Prince Phantom Pro and Phantom Pro100P
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ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
The Pro 100 is still my favorite in the Phantom line, but it does require weight to bring the best out of it.
How much did you add and where?
I usually playing the Prestige line or Tecnifibre T-Fight 315 (the very old version), so I'm used to swinging around a bit more weight.
It's interesting - most people here seem to recommend adding weight to any of the Phantoms 100/100P/93p.
Did you try the 93p as well?
I would probably add a little weight to match my 100p if I got one. Would love to compare the difference between a box and non box beam. It would probably feel like my old exo tour which was a nice feel.
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
I added 7 grams under the bumper. My swing-weight is up around the high 330's. Also added a leather grip. I am up around 348 grams strung with over-grip and dampener, 31.5 cm balance. Hit's beautifully.
You should enjoy it if your used the older Prestige's and older T-Fight. It's puts a new twist to that old classic feel with the open string pattern and CTS beam. Also being a 100 sq inches makes more forgiving and the thin profile allows it cut through the air really well. So higher swing weights don't feel as cumbersome.
Also have the 93p, it's also a great frame but not as flexy as the Pro 100. The 93p doesn't need any weight, string it up and add an over-grip and you're good to go. Had the Phantom Pro 100p and I like the 93p much better than the 100p. Ended up selling the 100p.
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ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
Haven't played the EXO Tour, was that CTS beam also? Did it have ports? If it did have ports, than I imagine it would be somewhat similar the Phantom 100 which I also had. The Pro 100 is firmer and provides more feedback while still offering a good level of flex/pocketing for me. The Phantom 100 was too muted for me. So if the EXO Tour had the ports, it would be worthwhile trying out the Pro 100 as it should provide a different experience.
Yea it had ports but was tapered beam 18-20-18mm I think it was. It was slightly too flexy for me but still a fantastic frame for the spin game. I had issues with getting my slices to skid and penetrate.
Gamechanger
New User
Played the TT100P today. It is really a nice balanced Racket. But for one handed Backhand really a Challenge to play a higher, constant Spin Ball with loose Wrist, cause the Impulse from the Racket goes more Forward and the 100sq. Racket needs really fast Acceleration to bring the Ball down. Perhaps a little bit easier with a shaped Poly!? Or playing with gut hybrid for smoother Strokes.
Besides that, i think it could be a really good Baseliner Stick, especially for two handers. Like a littler stiffer, more open patternd and bigger Headsize Blade. You tried it also with Poly? Or are you in general more of a gut hybrid Player?
So I finally got to hit with it today, plays beautifully. Easy access to tons of spin. Some weight will make it even more pleasant.
Edit: ok, just saw you also mentioned a dampener - but still...
The 100p I'm not very interested in after reading what people here have to say. Doesn't sound like it would be the racquet for me.
How did you end up with 348g? Mine is 320 with strings and overgrip, so it should be pretty close to the specifications (305g). Assuming yours had the same unstrung weight, the leather grip would have to be 21g heavier than original synthetic grip + wilson pro overgrip
Edit: ok, just saw you also mentioned a dampener - but still...
Yeah I probably won't try the 93p anytime soon since it's not available on this side of the Atlantic, unless someone from the US is up for a swap for one ore more racquets that I'm letting go at the moment. I usually buy used racquets when I haven't got any experience with the frame.
The 100p I'm not very interested in after reading what people here have to say. Doesn't sound like it would be the racquet for me.
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
So I finally got to hit with it today, plays beautifully. Easy access to tons of spin. Some weight will make it even more pleasant.
How did you end up with 348g? Mine is 320 with strings and overgrip, so it should be pretty close to the specifications (305g). Assuming yours had the same unstrung weight, the leather grip would have to be 21g heavier than original synthetic grip + wilson pro overgrip
Edit: ok, just saw you also mentioned a dampener - but still...
Yeah I probably won't try the 93p anytime soon since it's not available on this side of the Atlantic, unless someone from the US is up for a swap for one ore more racquets that I'm letting go at the moment. I usually buy used racquets when I haven't got any experience with the frame.
The 100p I'm not very interested in after reading what people here have to say. Doesn't sound like it would be the racquet for me.
My base weight for the PP100 was 303 grams. Removed the synthetic grip takes it down to approx 293 grams. Adding leather grip add 20 grams which makes it 313, add 7 grams under the bumper takes it to approx 320 grams. Add 5 grams blue tack in handle takes it 325 grams. Strings add 16 grams which we are now at 341 grams. Over-grip add 6 grams, 347 grams. Dampener 2 grams, final weight approx 349.
How did you find the PP100 compares to the Prestiges and the TFight?
I find the PP100 to be very stable with nice pocketing and the open pattern just allows you to be so much more creative with variety of shots and spin.
I missed the blue tack in the handle, sorry. 349g with this frame should create quite some power. I probably won't take mine that high, but am really looking forward to tuning the specs a little.
How do you find the blue tack to change the feel? I tried it once before with my Prestige S, hoping it would feel similar to silicone. Didn't like the result too much though.
That's hard to say at this point. I was only hitting with it for about 20mins and I was really off today with my timing/footwork. However, I did notice quickly that it's a lot more forgiving compared to Prestige and T-Fight. It probably won't give me the laser precision of the 18x20 95/98sqin Prestige/T-Fight with 1.12 stringing, but I was able to place the balls nicely. The spin was quite amazing. Having the open pattern plus a racquet that is easy to move through the air generates a lot of rpm.
I can't make general statements like that yet. But I really liked the first impression and I'm very much looking forward to the next session!
Where are you winding with string and tension? I'm finding the PP100 doesn't like mid-high tensions in the gut/poly setups that I use in all my other frames.
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
I have settled on 52/50 for the PP100 and have mainly played it with Yonex Poly Tour Pro (Black). Have also tried Hyper-G 1.25, Tour Bite 1.25 and ALU Power Rough. I liked ALU Power Rough in the frame didn't like Hyper-G and Tour Bite. I find the frame to be so comfortable with Poly Tour Pro at 52/50 I haven't really considered using Gut in this frame. I have had a similar experience when I went higher than 52/50, I think the low 50's is probably the highest you should go in this frame.
monsterkicker79
New User
Did you by chance took photos when you did the mods? (Bumper and handle) Thanks.
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ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
Sorry didn't take photos of the mods. Can't take photos of the bumper now as I have strung them. Will see if I can get some photos of the butt cap/trap door. Basically the lead run all the way across the top of frame, I added a small amount of l lead at 10 & 2 after laying the initial long strip of lead across the top of the frame.
Hayward Butler
Rookie
It would be nice to see photos of players new Phantoms and their customisations. Customised grips, weight and string colors add a bit fun to the sport. People have different taste in frames and what they want to get out of them so it would be nice to see people sharing ideas in full view.
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Sorry about the spelling. I meant customization. My tablet almost has a mind of it's own. I have to make sure that I use the correct language. Sometimes I mix Danish and English spellings. Just replace the text with the correct, customization and customized.
I'm not sure the Brits here will appreciate the apology
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Sorry guys no harm intendedI'm not sure the Brits here will appreciate the apology
Hayward Butler
Rookie
Sorry guys no harm intendedI'm not sure the Brits here will appreciate the apology
Nick777
Semi-Pro
String low with soft poly and you ll have decent power, the high sw helps for a deep ball, i string 19-20kg which i normally string 23-24kg other rackets, the control is there dont worry
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
I will try to post some pics of my Pro100 I customized this weekend. I had it extended to 27.5" with a custom molded handle, a leather grip, and lead under the bumper...
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Just finished an hour session where I was able to hit a bit with my PP100P. My first impression wasn't all that, tbh. It's solid, stable and swings nicely, but there's nothing special about it. I actually prefer my old Graphite Pro 90's, but quite a bit. When we started playing points, I took out my leaded TT100T's.
The new VCore Pro 97 is looking mighty tempting.
The new VCore Pro 97 is looking mighty tempting.
Have you tried any other Phantom models?
Give it a few more sessions. My first impression was the same until a few more hits in. The more I played with mine the more I understood it and started to see results. Even more so when I've established what it needed and added a tiny amount of weight to get it. When I started to volley more in started to really like it.
Hayward Butler
Rookie
What type of string did you use? Flexible racquets need strings that lean towards power. Some players are using a full set of poly in these frames. I think even soft power oriented polys may not achieve the best results. Try a hybrid or a control oriented multi. Thinner gauges also work really well in flexible frames like the Pro 100 and the Pro 100P, just don't go below 17 in an open pattern frame unless you don't mind the extra cost. I have played with frames that are much lower powered than the Phantoms and was able to get a lot of juice out of them with proper technique and a control oriented multi. A good hybrid would probably be a soft poly combined with a powerful multi like X-1 or NRG2.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
When using rackets that are markedly different from the norm, there is an adjustment period. I didn't gel with my Prince Phantom 100 for weeks. I knew it swung nice. I knew it was the most comfy racket I've ever held. But the performance wasn't fantastic especially on serves. Then I switched to an Origin/velocity hybrid at lower tensions than I usually use. Then I added lead at 12 O'clock. I adjusted my game to evolve more all -court play with slice approaches and volleys. Now I really love the racket. But because it was so different from my Pure Drives and Blades, it took some discovery to get it right.
About the only thing that doesn't work so well is my 2HBH. But given i play mostly doubles, that's stroke I can live without being perfect. The Phantom slices so well I almost prefer that stroke on our slippery clay and hard courts at the club.
And best thing, my arm hasn't felt this good in 2 years. And that's really at least half the allure of the Phantom line. They aren't tennis on easy mode like a Pure Drive. But they are comfortable as hell and will keep you in the game longer.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
I just don't like the ported feel. But I haven't hit with a ported Phantom.
Same here. I didn't get that much time with the racquet yet. It feels nice, but something is just off. I pulled it out at the start of the session today and was hitting so-so. Did some serving practice and really had a hard time hitting decent serves. I thought it's just me because I really didn't get to play much lately. After a while I got the Prestige and T-Fight 315 (both 18x20) out of my bag and was absolutely hammering the serves any way I wanted - flat, kick with loads of net clearance or slice.
I think I'll try getting more weight on the Phantom Pro and see what happens.
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
had an identical experience; hit with two of the Phantoms, didn't feel like they did much for my game, pulled out a mildly weighted TT100T from the bag and felt like I could suddenly end points, and with plenty of comfort
Moonarse
Semi-Pro
There's the instability problems some refered to...
Prince quality control is just bad with new phantom racquets
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Yes, I did also own the ported version, Phantom 100.
Well, I have extensive experience with the Tour 100s and the ported Phantom 100, in addition to my graphite pro 90s, and I prefer the latter by a landslide. It's a good racket ofc, but I play much better with my TT100Ts, and the feel of the Duel G 97s I sold a few months ago (grip size change) was way better imo. So, next up: Vcore Pro 97s ;-)
In the Phantom 100: TCS.
In the Phantom Pro 100P: RPM Blast/VS hybrid.
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Also a dud?
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Yes. As much as I like the thin box beams, I play much better with the TT100Ts.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Not so much a dud, but somewhat disappointing. The Phantoms are nice rackets, but they lack the solidness of a Prestige, PS97S or my old Graphite Pro 90s.
Moving away from the TT100Ts in search of more control and feel, I'm going for the Vcore Pro 97 or wait a bit longer for the new Twaron/textreme Tour 95.
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Deleted member 54265
Guest
What about TT100P or TT95, did you play those ? My son has a TT100L and that is a great racquet too. My favorite of the TT is the 100P perfect blend of control, power and comfort.
The Twaron TT95 sounds good. I will also be sure to test that out.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Is there any proof/confirmation/shady looking character whispering on a street corner that a Twaron TT95 is actually happening?
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Yes, I've owned multiple rackets of both. The TT95 is one of my all time favs. Moved to the Duel G 97 (310&330) in search of a little more easy power. I played the TT95 about a year, and the DG97 about the same. The TT100P has that elusive free pop, but lacks the magic touch of the TT95, and has a much flatter trajectory, which is why I landed on the TT100T
Now if the new twaron TT95 adds a bit more pop to the prev version, it might replace the Vcore Pro 97s I'm planning to buy next
And then, I'll stick with either for at least a year or two.
ProRadTour
Semi-Pro
Yeah it's really a platform frame IMO and needs weight between 10 and 2 and weight in the butt cap. Once it's brought up to a players frame specs it shines.
I've played it stock and at various other weight configurations, I'd recommend a minimum of 320 grams unstrung as the base weight.
Yeah I'm just waiting for the leather grip and lead tape to arrive so I can get going with the customization. Played again today after restringing yesterday (Hyper-G 23/22kg) and it was a bit better with the new string. Of course that didn't fix the weight though.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Thanks I was wondering if there was any more definitive news - like still a TT95 but with Twaron, or a different tack, new variant etc.
I was wondering if there was any more definitive news - like still a TT95 but with Twaron, or a different tack, new variant etc.
