

[Fabresque]

Going backwards...
Wimbledon 2018 - Djokovic (31)
French Open 2018 - Nadal (32)
Australian Open 2018 - Federer (37)
US Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Wimbledon 2017 - Federer (36)
French Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Australian Open 2017 - Federer (36)
US Open 2016 - Wawrinka (31)
Wimbledon 2016 - Murray (30)
French Open 2016 - Djokovic (29)

The average age of the last 10 GS Winners is 32 years and 4 months old. Wow. Where is the next gen? Zverev? Kyrgios? Anyone there? Come on, this really can’t continue, how can 30 year olds dominate the game when there are guys in their mid to late twenties literally at their physical peak AND numerous guys who are under 23 who are very much so talented. Honestly I’m not surprised if a 45 year old Federer straight sets a peak condition Zverev at a slam semi final. Also not surprised if a 40 year old Bull decimates Thiem 6-2 6-1 6-2 at a French Open final.

This has to stop, the tour is a complete mad house right now. How can old players on their last limbs still claim slams like it’s nothing?

 

[Hamnavoe]

Going backwards...
Wimbledon 2018 - Djokovic (31)
French Open 2018 - Nadal (32)
Australian Open 2018 - Federer (37)
US Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Wimbledon 2017 - Federer (36)
French Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Australian Open 2017 - Federer (36)
US Open 2016 - Wawrinka (31)
Wimbledon 2016 - Murray (30)
French Open 2016 - Djokovic (29)

The average age of the last 10 GS Winners is 32 years and 4 months old. Wow. Where is the next gen? Zverev? Kyrgios? Anyone there? Come on, this really can’t continue, how can 30 year olds dominate the game when there are guys in their mid to late twenties literally at their physical peak AND numerous guys who are under 23 who are very much so talented. Honestly I’m not surprised if a 45 year old Federer straight sets a peak condition Zverev at a slam semi final. Also not surprised if a 40 year old Bull decimates Thiem 6-2 6-1 6-2 at a French Open final.

This has to stop, the tour is a complete mad house right now. How can old players on their last limbs still claim slams like it’s nothing?

Federer was 36 at AO 18, and 35 at Wimbledon and AO 17, and Murray was 29 at Wimbledon 2016.

 

[ak24alive]

Their arms are strong.

 

[Druss]

....and exactly 10 years ago:

Wimbledon 2008 - Nadal (22)
French Open 2008 - Nadal (22)
Aus Open 2008 - Djokovic (20)
US Open 2007 - Federer (26)
Wimbledon 2007 - Federer (26)
French Open 2007 - Nadal (21)
Aus Open 2007 - Federer (25)
US Open 2006 - Federer (25)
Wimbledon 2006 - Federer (25)
French Open 2006 - Nadal (20)

Avg age: 23

So it’s the same players basically taking the average age up by almost 10 years!!!

Can’t you see it?
It’s the young generation/lost gen/useless gen or whatever you want to call them.
Kyrgios is a clear example, great talent, if only he had half of Hewitt’s determination, the guy would be sitting on multiple slams and Masters by now, at age 23. What has he got to show for instead? Zilch!

 

[Ferss111]

....and exactly 10 years ago:

Wimbledon 2008 - Nadal (22)
French Open 2008 - Nadal (22)
Aus Open 2008 - Djokovic (20)
US Open 2007 - Federer (26)
Wimbledon 2007 - Federer (26)
French Open 2007 - Nadal (21)
Aus Open 2007 - Federer (25)
US Open 2006 - Federer (25)
Wimbledon 2006 - Federer (25)
French Open 2006 - Nadal (20)

Avg age: 23

So it’s the same players basically taking the average age up by almost 10 years!!!

Can’t you see it?
It’s the young generation/lost gen/useless gen or whatever you want to call them.
Kyrgios is a clear example, great talent, if only he had half of Hewitt’s determination, the guy would be sitting on multiple slams and Masters by now, at age 23. What has he got to show for instead? Zilch!

Kyrgios depends too much on his serve. His baseline game is hardly any better than Isner's. Players of that style rarely win slams.

 

[Backspin1183]

....and exactly 10 years ago:

Wimbledon 2008 - Nadal (22)
French Open 2008 - Nadal (22)
Aus Open 2008 - Djokovic (20)
US Open 2007 - Federer (26)
Wimbledon 2007 - Federer (26)
French Open 2007 - Nadal (21)
Aus Open 2007 - Federer (25)
US Open 2006 - Federer (25)
Wimbledon 2006 - Federer (25)
French Open 2006 - Nadal (20)

Avg age: 23

So it’s the same players basically taking the average age up by almost 10 years!!!

Can’t you see it?
It’s the young generation/lost gen/useless gen or whatever you want to call them.
Kyrgios is a clear example, great talent, if only he had half of Hewitt’s determination, the guy would be sitting on multiple slams and Masters by now, at age 23. What has he got to show for instead? Zilch!

I agree with your post except about Kyrgios. He isn't good enough to win multiple Slams in the current era. People talk a lot about how he tanks his matches. The ones he did, he knew his S was getting kicked and threw in the towel.

If he wants people to believe he can win multiple Slams, he should win one first.

 

[RF-18]

Going backwards...
Wimbledon 2018 - Djokovic (31)
French Open 2018 - Nadal (32)
Australian Open 2018 - Federer (37)
US Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Wimbledon 2017 - Federer (36)
French Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Australian Open 2017 - Federer (36)
US Open 2016 - Wawrinka (31)
Wimbledon 2016 - Murray (30)
French Open 2016 - Djokovic (29)

The average age of the last 10 GS Winners is 32 years and 4 months old. Wow. Where is the next gen? Zverev? Kyrgios? Anyone there? Come on, this really can’t continue, how can 30 year olds dominate the game when there are guys in their mid to late twenties literally at their physical peak AND numerous guys who are under 23 who are very much so talented. Honestly I’m not surprised if a 45 year old Federer straight sets a peak condition Zverev at a slam semi final. Also not surprised if a 40 year old Bull decimates Thiem 6-2 6-1 6-2 at a French Open final.

This has to stop, the tour is a complete mad house right now. How can old players on their last limbs still claim slams like it’s nothing?

It's different times now. Athletes get better at older ages. They can stay fit and injury free for longer times wich means they can train to the fullest. Imagine the experience they have coupled with this.

You can't compare the young guns today against 30 years ago or longer. They were at an advantage back then when they faced someone that was considerably older. Today you don't have that advantage.

 

[boredone3456]

This is what happens when you have 3 all time greats whose careers massively overlap. A couple of other guys break through to take their moments (Murray, Wawa, Delpo) and everyone else looks horrible.

 

[Red Rick]

Their arms are strong.

I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles

 

[Badabing888]

Having specialist fitness coaches and physios on their teams help these ATGs stay in tip top shape and recover optimally between matches and tournaments.

Does someone like Kyrgios even have either on his team?

 

[Ferss111]

This is what happens when you have 3 all time greats whose careers massively overlap. A couple of other guys break through to take their moments (Murray, Wawa, Delpo) and everyone else looks horrible.

While it's true that there are all time greats in the tour, still we have to admit that the next generation is real bad. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are not the reason why the likes of Thiem, Zverev, Dimitrov, Kyrgios, Coric didn't win multiple slams. Most of the time these players are not even getting to the big 3 in big tournaments. Take the big 3 out, it will not help the next generation too much. Thiem will maybe win RG then, but that's it.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

While it's true that there are all time greats in the tour, still we have to admit that the next generation is real bad. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are not the reason why the likes of Thiem, Zverev, Dimitrov, Kyrgios, Coric didn't win multiple slams. Most of the time these players are not even getting to the big 3 in big tournaments. Take the big 3 out, it will not help the next generation too much. Thiem will maybe win RG then, but that's it.

Very true...
They do not even reach big3 regularly in slams
(Except for thiem, but he is not nextgen player)

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Having specialist fitness coaches and physios on their teams help these ATGs stay in tip top shape and recover optimally between matches and tournaments.

Does someone like Kyrgios even have either on his team?

So what??

By no means, 36, 32 and 31 year olds are supposed to win grandslams....
Its like sachin tendulkar and brian lara hitting centuries on a regular basis in today's cricket, or anil kumble & murlidharan fvcking batsmen at only 3-4 Runs/over (all are in 40s & in cricket, 40s are somewhat represent 31+ in tennis)

A strong rising ATG or 2 ATGs wont allow it...
Or heck even a very good rising player like hewit/roddick/safin/mury/wawrinka/nalbandian will not allow that.
Nextgen & lostgen & midgen simply suck

 

[Le Master]

Going backwards...
Wimbledon 2018 - Djokovic (31)
French Open 2018 - Nadal (32)
Australian Open 2018 - Federer (37)
US Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Wimbledon 2017 - Federer (36)
French Open 2017 - Nadal (31)
Australian Open 2017 - Federer (36)
US Open 2016 - Wawrinka (31)
Wimbledon 2016 - Murray (30)
French Open 2016 - Djokovic (29)

The average age of the last 10 GS Winners is 32 years and 4 months old. Wow. Where is the next gen? Zverev? Kyrgios? Anyone there? Come on, this really can’t continue, how can 30 year olds dominate the game when there are guys in their mid to late twenties literally at their physical peak AND numerous guys who are under 23 who are very much so talented. Honestly I’m not surprised if a 45 year old Federer straight sets a peak condition Zverev at a slam semi final. Also not surprised if a 40 year old Bull decimates Thiem 6-2 6-1 6-2 at a French Open final.

This has to stop, the tour is a complete mad house right now. How can old players on their last limbs still claim slams like it’s nothing?

Fed was closer to being exactly 36 than being 37 at the AO 2018. Not sure why you people think everyone was born on January 1st.

 

[clout]

....and exactly 10 years ago:

Wimbledon 2008 - Nadal (22)
French Open 2008 - Nadal (22)
Aus Open 2008 - Djokovic (20)
US Open 2007 - Federer (26)
Wimbledon 2007 - Federer (26)
French Open 2007 - Nadal (21)
Aus Open 2007 - Federer (25)
US Open 2006 - Federer (25)
Wimbledon 2006 - Federer (25)
French Open 2006 - Nadal (20)

Avg age: 23

So it’s the same players basically taking the average age up by almost 10 years!!!

Can’t you see it?
It’s the young generation/lost gen/useless gen or whatever you want to call them.
Kyrgios is a clear example, great talent, if only he had half of Hewitt’s determination, the guy would be sitting on multiple slams and Masters by now, at age 23. What has he got to show for instead? Zilch!

I think it's mix of both. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic will likely end up being the three greatest players to ever play the game by the time they all retire, but at the same time the lost/next gen haven't been able to do much to give the elder statesman any challenges.

 

[spirit95]

Only time will tell. If in a few decades a consistent pattern has emerged of players peaking in their early thirties then we'll realise that there was simply a transition around the late 00s/early 10s. If nextgen/lostgen hit 29 and get BTFO by the gen after them then we'll know it was just two consecutive weak generations

 

[mike danny]

It won't stop anytime soon unfortunately. Kyrgios sucks and Zverev still has trouble beating the mugs of the world.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Only one more slam until there's no-one under 30 with a slam.

Disgusting.

 

[Druss]

I think it's mix of both. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic will likely end up being the three greatest players to ever play the game by the time they all retire, but at the same time the lost/next gen haven't been able to do much to give the elder statesman any challenges.

Back in the very late 90s and early 00s, young guns (18-21 years old) such as Hewitt/Safin/Roddick were taking it to ATGs Sampras and Agassi on a consistent basis. On a similar scale (we’re leaving young ATGs out here) Murray was taking it to Federer (outside of slams) back in 2006/07. Sampras was only 28-30/31 back then and I’d be hard pressed to believe that a much older Fed of 2014-18 or a 31/32 yr old Nadal of 2017/18 are playing any better than Sampras and Agassi of 1999-2003.

Where are the young Safin/Roddick/Hewitt/Murray/Ferrero (clay) equivalents these last couple years? Who?

 

[ForumMember]

....and exactly 10 years ago:

Wimbledon 2008 - Nadal (22)
French Open 2008 - Nadal (22)
Aus Open 2008 - Djokovic (20)
US Open 2007 - Federer (26)
Wimbledon 2007 - Federer (26)
French Open 2007 - Nadal (21)
Aus Open 2007 - Federer (25)
US Open 2006 - Federer (25)
Wimbledon 2006 - Federer (25)
French Open 2006 - Nadal (20)

Avg age: 23

So it’s the same players basically taking the average age up by almost 10 years!!!

Can’t you see it?
It’s the young generation/lost gen/useless gen or whatever you want to call them.
Kyrgios is a clear example, great talent, if only he had half of Hewitt’s determination, the guy would be sitting on multiple slams and Masters by now, at age 23. What has he got to show for instead? Zilch!

Not exactly. It;'s not only about these three players. Out side these three players who are making finals? Cilic 2 finals, Wawrinka FO 17, Anderson two finals and a Raonic, nor exactly young. We have first time masters winning in Isner as the age of 32 or 33. Del Potro is another player at top level who is also entering ion 30's. Other than Thiem's lone exception, no one less than 25 even made it to the finals. So, age shift is not exactly happening because of these three only.

 

[Azure]

Not exactly. It;'s not only about these three players. Out side these three players who are making finals? Cilic 2 finals, Wawrinka FO 17, Anderson two finals and a Raonic, nor exactly young. We have first time masters winning in Isner as the age of 32 or 33. Del Potro is another player at top level who is also entering ion 30's. Other than Thiem's lone exception, no one less than 25 even made it to the finals. So, age shift is not exactly happening because of these three only.

Agree, in my view age shift is because of two reasons - first, the court conditions haven't really changed say from 2008 to 2018 and second, the racket that a 21 year old Zverev uses and a 31 year old Nole uses aren't really technically very different.

The courts that Sampars played on in 1992 was very different from 2002. The racket that Agassi used in 1993 was very different from the racket that Roddick used to fire his serves in 2003. The development in racket technology has been quite slow since Djokovic changed his racket to Head.

 

[AGreatOne]

1. Seeding 32 for majors didn't help...

2. Eliminating /Reducing variety in the conditions, gravitating to medium and slower conditions didn't help.

3. Promoting and hyping youngsters before they've achieved anything hasn't helped.

4. Fitness for the aged has improved so immensely that the current scoring system no longer weeds them out.

There is more... feel free to chime in.

 

[Badabing888]

So what??

By no means, 36, 32 and 31 year olds are supposed to win grandslams....
Its like sachin tendulkar and brian lara hitting centuries on a regular basis in today's cricket, or anil kumble & murlidharan fvcking batsmen at only 3-4 Runs/over (all are in 40s & in cricket, 40s are somewhat represent 31+ in tennis)

A strong rising ATG or 2 ATGs wont allow it...
Or heck even a very good rising player like hewit/roddick/safin/mury/wawrinka/nalbandian will not allow that.
Nextgen & lostgen & midgen simply suck

Cricket and tennis? WTF? How much energy is expended over hitting a cricket ball and judging between your partner when to run

Well don’t you think that has helped Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and recover after playing 5 set matches? Between matches and tournaments. And it hasn’t helped these players compared to McEnroe and co who would party and take coke between tournaments.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Cricket and tennis? WTF? How much energy is expended over hitting a cricket ball and judging between your partner when to run

Well don’t you think that has helped Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and recover after playing 5 set matches? Between matches and tournaments. And it hasn’t helped these players compared to McEnroe and co who would party and take coke between tournaments.

I didn't compare cricket and tennis, mate. I know that tennis requires way more athleticism, reflexes stamina etc...I just gave an example of correlation.
And if Mac-In-Row and other guys were doing these stuff instead of hard training blocks and exercise, its their fault....
Young players too, get the same technological facilities as big3 (atleast the top 50 guys)
They simply suck...

And that is the biggest reason behind fedalovic still winning big titles, is that :- after fed, rod, hew, nal, saf & co. stepping up a gear to stop samp, aga and co.; djo, nad & mur stepping up to stop fed; none has stepped up after djokodalrray to stop them since 2011.

There is almost a pattern of 1/2 young, ATG level/very good talents start exploding every 4/5 years which then push back the previous gen and current gen (fed in 2003, nad in 2008, djok in 2011, next ???????)
Last time a young (or a ticked bomb) player came into full action, stepping up a gear, was NOVAK DJOKOVIC IN 2011.

Since then, the ground is open for hunting to the likes of djok, nadl, mury as no nextgen player has stepped up to stop them (dimi, nishi, rao, thiem WTF!!) while old federer still hanging in there, (thanks to his longetivity, but this guy is simply not of other 3's generation). No young player(s) being able to stop them in full potential; the ones who did somewhat were not young either (cilic, wawrinka)..

What is happening?? These youngsters, instead of stepping up a gear, are waiting for aging process to finally slow down federer, nadal, djokovic, murray (and heck even delpo, cilic, wawa) so that they claim the throne....
Its like the Lions of forest retiring due to age, and wolves are waiting for just that to fight for throne

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

1. Seeding 32 for majors didn't help...

2. Eliminating /Reducing variety in the conditions, gravitating to medium and slower conditions didn't help.

3. Promoting and hyping youngsters before they've achieved anything hasn't helped.

4. Fitness for the aged has improved so immensely that the current scoring system no longer weeds them out.

There is more... feel free to chime in.

Agree with 3rd one only... Hypes are somewhat killing talents...
Just like :- Zverev won 2 masters by beating the crapovic and backerer, and suddenly was seen as the heir to big3's throne....

Shapovalov taking out nadal at montreal , youngest to reach R4 at slam - USO17; and suddenly some people starts forseeing a new federer inside him....

Chung defeats elbow+malnutritionovic at AO and reach SF after a next win, and suddenly everyone starts feeling a new djokovic in him....

WHAT THE FVCK??????

 

[Sport]

So what??

By no means, 36, 32 and 31 year olds are supposed to win grandslams....
Its like sachin tendulkar and brian lara hitting centuries on a regular basis in today's cricket, or anil kumble & murlidharan fvcking batsmen at only 3-4 Runs/over (all are in 40s & in cricket, 40s are somewhat represent 31+ in tennis)

A strong rising ATG or 2 ATGs wont allow it...
Or heck even a very good rising player like hewit/roddick/safin/mury/wawrinka/nalbandian will not allow that.
Nextgen & lostgen & midgen simply suck

LOL at Hewitt and Roddick stopping the Big 3. How many GS finals have Hewitt and Roddick won against any of the Big 3 between 2004 and 2009? Zero.

 

[Azure]

LOL at Hewitt and Roddick stopping the Big 3. How many GS finals have Hewitt and Roddick won against any of the Big 3 between 2004 and 2009? Zero.

Hey I liked your former avi of the Taxi Driver!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Djoker maintains his lead as the player of the decade in terms of slams in the 2010’s with his Wimby win:

Djoker 12
Nadal 11
Federer 5
Murray 3
Wawrinka 3
Cilic 1

 

[tennis_pro]

Yes the new generations suck, common knowledge since 2012.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

LOL at Hewitt and Roddick stopping the Big 3. How many GS finals have Hewitt and Roddick won against any of the Big 3 between 2004 and 2009? Zero.

Well.. hewitt was finnish after his hip injury, and fred killed both his and roddick's prime...
They are very well underachieved due to fed,....

And any player of their calibre will be enough for today's ancient fed, oldovic and oldal...