Womens Roland Garros final- Schiavone vs Na

French Open final- Schiavone vs Na


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Schiavone to win this match in most likely two sets. Na can hit some big groundstrokes but she has a tendency to spray errors like mad too. Schiavone's variety might just end up driving her crazy. Watch for her to implode while Schiavone wins on her errors.
 

dpg

Rookie
I hope Li Na wins

Her movement to net is good, she always has coming-to-net ready in her mind, which is really good. However, I don't think her lateral movement in baseline is impressive. She compromise a lot of stroke speed in her running shot, despite her normal strokes are not with great pace, thus those running shots become even slower and very attachable to Li Na.
The key for Li Na is if she can consistently hit the ball deep with angle, never yell shallow soft ball to Schiavone to come to the net. I think Li Na should be able to do it most of the time.
I predict Li Na wins in 2 sets. If the match extends to the 3rd set to determine, then Schiavone has better chance.

Bad movement? What match were you watching?

She's one of the best movers on clay in the women's game.
 

dpg

Rookie
I root for Li Na, she will win the final

I think right after AO, Li and her new coach Mortensen have been working on her new mindset during match a lot. She now is more cleaver in shot selection. She used to hit all balls very aggressively even in defensive position. She used to be very hesitating in coming to the net. She did not know how to react in reset the game to neutral and transition from offense to defense and from defense to offense, although she has all the technique to do these.
But gradually, after trying these in her tournament matches (and lost few of them in early this year after AO), she finally changed her game strategy and mindset of how to play a match. She is now a much better game controller then a ball hitter.


After the AO, I was saying Li should just use lower events to prep for the slams, nothing else matters, she's a contender now, with two straight GS finals. The lower tournaments do not matter except for trying new things and adding to your game in actual match play but she doesn't need to fight for those anymore at her level. Li, intentionally or not, may have had the best preparation for the French in losing all those hard court first rounds and not over playing the harsh hc's, which I am very glad to see, and then a couple of good clay semi finals and then now suddenly like a rocket thru Kvitova, Aza and Maria, which nobody expected. I had thought Li might have been injured after AO but if she were, she seems to have recovered and is now incredibly match toughened after those last three matches.

Li vs Schiavone is 2-2; 3 meetings on hard with one on clay which is last years FO 2010 that Francesca won 4 and 2. Neither is an easy opponent for the other.

hmmmm, a happy dilemma here, I like both and would root for both, heart says Li, head says Francesca. I hope Li and Mortensen and Jiang are working furiously on a strategy for this match, however, if it were me, I'd say, well, against Sharapova you would mix it up and use a bit of variety to exploit her movement, but against Francesca, you aren't a Hingis, you cannot out finesse Schiavone on this court with the way she moves on clay and scrambles everything back and with her court craft and variety. In this match and on this your non home surface, you have nothing to lose, just play your A game, i.e : go for it, fire up all cylinders and bash like hell! Hit your opponent off the court. In other words, do what you do best! Its what you love doing anyway.

This kind of pure bashing by the way : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO6mQJo8IhU, and if the conditions play like a hc, might just carry the day for Li.
 

dpg

Rookie
Li Na will win.

You are probably right if you talk Li Na playing before this year.
You must have not followed through her this year, when she plays under her new coach Micheal Mortensen. They have been working very hard to change her game plan, her shot selection, her mindset, and her strategy. She plays much smarter and more calmer.
I think she will surprise you during the final.


Mug Na will have no answers I'm afraid, she is a typical WTA ball basher only capable of low margin flat hard shots, and only able to deal with those same types of shots coming at her.

She has no understanding of how to construct a point, how to volley, how to use angles and she will have no ability to deal with the crafty mix Schiavone employs.

Expect to see a bagel and a breadstick.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Tough call. Would like for Li to win because Fran's already won, but wouldn't be disappointed if Fran won either.

I like them both, but see Fran getting by in straights. She's just got too much heart, guile, and variety.

Here's to a good match.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
Watch that Li/Pierce USO match clip I posted. Li just be her aggressive self and execute her bashing game. Trying to out maneuver Schiavone probably wouldn't work. BUT also throw in some craftiness and mix her ground patterns once in a while.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I have no clue who is going to win this one. Could go either way depending on a lot of different factors.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Watch that Li/Pierce USO match clip I posted. Li just be her aggressive self and execute her bashing game. Trying to out maneuver Schiavone probably wouldn't work. BUT also throw in some craftiness and mix her ground patterns once in a while.

Nice!

Li's been around for awhile. I wonder why she didn't have better results earlier in her career. I was a Mary Pierce fan, but I don't remember seeing this match. Thanks!
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
I will be happy with either result. If I knew Li Na would win a different major I would cheer for Schiavone as I feel she plays more real clay tennis and deserves to defend her title. On the other hand while I believe Li Na can win Wimbledon or the U.S Open, maybe even this year, it is by no means certain, and I would hate to see her retire slamless.
 

Kwanfan

Semi-Pro
I like them both but I think the Italian might win. I am rooting for Li Na. The win will do a ton of good for tennis in Asia.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
I will be happy with either result. If I knew Li Na would win a different major I would cheer for Schiavone as I feel she plays more real clay tennis and deserves to defend her title. On the other hand while I believe Li Na can win Wimbledon or the U.S Open, maybe even this year, it is by no means certain, and I would hate to see her retire slamless.

Great post. That sums it up very nicely.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
^ I think initially Li Na was working with Sharapova's current coach in the months BEFORE the Aus Open.

Then in January the mofo dumped her. Not exactly sure how or why but apparently he notified Na Li via email (suggesting that he sneaked and run away to Sharapova) this happened right before the AO if I'm correct. I guess Pova being a "big fish" and a bigger status symbol he felt cocky and "too important" to have the dignity to come and tell his previous client face to face.

So anyway Na ended up with no coach so I suppose her husband took over initially but then she is now back with a dedicated pro coach (i.e. that Mortensen guy).
 

dpg

Rookie
Yes, her husband Jiang Shan was her coach during AO, since right before AO, her coach Thomas Hogstead, who is Sharopova's current coach, left Li Na to work with Maria. After AO, she started to work with her current coach Michael Mortensen. And it turns out to be a good move, since her game changed dramatically since then. She used to be too aggressive even in defense position, that caused her so many unnecessary UEs. Now she is smarter in shot selection and more confident to play defensive shot.

I thought her husband was her coach, that's what she said during the AO, right ? So this is a new change ?
 

FuriousYellow

Professional
Then in January the mofo dumped her. Not exactly sure how or why but apparently he notified Na Li via email (suggesting that he sneaked and run away to Sharapova) this happened right before the AO if I'm correct. I guess Pova being a "big fish" and a bigger status symbol he felt cocky and "too important" to have the dignity to come and tell his previous client face to face.
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I guess he couldn't wait to be the next coach who couldn't fix Sharapova's serve.
 
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HurricaneDominic

Guest
I believe Mortensen has only recently become Li's Coach.
I think it may have been at the start of the Clay Court season. This was after her losing 5 matches in a row on the hardcourt run after the AO.
She's doing great. But what are the chances of her winning Wimbledon? She's proved that she is an all court player, but if Venus/Serena return before Wimbledon and are playing well there it may be hard.
If Li Na can sustain this level of play until the US Open, then she will be a threat for both Wimbledon and the US Open. I would LOVE to see her win Wimbledon.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Mortensen became Li's coach during the clay court or right before the clay court season. She stated that she was frustrated by her post-AO results and also by the fact that having her husband as her main coach made it necessary for him to be with her all the time. She felt she needed a fresh start.

This Mortensen guy is clearly giving her great advice. He seems to understand her strenghts and realizes he doesn't need to retool her entire game, just adjust it a little. Yes, Li is still a big hitter, maybe even a "basher" and she's still going to have some inconsistency and some cold streaks. But, I've watched her matches and she really does do some things smarter than she used to. She rolls more balls wiating for better opportunities, she mixes in drop shots a little more. Most importantly, she repositions herself when in a defensive position much more than she used to. Pulled wide on the run, she would previously go for a down the line winner or a huge cross court angle most of the time. Now I see her hitting a deep ball to the center or high loopy ball down the line so she can get back to the middle of the court. Not saying she's suddenly the most nuanced player ever, but she's impressively made these small adjustments. 2 clay semis (Rome, Madrid) and the French Open final suggest Li/Mortensen is a good combo.

But, I also read that Mortensen was on a three-tournament trial basis and that they were going to talk after the French Open about the future. Li says she wants to continue with him.
 

luv2volley

Rookie
Li Na and Francessa are playing with same tactic and game plan, using angle shots to open up the court. Francessa has more topspin and Li Na has flatter shots. IMO, it's the unforced errors and stamina will dictate who can carry out the tactic and the game plan better at the end.
 

moshi2

Rookie
I was hoping Fran-Maria final. But I'm still happy to get Fran-Li Na final. Both of them deserve to be there & I'm happy for whoever wins this.

If Fran wins, it's a huge proof for her that last year wasn't luck or fluke.
If Li Na wins, good for her & Asian tennis. Hopefully 2nd time final is a charm for her.

Both of them are the 'older' generation of WTA....so there aren't a lot of time left for them. From this POV, I'd like to see Li Na to win.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
I'd say : Li Na, just be yourself today. Use your will, take hold of the match firmly and impose your bashing game and crushing flat forehand from the start. Against Francesca, don't think at all, don't fall into her snare, ignore all her guile and craft and hit right thru her awkward heavy topspin. If you can do it to the last three, especially to Sharapova, you can overwhelm Schiavone too. (Pavvy could do it but was too fat to keep running after wiry Francesca.) IF Li can execute and NOT ever let Schiavone get all fired up, it should be 2 sets for Li.
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I want Schiavone to defend her title, so she will remover herself from any "fluke" conversations. Aside from that, she has a fantastic game, and that alone deserves majors.
 
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HurricaneDominic

Guest
Ok . .

Time to turn our attention to the ladies.
We get it Federer bt. Djokovic but why are there 10,000 threads about it? (a little exaggeration).

GO LI NA ! ! !
 

bezs

G.O.A.T.
According to the bookmakers Li Na is the favorite for the match interesting..... Could turn out like the epic men's semi where the old head is not favored.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I'll go with Francesca in 2,she faces Na li type way more often than the other way around,add some nerves(normal in a slam final)and I think Schiavone will easily upset Li na's rhytm with her spins and some calculated net rushing.
 
Who cares? Yawn.......

Salient post. Nailed it.

shavone is old , sickness , bad move ment
i think she s better if she use a big serve , don t come to net
otherwise china gonna get a new champ

but she s 31
why she not retire ?
1hbh is not good in today gen of tenis , she ll lose

She not re tire cus she not gonna have bambini. Not in the plan fo her with the sickness and bad move ment.
What ever. She lose any way. Her chance sit between slim and none. Slim left building now hahah.

Why Li Na not retire yet? She ony a year young er than shavone. Man. O well. No prollem.

China gon get a new champ, yes, cuz Li Na got a 2 hand back han. Now I got to ask u this, friend: why Li Na change coach? Husband not smart en ough? Why he sit there with red and yellow shirt and look like charlatan? What he dun know dun hurt him maybe.

EDIT:
Sorry for satirical syntax. Honest question, tho.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
Salient post. Nailed it.





She not re tire cus she not gonna have bambini. Not in the plan fo her with the sickness and bad move ment.
What ever. She lose any way. Her chance sit between slim and none. Slim left building now hahah.

Why Li Na not retire yet? She ony a year young er than shavone. Man. O well. No prollem.

China gon get a new champ, yes, cuz Li Na got a 2 hand back han. Now I got to ask u this, friend: why Li Na change coach? Husband not smart en ough? Why he sit there with red and yellow shirt and look like charlatan? What he dun know dun hurt him maybe.

EDIT:
Sorry for satirical syntax. Honest question, tho.

What is the qustion? Who cares about the final? I care because I like Francesca's game and her smile and I think Na Li is a babe,good enough reasons?
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
3 moar poasts and yer a legend dude.

You're already a legend in my heart though papi.

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Zildite

Hall of Fame
So if Rafi is Bull, Djoki is Tiger and Rogi is soaring Golden Eagle, what are Li and Franki? This is important.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
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Never forsake the eagle.

Trust in him and ye shall harness the power of truth in posting rightousness and non trollery items.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
Biggest reason to care is Francesca, you can count on it being an interesting match one way or another. :) If Li can't get into that championship state of mind that nobody will stop her from taking what is hers, from the first point onwards, the above scenario will likely play out. AO 2011 final was a match that Li had zero self belief in herself that she could and ought to win when she really should have won though Kim was the better and more experienced player at that sf and final of GS stage. Li was so nervous she basically gave away the first 8 points of the match without even trying but still won the first set 6-3 because Kim was in a bad patch and off to a slow start. Li could have won the second but kept hitting those key volleys and overheads right back at Kim's feet. And then in the third Li was exhausted and Kim was grooved. Li's one of the big girls now, she can contend for majors. Save your best for slams. Let people like Woz and Aza ham it up in the lower tournaments. This final is probably only a matter of who wills to win more.

btw, the womens legends doubles going on right now with Hingis/Davenport vs Temesvari/Testud is VERY enjoyable with lots of sharp serve volleying from all four ladies.

And the French crowd and Hingis seem to be way past the unfortunate 1999 incident. :)
 
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HurricaneDominic

Guest
This is how I see it.

Francesca Schiavone:

Best Surface: Clay
2nd GS Final
Defending Champion - Passionate but brings expectations as she has won it before, she must feel pressure to defend.
Tough matches against Jankovic and Pavlyuchenkova

Li Na:

Best Surface: Hard?
2nd GS Final
Runner Up in Australian Open - maybe feels expectation to win GS for China and win GS as it's her 2nd attempt. BUT she had never previously got past the 4th round of RG, so she is HAPPY to be here.
Tough match against Kvitova. She has had the more impressive wins during the tournament beating 3 players who were said to be more of a 'favourite' than her.

If Li Na goes out there just happy to be in a Final with little pressure, then she may swing freely and thump Schiavone. I think being from China, she has HUGE expectations whether she admits it or not.
Schiavone wants to defend her title and I think she may feel pressure out there to do so.
I don't however think Schiavone's grunt will be an issue to Li Na. I think it would annoy some players if they had not played her before, but Li has 4 times, and also Li Na has played Sharapova and Azarenka in previous rounds so she should block it out.

If Schiavone plays like she did vs Pavlyuchenkova, I feel she will be demolished. If she plays like she did vs Bartoli, I expect 3 sets!
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
This is how I see it.

Francesca Schiavone:

Best Surface: Clay
2nd GS Final
Defending Champion - Passionate but brings expectations as she has won it before, she must feel pressure to defend.
Tough matches against Jankovic and Pavlyuchenkova

Li Na:

Best Surface: Hard?
2nd GS Final
Runner Up in Australian Open - maybe feels expectation to win GS for China and win GS as it's her 2nd attempt. BUT she had never previously got past the 4th round of RG, so she is HAPPY to be here.
Tough match against Kvitova. She has had the more impressive wins during the tournament beating 3 players who were said to be more of a 'favourite' than her.

If Li Na goes out there just happy to be in a Final with little pressure, then she may swing freely and thump Schiavone. I think being from China, she has HUGE expectations whether she admits it or not.
Schiavone wants to defend her title and I think she may feel pressure out there to do so.
I don't however think Schiavone's grunt will be an issue to Li Na. I think it would annoy some players if they had not played her before, but Li has 4 times, and also Li Na has played Sharapova and Azarenka in previous rounds so she should block it out.

If Schiavone plays like she did vs Pavlyuchenkova, I feel she will be demolished. If she plays like she did vs Bartoli, I expect 3 sets!

Just checking their career stats on Wiki;

Schiavone has 4 WTA Titles 3 clay one hard. Except that one of those clay titles happened to be FO 2010.

Li has 4 WTA, three hard one grass.

In the 2000's Li would lose in third or fourth round of FO when she did play. She was absent several years and she had quit at one point for study.

But until her win in 2010, Schiavone was the type who also lost in early rounds at FO. She only made one FO QF in 2001.

Actually, pending this final and aside from Francesca's 2010 FO win, both ladies have nearly comparable level of accomplishments and both Schiavone and Li in the 2000s were not usually the types who made it past the first week in slams, neither were they ever real threats to the top contenders of the day by the second week.
 
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