g4driver
Legend
Appreciate your understanding and your post.
I watched one video of guy giving weak feeds to another player, commented on it and somehow that makes me the bad guy to LeeD? Laughable.
What rating do you think this player is?
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Appreciate your understanding and your post.
I watched one video of guy giving weak feeds to another player, commented on it and somehow that makes me the bad guy to LeeD? Laughable.
Papa Mango
Professional
IA-S I see what you did here.....
@LeeD thanks for defending my honor.. but the only thing that is happening in 16 seconds is ... well that's how long it takes me get out of the car nowadays..
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Papa Mango
Professional
@g4driver I am good with the 3.0 rating based on the video, but where can I get this "vanity" rating? TW or do I have to go stand in line somewhere?
So in your section you have some ex-college players beating up on 4.5's but maintaining a 4.0 rating and also people with these vanity ratings where they are 4.5C's but actually are 3.5?
Would be great to see some video footage of some competitive 4.0 play from your section if there is any.
Papa Mango
Professional
you two, @Moveforwardalways and @S&V-not_dead_yet, please stay out as you are making too much sense, this is a rate a player from video thread here..
Papa Mango
Professional
6.5- ? There was one game where I blasted 4 backhand ROS winners right back at his feet, but that obviously got recorded over with a video of some goats grazing in the east bay hills... Let me know if you want to see the video of the goats.Hey Papa i think you sell yourself short. That very first backhand you hit had R.Federer written all over it! And if it takes HIS level of skill to shank and mis-hit backhands wildly, i think your higher than you give yourself credit for. And plus, Roger can never complain that his racquets arent restrung or he was hungover or too hot etc etc. So judging by that one shot, i think your at least 5.5 or higher.
tennis tom
Legend
Hey I saw the same video and have NEVER seen or know of the players. I rated them 4.0/4.5. Lee is right and someone else, who will remain nameless, is wrong. I don't think Lee said anything harsh--but someone else got butt-hurt and is giving up his USTA rater's clipboard--fair is fair.
Both guys would beat you comfortably. It would be bagels and breadsticks 99% of the time on the basis of the videos you posted. You can see they are not the typical tt arm chair tennis player; they are fit, move reasonably fast, can sustain long rallies, don't have glaring weaknesses. This is 4.0 tennis.
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I mean these two.....
Can you post the link with your video?
2000 messages on this forum and yet to post your own video, you are a good player, why?
Interesting. What are their records at 4.0?
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
Does it matter? Even assuming they lose a lot (which I have no idea), a low 4.0C is still a real 4.0. As the saying goes, the person who graduates last in their medical school class is still a doctor.
I'm much too lazy to ever do the work needed to post a video.
Meh. That doesn't really apply to league NTRP. I know plenty of people that should be rated a level lower than they are actually rated.
I've seen G4 and his guys play before. I really just don't see them struggling with papa mango at all.
Maybe the video was just a poor example of his play.
BeyondTheTape
Semi-Pro
brother @Startzel , are you following the 18+ Southern Sectionals this morning - weekend? Who do you like?
g4driver
Legend
Papa Mango.
Find someone going to Mobile Alabama next week and ask them to watch and video one of the singles players on the 4.5 40+ LCTA team. Sorry I don't have a handheld recorded just an iPhone.
Want a Vanity Rating ? Simple. Play up and when you don't get bumped up, appeal up. And then let time work the magic. Play three matches a year and get beat each time but win 3 games a match. Your Vanity Rating is secure.
Some guys get it and some guys don't.
I admittedly haven't kept up with it this year. I was away with the Army for the spring season so I'm pretty out of touch at the moment.
BeyondTheTape
Semi-Pro
Thank you for your service.
g4driver
Legend
So you think i showed up to a match with multiple 4.0 and 4.5 friends / teammates that happen to be playing for the opposing team on that night , meet my partner for the very first time, then when I saw him hobbling along due to some knee injury thought it would be a great idea to ask a random stranger to record it? [emoji102]
This was my partner's first USTA match of 2017. Why? Maybe he was injured. He did hobble and wore a giant knee brace. Or perhaps he wasn't asked to play 18+ or 40+ 4.5 because he isn't very good as a 4.5.
Some players know where they are. They are comfortable with their game, don't play up, and don't have videos of themselves taken and post for random strangers to "grade" I am very comfortable at 4.0 and don't have any desire to have a 4.5 rating where I would stink. I refused to play up at 4.5 even when invited. Schmke has me getting bumped to 4.5 this year, but I highly doubt that happens. If it does, I will certainly hit "appeal down". I know my place and it isn't 4.5.
Thank you for your support. Who do you see as the favorites?
g4driver
Legend
This is my point. The video has no serves, no points. Just two players hitting with a lot of short feeds.
BeyondTheTape
Semi-Pro
I think Flight B 4.0 Men is strong with SC, LA, MS. I'd imagine the sectional winner will come from that flight. The other flight seems watered down.
Which leads to a question..how are flights determined at Sectionals? Random I would assume?
4.5M flights look more balanced than 4.0. Should have a good final there.
g4driver
Legend
Kinda like this. Textbook Vanity 3.5 who appealed up after being bumped down.
OnTheLine
Hall of Fame
yup Vanity Ratings ... I like the phrase.
... there is one that is on my thank-god-it-doesn't-count 3.5 summer team.
Was bumped DOWN to 2.5, appealed UP to 3.0A and ONLY plays 3.5 league.
record: 0-29 for 2017 YTD !!!!!
And then, because I made the mistake of saying yes to captaining for the summer, this player COMPLAINS when placed in D3. Says: "I am an athlete, I should play D1". Are you kidding me??? I actually replied with: being an "athlete" doesn't mean you know how to win. If you can win at D3, I will consider moving you up a line provided that matches are strong wins.
Same player double-faulted 2 entire service games. Trying to go for nothing but big serves, muttering about "I'm not pronating enough" WTH, just get the ball in the court you idiot!
... there is one that is on my thank-god-it-doesn't-count 3.5 summer team.
Was bumped DOWN to 2.5, appealed UP to 3.0A and ONLY plays 3.5 league.
record: 0-29 for 2017 YTD !!!!!
And then, because I made the mistake of saying yes to captaining for the summer, this player COMPLAINS when placed in D3. Says: "I am an athlete, I should play D1". Are you kidding me??? I actually replied with: being an "athlete" doesn't mean you know how to win. If you can win at D3, I will consider moving you up a line provided that matches are strong wins.
Same player double-faulted 2 entire service games. Trying to go for nothing but big serves, muttering about "I'm not pronating enough" WTH, just get the ball in the court you idiot!
Did he say he only lost because his opponent was a pusher and didn't play real tennis?
After 100 posts, you'd think the idea of just commenting on the video pointless.
Fxanimator1
Hall of Fame
I was almost positive that was Shroud on the near side, based on seeing his strokes many times before. So I think he was a 4.0.
The far side guy, I have no idea who it is, but it seemed like he wasn't really even sure himself, where the ball was actually going go. I based my opinion on the notion that this was cooperative hitting and there seemed a lack of control, so to me he seemed a half point less than the Shroudster.
The far side guy, I have no idea who it is, but it seemed like he wasn't really even sure himself, where the ball was actually going go. I based my opinion on the notion that this was cooperative hitting and there seemed a lack of control, so to me he seemed a half point less than the Shroudster.
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
If you get bumped to 4.5 by the computer, then "your place" is 4.5. Just because you want to sandbag doesn't mean that's "your place".
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Yep it was me. Sad thing is he beats me pretty regularly especially since we always play at night or in the morning when its cold. Even in sweats my back is tight and i never get fully lose. Didnt have that problem when i was in florida!!
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Is there perchance a topic that doesn't get acrimonious on TT?
tennis tom
Legend
this IS the internets--you CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
g4driver
Legend
Sandbagger ? Now that's funny. You have know idea how wrong you are. I had a third back surgery in Jan for a second herniated disc.
That surgery doesn't make you better. It's like tying a knot in a rope. Reducing the rope's strength. My back hurts every day and will never be the same, nor will my tennis. The USTA has issues with sandbagging and tanking, but I'm not part of the problem. Sandbaggers lose matches that affect their DNTRP, not mixed and combo matches. My results are polar opposite. Win in the spring and lose at mixed. If I had been sandbagging, I would have lost and tanked in the spring. I play where I land and who's in front of me, but no, my place isn't 4.5.
Check out the thread about sandbagging. I've posted my .02 on two things that would curb sandbagging. Adopting a USGA type DNTRP System and putting anti-tanking code in the algorithm.
g4driver
Legend
You look like you would destroy him if you played a match against him. So hence my comments on the video. The OP's video of Papa Mango does him a disservice.
tennis tom
Legend
For back problems, read Dr. John E. Sarno's groundbreaking and revolutionary book, "HEALING BACK PAIN".
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
But here's the thing. If you get bumped to 4.5 even with a history of back surgery, that still means you are a 4.5. The only reason to appeal down is because you want to win more, and you would rather be a high 4.0 and win than a low 4.5 and lose. Nothing wrong with that, but that's essentially the definition of sandbagging.
g4driver
Legend
By your definition, guilty I am. The reason for guys like me to appeal down is to avoid the 5.0 guys who tank and then appeal down to 4.5.
If I were sandbagger, would I lose at 8.0 mixed with a 4.0 lady if I were 4.5 ? Basically that would be at least 8.5 vs 8.0 correct? But lose I did. Ironically to two former 4.5 players who both appealed back to 4.0. Funny how this works. [emoji26]
No, I am not considered a sandbagger in my little world. Do you see why no hack 4.0 wants to be a 4.5 when our 4.5 league is overrun with 4.5A appeal players? Our league is out of whack. 4.0 guys are a dime a dozen and yes, I am comfortable at 4.0, but certainly not unbeatable. The greatest skill level gap of all leagues for us is at 4.5 where 4.5 guys appealed down and continue to tank.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
Try starting a thread discussing acrimony and see what happens!
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
What do you do to warm up your back? Is there some sort of neoprene sleeve you can wear [common for knees]? Those things heat up the affected area quickly and restrict movement to some degree.
Here's a good back stretch: lie down on your stomach. Keep your hips on the ground. Push your upper body up off of the ground, similar to a pushup but your hips and legs stay on the ground. The wider your hands are apart, the easier the stretch. I'd start at a very wide spread and just see if you can push up a foot or so. Do it slowly. As you get more flexible, your spread should get narrower [say, shoulder width] and you should be able to push until your arms lock.
Also, it may not be just your back: hamstrings are shock absorbers when they are flexible. When they are tight, most of that strain goes straight to your lower back. You might consider a stretching regimen on your off-tennis days.
Don't forget the core, also.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Excellent post! Thanks
Yeah I don't understand why they post a video of him looking like a 3.5 then get upset when he's called a 3.5.
g4driver
Legend
Not sure why the OP would post that video either. I take Shroud's word as he has no reason to lie.
Based on the video, it appears Shroud would destroy Papa Mango. The funny part is the guys in the video weren't the ones upset. They both know they are better than that video. The joke was on everyone who didn't know them and called the video as we saw it.
Hopefully someone here goes to Mobile next weekend and catches some of Cohen's 4.5 singles on video.
wings56
Hall of Fame
So much yes
tennis tom
Legend
He has the strokes. Here's how I came to my rating of 4.5+, the OP asked to rate the player on the far-side, that's what I did. I paid NO attention to the player in the sweats--no offense to him--but he must be an excellent player to be on the same court and wearing sweats. Tennis is about timing, footwork and technique--the player I was asked to evaluate has all three. He has a full range of motion on all his shots. He has excellent technique, he has excellent timing, he has excellent footwork. He is very fit, not carrying any extra weight! Fitness wise, he's in better shape then many WTA players. He comes to the net on short balls and has correct volley technique-he's an all court player.
He is very flexible, loose and confident on the court. He's wearing a short sleeve shirt so he Nadal is probably one of his role models. We didn't see any serves--which is the MOST important shot in tennis. If he has a serve to match the rest of his game, then he's easily a strong 4.0 in a very competive region, NORCAL--home to Don Budge, who some who knew him, say he could have been the greatest player in history, and certainly in the top ten, and having the "best BH" in history. Also Tom Brown and Whitney Reed hailed from his part of the Bay Area. Can't discern his age from the vid but he could be in the top ten in his age group locally and since he's from kali top ten nationally. The vid does not measure heart or the choke factor, but I bet he's very competitive and doesn't give up on matches, he can come from behind if he has to and wins his tie-breaks.
tennis tom
Legend
Thanks for the offer, it's greatly appreciated--you're not going to throw it at me are you?
I'll let you know when I'm down in the desert when it cools off in the fall. I'm up in the NW playing some tournaments now. I like playing the seniors at Palisades, Newport and the La Jolla BTC. I can rally with you, but only play singles in tournaments or dubs for rec--don't have enough cartilage to spare for practice matches--I'm one leg away from wheelchair tennis--which is really difficult, I've tried it, those players have ALL my respect. I might skip golf altogether and go directly to croquet--they know how to party. Pyramid Apricot Ale is my favorite, the Beer Hunter in La Quinta near the gardens has it--BTW Budge retired down to La Quinta.I just don't personally see it. Maybe i'm wrong and his record shows he's a very successful 4.0. But I just don't see any developed weapons in his game from the video I saw posted. Maybe you're right about his fitness and it allows him to push his way to remain a 4.0. I just saw a bunch of balls hit back to the middle of the court and an opponent that couldn't take advantage of it (in the video of him playing the other guy in white).
But there is no way they're close to 4.5. I found the video of shroud vs nytennisaddict and there is a world of difference between the two players.
Zlatni
Rookie
Don't mean to butt in (but I will, just for informational purposes)
They have some har-tru courts right down the road at La Quinta Resort. They are a bit pricey though
And if you guys are feeling adventurous JW Marriott has couple of grass courts [emoji106]
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