Djokodal Hamburg 2008 highlights
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Anybody else notice the Blues Brothers music at 15:16? I can’t remember the artists name because I played the song in my middle school jazz band but it’s in blues brothers.
It's quite astonishing to see how much potential djoko's game had to hurt nadal. That cc backhand would take even 2008 claydal out of position. It was only a matter of time djoko started hurting nadal with that pattern of play. But to be able to pull of that pattern against nadal you must have a GOAT level backhand and a superhuman level consistency both of which djoko possesses and no doubt he has hurt rafa the most
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
That match was one of the most intense of 2008. #2 ranking was on the line!
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Prime RAFOLE's 2nd BO3 clay match 
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Amazing retrieval and lob in the rally at the 18 min :40 sec mark.
Tennis is evolving
Banned
It's like they are playing in slow motion compared to today.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Blame the camera technology of that time and high tech screens of today's time
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Great match. Nadal was at his peak here. Djokovic in 2008-2009 was also playing at his prime level on clay. This Djokovic definitely wins RG if you give him his 2016 draw.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Yes, but most importantly you must have stamina/endurance to pull it off over 3+ hours, that Djokovic didn't have before 2011.
What's the use of playing him neck and neck for half a set, if you fall apart after a couple of long exhausting games and lose 6-2? It happened quite a few times.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Prime Kohlschreiber makes all the difference.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal lost to Soderling in the fourth round of RG 2009. Does it mean he wasn't in his prime as well? Nadal and Djokovic played 3 very close physical matches during the clay season in 2009 and were probably done after that. Yes, Djokovic was close to his prime level on clay in 2008-2009, he was playing well and pushing peak Nadal to the limit.
HetTheGreaterer
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ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
And that's why kids one should not drink and drive and drink and post.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
No. Not being able to sustain high level even throughout the best of 3 match for whatever reason (fatigue, old age etc.) is the very definition of post/pre prime tennis ability of an ATG, which is very obvious if you compare that to post 2011 Djokovic. I don't recall him falling off the cliff in a single post 2011 match after a couple of gruelling games. It was a certainty back in 2008-2009.
Your claim that 2008 Hamburg Djokovic wins 2016 RG holds no weight, as it is similar to someone else saying 2011 Indian Wells Nadal wins 2009 AO... But worse.
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RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Djokovic was more impressive on clay in 08-09 than he has been the past few years for sure IMO. I guess 2011 was his clay peak, the way he was smoking Nadal.
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
2011-2016 Djokovic is his prime. Before that he was merely very good.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Nadal usually had another gear back then if his opponents were playing great, like we seen in the 3rd set.
But, as said above, I agree that Djokovic was a big challenge, even then for Nadal. The signs were there that he was going to be a big problem in years to come if he got himself together.
Uncle Toni always says they realized this too early in Novaks career.
But, as said above, I agree that Djokovic was a big challenge, even then for Nadal. The signs were there that he was going to be a big problem in years to come if he got himself together.
Uncle Toni always says they realized this too early in Novaks career.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic was physically fine in this match. Just because the third set was 6-2 doesn't mean it wasn't close. The second set was also 6-2, just in the other direction. In Madrid 2009 they played for 4 hours and the score was 3-6 7-6 7-6, was Djokovic tired after a few games as well? For comparison, he won only 1 set in 3 matches against Nadal in 2012. So he wasn't in his prime in 2012 as well? And in RG 2014 final Djokovic looked tired after 2 sets and lost to a very bad Nadal. Not in his prime too? I wonder when was his prime then.
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StrongRule
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No, not on clay. He was close to his prime level on clay in 2008-2009. Djokovic in 2008 pushed Nadal harder than he did in 2012 which you call a prime year.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Didn't quite turn out that way at RG.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Well according to Djokovic fans, Nadal got away with a few because of the wind, injury, or getting lucky not having to face him in 2011...
mike danny
Bionic Poster
2011 was the only question mark.
Other than that, their other matches were routine wins for Nadal except 2013.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Who would you have favoured in 2011 had he gone past Fed ?
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
2013 also should have been a routine 4 set win but Nadal choked.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Really tough to say. It's still Nadal at RG, but he was mentally beaten by Djokovic at that point similar to Fed at Wimb 2008, but Fed had to play him right away unfortunately, while Nadal didn't with Djokovic.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Just like AO 2012 for Djokovic. Mirrored matches.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
I would prefer Nadal to win in 4 sets. Because now Djokovic fans are using this match as a "proof" that he is Nadal's equal in RG. Let's not forget it wasn't peak Nadal in 2013. If that was 2008 Nadal he would have won in straight sets, maybe in 4 at worst case. In 2013 he was prime, but not peak.
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
He may have! That chair ump is Gerry Armstrong, whom Lendl detested and called, "the worst, most incompetent umpire I ever played in front of."
DjokoGOAT
Semi-Pro
Djokovic beat Nadal in 2015.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
A great match and a great win by Nadal over a very good Djokovic. Yes, Djokovic wasn't in his absolute peak form, but he was certainly in his prime at this time. Djokovic had a lot of momentum heading into this match, he had won AO, and dethroned Nadal at IW, then also went onto win Rome masters...he was knocking on the door of becoming the world number two. Nadal was playing this match on cay court conditions that didn't suit his game as much, Hamburg clay has a much lower bounce, more suited to Djokovic.
An underrated classic that often gets overlooked because of the way Djokovic stood up to Nadal the following year on clay, following him around like a killer shadow.
An underrated classic that often gets overlooked because of the way Djokovic stood up to Nadal the following year on clay, following him around like a killer shadow.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Nadal doesn't even fear god at RG
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's level in 2015 was very poor.
It was a shame the Spaniard could not face Djokovic more often in 2017 and the first half of 2018.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
And somehow Djokovic ended that year as no.3 only 10 points behind Federer.
That Wimb early upset screwed him completely.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
How many times have any member of 'the big 4' beaten the other 3 in a tournament?
Even when one or more weren't at peak?
RS
Bionic Poster
RG and Rome were pretty close in 2012 though. Only MC was easy. 2008-09 was a prime Djokovic on clay pretty much all the matches were hard fought.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Federer WTF 2010
RaulRamirez
Legend
It looked like it was up. Man, could he motor around the court...both of them for that matter.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Such great hitting and movement in this match. Every square inch of the court was hit to, and covered - and we saw it all - great angles, put-away and drop volleys, lobs and topspin lobs, overheads (no negative Djokosmashes here, I don't think). Just great tennis.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Not true. He fears his round 1 opponent as much. "If I don't play my best, I won't have my chance to win, no? He (Millman) plays very aggressive. Very dangerous, no?".
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic lost all of them
The Queens match was a tough 2 setter though, not a 3 setter.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Replace milman with bernard tomic, and your statement still stands correct
HetTheGreaterer
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Btw, @mike danny @Backspin1183 why don't you guys join the ttw watch party, it's a great fun..
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Mr Backhand
Rookie
so true
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