ron schaap
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Could you compare Cyber power and Cyber nano power to Concept which has good durability and pocketing too?
Pro's Pro Strings!?
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lucieisland
Semi-Pro
a stringer from a shop put me my usual firestorm signum, but playing, it sounded differently, less dynamic and more flexible .. did I get myself?
someone could have compared firestorm signum and pro's pro cyclone power?
in the same way, someone could have made a comparison between pro's pro concept and weisscannon scorpion? especially from the standpoint of comfort and tension stability?
someone could have compared firestorm signum and pro's pro cyclone power?
in the same way, someone could have made a comparison between pro's pro concept and weisscannon scorpion? especially from the standpoint of comfort and tension stability?
My previous go to setup was BO mains & RD crosses.
I have tried BO & BF before. I found the BF & RD quite similar (soft & stretchy) so I stuck with RD as I had a reel.
Problem with BO is it dies really quick so was looking to find a new setup.
I wanted an arm friendly setup with decent spin, power, good pocketing & forgiveness.
Forgiveness bears some explanation. I am not referring to arm-friendliness but a stringbed that tolerated my stroke deficiencies.
Some setups were good but required a lot of precision at ball impact. A tad too open & my ball sails wide, a tad too closed, the ball lands short.
A forgiving setup would let me swing whichever way & the ball would land in. Not sure this makes sense.
I used weighted & matched Blade 104s (2015) which by themselves were forgiving flexy frames.
I tried several PP sets during my trials but I always used Red Devil as my crosses.
Plus Power - Ok but nothing special. Died quite fast.
Hexapin Twist - Made stringbed too stiff for my liking. Lacked forgiveness. Good spin.
Strategem 8 - Really liked this. Good spin & forgiveness but murder on the arm even when used as a hybrid!
Cyber Power - Soft yet had decent power. Very nice feel & directional control when crossed with RD. No arm issues for me. Very forgiving. Less than stellar strokes still resulted in a nice ball.
I thought I found my new setup but decided to kick things up a notch.
Decided to try some highly reviewed strings in fullbed.
RPM Blast - Hated it. Had to use spin all the time. Anytime I flattened my strokes, the ball would sail.
Kirschbaum PL Evo - Underwhelmed. Soft & comfortable but too muted & under-powered.
Signum Pro Xperience - Was really hoping for something amazing from all the good reviews it was getting. Similar to the PL Evo but better overall but still not to my liking. Under-powered & too muted. I had good control but felt disconnected with the stringbed due to the feel.
None of the higher priced setups could beat the PPCP main & RD cross setup.
Not wanting to give up I started crossing the above with RD.
RPM Blast - Still sucked.
Kirschbaum PL Evo - Still sucked
Signum Pro Xperience - Was ok. To my surprise the stringbed stiffened up significantly with the RD cross.
So decided to switch it up.
PPCP mains & Kirschbaum PL Evo cross - Decent with very satisfying sound at impact.
PPCP mains & Signum Xperience cross - This was the wow! The stringbed was softer & more forgiving. Very nice feel & directional control. Was just a little bit better in every way to the PPCP main & RD cross setup. Decent longevity too. I can get a good 12-15 hours from this setup.
So my go to setups are now:
PP Cyber Power (1.20mm white) mains + Signum Xperience (1.18mm) cross.
PP Cyber Power (1.20mm white) mains + PP Red Devil (1.24mm) cross
Bear in mind the following:
I play flexy Blade 104s strung 53lbs mains & cross.
I'm located in South Asia which is hot & balmy all year round.
Signum Xperience 1.18mm is more like 1.23mm. Its shaped string so the thickness is measured at the thinnest point.
PP. Red Devil 1.24mm stretches & thins out when tensioned.
I prefer thin gauges whenever possible.
I played the white PPCP 1.25mm & 1.20mm. I preferred the 1.20mm as it played a tad softer.
Was wondering why there isn't much discussion about PPCP here. I shortlisted it from reviews on stringforum.
Its really an excellent string but I use it as a hybrid as mains. Really nice lively feel. Soft yet has decent power.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
interesting .
Maybe because its the most expensive Pros Pro poly? Why did nt you try Cyber power 1.25 fullbed and at a few kilos less tension, because 1.20 seems a bit thin for your big racquet? And did you try the newer Cyclone power?
So now that i have contributed to your discussion..
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lucieisland
Semi-Pro
you with tried this string? what can you say about cyclone power? gets closer to what other string of other brands? some say it's similar to firestorm signum, but with what less, or more?
Yes I have played with Concept 1.22mm and found it too low powered for my game. Prefer Cyber Power for the spin and power at the same 50lbs tension. Agree with you that Concept has good durability.
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When shortlisting strings, a minority view was Cyber Power was not arm friendly. So I used it as hybrid from the get go.
I'm not much of string breaker so I have always gravitated to thin strings due to the livelier feel.
Might try the PPCP in fullbed at some point but looking to just enjoy the game after a long test period.
I have not tried the Cyclone Power. Prefer to wait for more reviews to come in.
Actually PPCP is not the most expensive poly. Its the "Made in Japan" PP RX-500. Only sold on the PP website.
grhcan99
Semi-Pro
I've used a reel of this a while back (2017, 2018) and strung them using my Neos 1500 + Wise. Never had any stringing issues or premature breakage in play. But I strung low at avg 48 lbs.
Christian Andersson
New User
Did string up Eruption yesterday. Will do first play test tomorrow. Have previously played Hyper G and X-perience in the same frame, so I hope to be able to give some sort of comparison.
Stringing was easy.
topspinlob
Rookie
i have used both Cyclone Power 16 and Signum Pro Firestorm 16 ..here's my feedback..I posted earlier in this thread.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pros-pro-strings.331757/page-26#post-12883217
Christian Andersson
New User
First hour played with Eruption 1.24 in my modified Pure Strike Teams at 50lbs strung on a CP machine.
Same tension as I have had before with both Solinco Hyper G and Signum X-perience.
Remember that impressions are highly subjective, so don't be sure that my impressions will be like any one else experience in other frames.
But for me this string, to my surprise played very similar to Hyper G. A bit closer Hyper G than Signum X-perience, at least in this frame. I did not feel that I had to adjust anything really, which I usually experience when I switch strings.
Maybe it plays a tad softer and powerful than Hyper G at this same tension. It was comfortable and had great bite, spin, and felt quite forgiving.
I have played a lot of Pro's Pro strings (8-10 different), and this one is for sure the one I have liked the most at first hit. But the question is how well it would hold up within the next few hours in comparison.
So I will have to come back to that later.
Same tension as I have had before with both Solinco Hyper G and Signum X-perience.
Remember that impressions are highly subjective, so don't be sure that my impressions will be like any one else experience in other frames.
But for me this string, to my surprise played very similar to Hyper G. A bit closer Hyper G than Signum X-perience, at least in this frame. I did not feel that I had to adjust anything really, which I usually experience when I switch strings.
Maybe it plays a tad softer and powerful than Hyper G at this same tension. It was comfortable and had great bite, spin, and felt quite forgiving.
I have played a lot of Pro's Pro strings (8-10 different), and this one is for sure the one I have liked the most at first hit. But the question is how well it would hold up within the next few hours in comparison.
So I will have to come back to that later.
Planar
Rookie
How is the string hold up for you?
liftordie
Hall of Fame
That's always the problem with Pro's Pro strings.....
Let us know.
Christian Andersson
New User
Partly, but I think some options holds as well as much more expensive ones.
Cyclone Power I think started to play very different after 1-2 hours for me.
But some other options like Cyber Power and Concept I think keeps playability pretty good.
But at the price point I don't have exactly the same requirements, and I can restring more often.
Sorry that I cannot give a proper update, since I struggle with bad back problems at the moment making me not able to play as much as usual. Have been limited to 1 hour a week, and even that seems too much, back is really bad today. :/
I played the second hour yesterday and the strings felt as good as the first time. But now I have to rest for a longer while before playing again.
So I will not be able to update you in a while.
At this point though, even If they hold up a bit less than Hyper G and X-perience I would still consider switching to it, since I have played well, and not needed any adjustments really. Hyper G and X-perience gave me around 10 hours before they started to loose playability for me. But I am not much of a string breaker, so I restring before that point mostly.
lucieisland
Semi-Pro
I think pro's pro solution can not be considered without knowing if we have a stringing machine or not. I see for example the case of my brother, he plays 6.0, and a luxilon alu power that breaks in 4 hours for about $ 20, passing to concept, or cyberpower, ($ 25 the reel or $ 40 the reel, it happens to play at least 1 h 30 with the concept or 2h with the cyberpower, as he breaks very often the gain is not useless, as he plays about 15 hours a week it comes to him at $ 20 a week playing with cyberpower instead of spend over $ 50 playing luxilon, and playing with cyberpower gets almost the same game.
Christian Andersson
New User
Agree to that. Of course it matters, since stringing services also costs when you are not doing it yourself.
A lot of factors do matter also like the level of player, type of player, type of string pattern in the racquet etc. so it is highly subjective when it comes to string experience and durability.
So I don't expect everyones experience of Eruption above to be the same as mine when more have tried them. And everyone will report different as usual.
letplaytennis
Semi-Pro
I've played with Cyclone Power now for about 8 hrs., split between 2 Angell TC97's @ 54lbs. I really like the string and so far have no complaints. It is easy to string too.
Also, I strung and played with Lethal 5 for about 4 hours. Only gripe with this string, as with all shaped strings, is they require a little bit more time to string. This one is good as it accentuates topspin and is good for heavy balls. Of the 2 Pro's Pro strings I've tried, I'll continue to buy them as they're a great deal. Comes out to under $3.00 for a full bed.
Looking to try some of their other offerings in the future.
Also, I strung and played with Lethal 5 for about 4 hours. Only gripe with this string, as with all shaped strings, is they require a little bit more time to string. This one is good as it accentuates topspin and is good for heavy balls. Of the 2 Pro's Pro strings I've tried, I'll continue to buy them as they're a great deal. Comes out to under $3.00 for a full bed.
Looking to try some of their other offerings in the future.
liftordie
Hall of Fame
Wish you a good and hopefully quick recovery. Back problems have to be take seriously...
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The.Bloke
New User
Hi
I have plenty of Pro's Pro Concept 1.22mm left which I use as main @53 and some Pro's Pro Red Devil 1.24mm, but about to run out of it. [1-2 racquet]
I tried @55 x @53, but did not like it. So stuck with @53 for both.
I would like to add some power to the hybrid with Concept 1.22mm as main.
Concept 1.22mm and Red Devil 1.24mm gave me plenty of play without any pain over the last 2 years.
I never brake PP strings like i used to with much more expensive ones
[Luxilun and Signum -better. They used to hurt my arm badly]
I generate plenty of top spin naturally, therefore a tad of power would be welcome.
I am using a 100in and 16x19 racquet.
Any ideas of what I could try?
Thanks
I have plenty of Pro's Pro Concept 1.22mm left which I use as main @53 and some Pro's Pro Red Devil 1.24mm, but about to run out of it. [1-2 racquet]
I tried @55 x @53, but did not like it. So stuck with @53 for both.
I would like to add some power to the hybrid with Concept 1.22mm as main.
Concept 1.22mm and Red Devil 1.24mm gave me plenty of play without any pain over the last 2 years.
I never brake PP strings like i used to with much more expensive ones
[Luxilun and Signum -better. They used to hurt my arm badly]
I generate plenty of top spin naturally, therefore a tad of power would be welcome.
I am using a 100in and 16x19 racquet.
Any ideas of what I could try?
Thanks
what_army
Semi-Pro
I have tried it too and whilst I wouldn't go as far as saying it's world's apart from firestorm it does seems a bit stiffer/less flexible. Overall I found it more or less comparable but I used it as a cross only
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
Sure try Stringing at 45lbs
The.Bloke
New User
And stick with Concept and Red Devil?
Dont you think it could be too low for a 16x19?
I remember trying @51 full bed of Concept and did not like it.
Any others strings I could try?
Thanks
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
Well if you tried going lower and didn’t like it, maybe put syn gut or a multi in the crosses.
The.Bloke
New User
Would stringing @50 instead of @53 make a difference?
And which PP string multi would recommend with the Concept?
Thanks
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
I would say 50lbs would make a difference. I don’t have any experience with pros pro multis but I have used the sun gut quite a bit and it’s good but may be too firm for what you’re looking for.
1HBHfanatic
Legend
@The.Bloke @JOSHL
i reviewed all the pros pro multis i could get in similar gauges, i forget what page its on, on this thread
its a lengthy writeup of my plasying with them, i would check them out if your interested
youll also find several ppl commenting on some of the other polys pp has to offer,,
i have no love for pp.concept
pp has soo many other livelier polys
pp.plus.power
pp.nano.vendetta
etc etc
i reviewed all the pros pro multis i could get in similar gauges, i forget what page its on, on this thread
its a lengthy writeup of my plasying with them, i would check them out if your interested
youll also find several ppl commenting on some of the other polys pp has to offer,,
i have no love for pp.concept
pp has soo many other livelier polys
pp.plus.power
pp.nano.vendetta
etc etc
letplaytennis
Semi-Pro
How does the Plus Power play in comparison to the Cyclone Power, if you've tried Cyclone?
1HBHfanatic
Legend
havent tried cyclone power yet..
Muppet
Legend
Plus Power is an excellent string in some racquets. I tried a full bed in my Aerogel 200, MuscleWeave 200G, and Biomimetic 200 racquets. In the MW and the Bio it felt very muted and dead, even a little dirty. But in the AG the M-fil elements on the sides of the hoop filtered out the dirty feel and even most of the muted and dead feels. It felt very, very good in the AG200. @51 I had the feeling that I was clobbering the ball, especially on serves. But it is an orange, plasticy feeling string. Cyclone Power is more of a silver color and will probably feel more like Big Hitter Silver or Cyber Flash.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
I've finally strung up my racquet (Yonex Duel G330) with Gutex Ultra 1.30 mains/Polystar Classics 1.25 cross at 48/46 lbs and can't wait to play with/test it.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
What are the other differences between cyber power and concept except durability? I myself find the 1.28 gauge concept very durable, more so than most other more expensive brands. At what tension does your brother use them?
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
Reverse. Put red devil in mains?
The.Bloke
New User
At what tension?
Keep @53 or lower @50?
I think I have enough for two racquets of Red Devil, before buying some more or changing for something else.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
Sorry you must try yourself. Concept is stiffer so strung little bit lower and no more then 23kg i think for 1.28. Maybe 1.22 is bit softer. I only know red devil is supposed to be softer so maybe string 1 to 2 kg tighter.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
What the ... killed it within 5 minutes after a mishit. Will restring amd test it again.
letplaytennis
Semi-Pro
I cut out PP Cyclone Power after about 12 hours to get fresh strings in my rackets. I noticed that the strings, once cut, barely moved away from each other. Is this due to the string now being dead and needing replacement?
I'm really looking forward to trying Eruption, as its characteristics are great compared to some other name brands, such as low tension loss, high ball to string friction and low string to string friction. Thoughts on Eruption?
I'm really looking forward to trying Eruption, as its characteristics are great compared to some other name brands, such as low tension loss, high ball to string friction and low string to string friction. Thoughts on Eruption?
The.Bloke
New User
What are you thoughts regarding PP Cyclone Power?
I was thinking using it as cross instead of Red Devil with Concept.
Thanks
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Lukhas
Legend
I tried Hex Power in that gauge. It's actually nothing special.
By that, I mean it didn't do anything particularly bad or well for me at least. It felt rather average: not very stiff or soft, not very muted or crisp, adequate spin and control without feeling dead. I was surprised at how average it is. I think it's a fine string.Depends on what u hybrid the Red Devil with. My own experience, Red Devil is too soft and stretchy as cross when I hybrid with black out main. My racket became deformed. Cross is 2 lbs lower than main.
I have no racket deformation when I use cyberpower as cross.
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A string red devil at 30lbs cross
Muppet
Legend
Are you located in the US? The US distributor offers single sets for $7.70. Search on Google.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Interesting thread on PPs strings!
Christian Andersson
New User
7 hours now in my Pure Strikes with Pro's Pro Eruption. It is still holding up and still plays well for me. Snapback is better than with Hyper G at this point. Maybe it does not have as sharp edges as Hyper G.
So for me it does seem to do as well as Hyper G in durability. And I am very happy with how it plays. So in my opinion I highly recommend to try it!
So for me it does seem to do as well as Hyper G in durability. And I am very happy with how it plays. So in my opinion I highly recommend to try it!
albertobra
Hall of Fame
I bought several reels of Pro's pro strings for my recently installed stringing shop. This is to have a cheaper option for clients.
This thread is great to talk about Pro's Pro strings!
For now, all I can say that clients are pretty satisfied with Red Devil 1.24 (17). I have tested as well on my Wilson PS and found them very good in terms of control. They even deliver the ball with good power and quite confortable for a poly string.
Also easy to string, The string stretches quite a bit. It would be nice to understand which could be an ideal lbs range for this string. But then I have a client that used 42 lbs, and anothe at 50lbs, and both quite satisfied.
I also used Red Devil as mains (verticals) on a multifilament bed (horizontal) with very satisfying results.
This thread is great to talk about Pro's Pro strings!
For now, all I can say that clients are pretty satisfied with Red Devil 1.24 (17). I have tested as well on my Wilson PS and found them very good in terms of control. They even deliver the ball with good power and quite confortable for a poly string.
Also easy to string, The string stretches quite a bit. It would be nice to understand which could be an ideal lbs range for this string. But then I have a client that used 42 lbs, and anothe at 50lbs, and both quite satisfied.
I also used Red Devil as mains (verticals) on a multifilament bed (horizontal) with very satisfying results.
1HBHfanatic
Legend
@albertobra
my experience, kinda obvious I guess?!?, 16g pp.red devil does not stretch as much as the 17g or thinner offerings, and still feels good,,
the pp.polys are feel good polys, they do stretch, but most are very good for the $5 price tag
the pp.synthetics are pretty good, no bad surprices imo/ime
the pp.multis are a let down,, especially since now we have other cheaper "slightly better", alternatives out there, bear the $5-$8 price range
my advise, when buying cheaper stuff,, always test yourself with a single pack, before you comit to a reel
good luck with your future testing
include some of your own feedback here on the pros pro strings..
my experience, kinda obvious I guess?!?, 16g pp.red devil does not stretch as much as the 17g or thinner offerings, and still feels good,,
the pp.polys are feel good polys, they do stretch, but most are very good for the $5 price tag
the pp.synthetics are pretty good, no bad surprices imo/ime
the pp.multis are a let down,, especially since now we have other cheaper "slightly better", alternatives out there, bear the $5-$8 price range
my advise, when buying cheaper stuff,, always test yourself with a single pack, before you comit to a reel
good luck with your future testing
include some of your own feedback here on the pros pro strings..
