ohiostate124
Professional
Could he? Yes but he’d definitely need more than 5. Prime Fed winning 5 in a row is current the best imo.
Novak Djokovic and The USO - Can he end his career there as the USO Open Era's greatest champion?
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The logic behind your opinion was weak. Not all opinions are created equal. The bold logic is even weaker, by that logic Novak could win 10 us opens and that couldn't undo "choking" (Which where was the choking in 2010 and 2011 SF?)
This thread was fair and many gave fair answers. I said he isn't till 5 and not unequivocally till 6. I consider Federer the UO Goat now btw.
YOU are the one with the weird personal issue with Djokovic and or his fans (as evidenced by looking thru your posts and threads you have created).
We all have out favorites and those we don't like and that may include most of their fans. But in your case it is clouding your logic to the point of embarrassment.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Right now at this moment, Djokovic has a 3-5 record there in finals. I'm not rewarding him for losing over and over again. If you want to reward players for losing you go right ahead. You do that.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Btw I have no problem with the thread. I just disagree that 5 is enough. End of story.
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Deleted member 716271
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You just changed the argument. No one said he is the best with only 3 titles. The argument was extra finals helps if he ties the record.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
So anything other than 24/7 Federer hype on here is too much for you? Lol. You come off like a severe Djokovic detractor these days so it's hard to take any opinion from you seriously.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Like I said, if he makes the next three finals there and wins it twice with a 5-6 record, he can't be called the UO goat in my opinion because he is terrible in UO finals.
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Deleted member 716271
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A final loss is better than any other result though (besides win)
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
You guys take someone disagreeing with you as as someone being a detractor. Either he's being hyped to no end or leapfrogging past ATG like nothing. Slams are being thrown out the window like nothing. Nadal has lost all respect now. It's just bs. I have a right to an opinion like anyone else.
Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
Apparently extra finals are great, IF your winning percentage is above 50%. Otherwise, you are actually a failure.
According to some Djokovic fans he is the HC Goat right?So the supposed HC Goat have lost 5 Slam finals from 8 at US Open.I don't know for you but him losing 5 finals at HC Slam is not good outlook for a lot of people.HC is his best surface and he should have done better at US Open.He underachieved at this Slam.The fact that some people are trying to deny this is laughable.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I disagree when the losses are more than the wins.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
No you said the Djokovic hype is borderline sickening. My question to you is it a problem when it's not Federer hype non-stop? Basically Federer gets hyped on here more than anyone else especially since it's a pro Federer site. It's more than disagreeing and pretty obvious really. Who has he leap frogged and what Slams are being thrown out the window? You have a right to an opinion and anyone else has a right to say how that opinion is clouded in bias and doesn't make sense.
alexio
G.O.A.T.
wrong, reread this topic again
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
You are pretty reasonable most of the time, but you don't see that you also are guilty of bias at times. Then again I think you know this. I know for a fact that if the shoe was on the other foot and Federer was 3-5 in UO finals that you guys would make the same arguement. We would say more finals! You would say he can't even win when he makes the final!! lmao!! Lalalala. I already know.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
I am biased like anyone else but I can give credit where it's due and separate fact from fiction. No you tried to say Djokovic was a failure at the USO which is ridiculous and why so many in here disagree with you. How can you win a Slam 3 different times, make the SF or better for 11 years straight and be a failure? Not only that but you also said that he had "lucky wins over Federer" at the USO and a 5-5 record wouldn't be enough to place him over certain others at the USO. That is letting your bias cloud your judgment and makes you look like a Djokovic detractor, especially considering the other posts you have made recently.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
but he can expect some youngster to beat djokovic in flushing meadows.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
Nobody is more pissed by his underachieving at the US Open than his fans.
But the overall title count, it's pretty close now, and going far was always considered better than losing early. This should be no exception.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Most of it is me reacting to the extreme posters of your fanbase. Even some reasonable ones like yourself like to give him a little too much leeway at times. I do feel like he had a lot of luck in his wins over Federer at UO. A lot of Fed fans feel that way. That's not anything new or special. I said earlier that "failure" was a bit much. I addressed that already. I understand the enthusiasm you guys have, but it gets out of hand at times imo. It's not anything against Djokovic himself. I use to hate him, but I don't now and haven't for a while. I use to hate his attitude and his dominance at what I thought was an opportune time after 2012. So many of you on here have a chip on your shoulder it seems to me. The world is against Djokovic mentality. As a Fed fan, it's my place to stand up to nonsense when I see it. For example, putting Djokovic ahead of Nadal at the moment is ludicrous imo. It is what it is.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
at 38+ is not gonna happen.
The Fedfather
Legend
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I think he has used all his ''It's Federer'' chips.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Is it luck? Federer has lost 20 matches in his career from match point up. Not many others, if any, have lost that many from that position and like I said earlier, one time is lucky and 2 times is not. Besides the matches were 8 or 9 years ago and time to accept them for what they are. Every fanbase is going to have overzealous members but that still should not drive anyone to the point where they lose sense of all reason. You may see it as you standing up to nonsense but don't be surprised when people push back when they feel like Djokovic's accomplishments are being denigrated.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
put $100 if you think that will happen.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It is good some fans understand why Novak needs a 6th here. Media will always list achievements in chronological order by date.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
So you think I've lost all sense of reason because I don't think 5 is enough because of his record there? That's how this all started. I don't think that's being unreasonable. I think it's just something you don't want to hear. As far as luck goes with Djokovic, we will never agree on that. He went big in a moment that guys just don't do that. He was ready to walk up and shake hands with Fed before he made that shot back in 2011 and there ain't nothing anyone can say to change my mind.
The Fedfather
Legend
He still has "He's the GOAT" chips though.
The Fedfather
Legend
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Well yeah especially if you felt like Federer was the AO GOAT when he was tied with 6 and he had more finals. It is basically the same thing yet you are trying to hold Djokovic to a different standard. That is not being reasonable at the end of the day and is a double standard. As far as 2011 USO, Djokovic went big in a moment that guys just don't do that because he is not a run of the mill average player and is a champion. Regardless if you feel it was luck or not, Djokovic is the 2011 USO champion and that's been settled a long time ago.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Haha, so bitchy 125! You could give @NatF a run for his money at this rate.I am genuinely concerned for his well being. Forum dynamics aside, I don't wish ill on anyone's health in real life.
Sounds like he has become unglued totally due to the success of a certain wiry Serb, and may not be sleeping or eating in adequate amounts due to the omnipresent defensive and butt hurt replies to anything Djokovic.
I can see him on an old Nokia constantly refreshing TT using dodgy WiFi at some local Starbucks before being told it's 11 PM and to go back out on the street.
Wish there was a number of a social worker or caretaker that I could call
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
It's not a double standard because Fed doesn't have a losing record in AO finals. It's not the same. Two different arguements.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I prefer sassy or catty, but nvm. Guess I need to up my game
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
125 is a child.
Enceladus
Legend
One of No1e's problems at USO is that he has never defending his title. Defending titles is a very important factor for me. To make Ultron the GOAT of USO, he has to get 6 titles. 5 titles for GOAT USO can not be enough, due to Federer's series of 5 titles in row in a years 2004-08, which are four successful defences. To overcome Federer on USO, Djoker needs 3 titles.
At the moment, Djoker is not in the group 5 greaterst players at USO history. More titles than Ultron have Federer, Connors, Sampras, McEnroe. The last place in the Top 5 belongs to Lendl, who has three USO titles, as Djoker, but also two successful defences, even managed to complete the hat-trick, this record has already reached only Big Mac and Fed at USO. If Djoker gains the 4th USO title, will overcomes Lendl, but he will be behind Big Mac (because Big Mac also owns the hat-trick). If Ultron gains the 5th USO title, will overcomes Big Mac.
If Djoker had 5 USO titles and had two successful defenses on his account, he would have exceeded Connors and Sampras, who managed only once to defend the title.
In this thread, they are opinions, that Djoker's advantage is 8 participations in the finals, but 5 of them Djoker lost and the lost finals are double-sided weapon. They show the very good consistency of the tennis player, but also his weaker success in the finals.
At the moment, Djoker is not in the group 5 greaterst players at USO history. More titles than Ultron have Federer, Connors, Sampras, McEnroe. The last place in the Top 5 belongs to Lendl, who has three USO titles, as Djoker, but also two successful defences, even managed to complete the hat-trick, this record has already reached only Big Mac and Fed at USO. If Djoker gains the 4th USO title, will overcomes Lendl, but he will be behind Big Mac (because Big Mac also owns the hat-trick). If Ultron gains the 5th USO title, will overcomes Big Mac.
If Djoker had 5 USO titles and had two successful defenses on his account, he would have exceeded Connors and Sampras, who managed only once to defend the title.
In this thread, they are opinions, that Djoker's advantage is 8 participations in the finals, but 5 of them Djoker lost and the lost finals are double-sided weapon. They show the very good consistency of the tennis player, but also his weaker success in the finals.
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True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Sure5-5 is not a losing record either and you proved my point.
Enceladus
Legend
But USO in years 1975-77 was not played on classic red/orange clay, but for green clay. And as Madrid 2012 showed (Bull lost in 3R against Verdasco 3:6, 6:3, 5:7), Nadal doesn't like other clay than the classic red/orange clay.
Pheasant
Legend
That's a great point and nice catch.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
No, but I'm generally wrong in predicting. I think we're going to see him start to:
A: slow down over the next two years.
B: face more competition
What is going on now just can't continue forever. At his age he should not be doing what he is doing now. Someone should be stepping up. To be fair, I don't think Fed should have been able to win three slams starting in 2017. These players actually did worse result wise in years when they were playing even better, like Fed against Djoker in 2015.
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
You should come to Serbia. I know this real good psychologist.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Good for you. I hope seeing him has made a difference in your life.
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
I don't think he can but he probably still has 1 USO title in him.
alexio
G.O.A.T.
do you know that many words in serbian and russian languages sound identically? )) i found it when watching djoko speaking on serbian
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Enceladus
Legend
For Andre Agassi was better lost in the semifinal than in the final (according to his autobiography Open).
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Yes babuska
alexio
G.O.A.T.
I think if he reached 5 it would probably go to him due to all his extra finals and semis. I definitely wouldnt put Federer over him at that point, even with his 5 in a row, and definitely wouldnt put Sampras over him either at that point. Sampras actually would have nothing to put him over Djokovic at that point, Federer would always have the 5 in a row as an argument. Only maybe Connors due to his winning on all 3 surfaces.
Enceladus
Legend
A tennis player with a 5:5 balance has a success of 50 % in the finals.
A tennis player with a 5:2 balance has a success of 71,4 % in the finals.
For me in a time, when both players had 6 titles, Djoker was a greater AO player thanks to a higher number of successful defenses of titles - 2012, 2013, 2016; while Fed 2007 and 2018.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic had a much stronger argument with a tie at AO. I can agree with that and I see your point of view. He's been a one man wrecking crew there and now has the most titles anyway. He deserves to be called AO Goat. The UO on the other hand, is a different story. Losing a crapload of finals can't be ignored no matter how much some want it to be.
Fiero425
Legend
AO yes, USO no! This doesn't make any sense; USO ERA great! He owns 3 titles with several other players with almost twice as many! IDIOTIC!
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
True Fanerer's spirit has been completely crushed these past two weeks. So sad to see.
As will yours be when you realise that Novak Djokovic isn’t and will never be GOAT.
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