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That sucks!No. Pro stocks are glossy.
Guessing that’s the VDM talking. Ezone 2020 was noticeably more muted than anything I have hit with before.Feel is more muted/dull than my VC98+.
Whats so bad about PTP130?Just hit with 98 for 10 mins. It was strung with PTP1.30, so I put it down until I get it restrung later today. Will have to be a quick test as I have to return these restrung with PTP1.30.
Initial impressions, the thicker beam is noticeably beefier. I can feel the mass more in the lower half of the hoop, so it's stable and it feels like it has a higher than 14 twist weight. Will hit on Playsight court, so can probably do a dirty test of power and spin vs my old data on the VC98. Feel is more muted/dull than my VC98+.
The ‘16 aka navy, to me was slightly more crisp. The ‘19 aka green, was more muted. I would choose the ‘19 just for the HD version, and VDM of course.Talking about yonex... how do the VCORE pro 2016 racquets compare to the their 2019 counterparts ?
Guessing that’s the VDM talking. Ezone 2020 was noticeably more muted than anything I have hit with before.
Whats so bad about PTP130?
Just hit with 98 for 10 mins. It was strung with PTP1.30, so I put it down until I get it restrung later today. Will have to be a quick test as I have to return these restrung with PTP1.30.
Initial impressions, the thicker beam is noticeably beefier. I can feel the mass more in the lower half of the hoop, so it's stable and it feels like it has a higher than 14 twist weight. Will hit on Playsight court, so can probably do a dirty test of power and spin vs my old data on the VC98. Feel is more muted/dull than my VC98+.
Where? Seems I can't find it.
TWE just updated their site, I checked earlier and there was no new VCore
With the SV95 being 65RA and the ‘18 VC95 being at 62RA, I think the ‘20 VC95 would feel like maybe between 58-60RA with the VDM? 64RA isn’t as bad, but with the VDM, it would make it feel softer, imo.64RA on the VCORE 95. Maybe it will play in between the SV and the current version. What would you guys think of that?
64RA on the VCORE 95. Maybe it will play in between the SV and the current version. What would you guys think of that?
There is no way in hell I'm paying $305 for a racket. Period
Its 240€ or 200€ if you buy 2.There is no way in hell I'm paying $305 for a racket. Period
Do you think they will actually switch? I know yonex has tried hard to have the pros switch but not all of them preferred it over their current painted older frames.
With the SV95 being 65RA and the ‘18 VC95 being at 62RA, I think the ‘20 VC95 would feel like maybe between 58-60RA with the VDM? 64RA isn’t as bad, but with the VDM, it would make it feel softer, imo.
I love SV98, for me it's 10x better then Vcore 98. Sure, it lacks a bit of feel but makes up for it with raw power and spin. Vcore 98 felt a little bit muted, more like Ezone line. I guess i prefer 16x20 racquets because i loved Vcore Tour 97 which was also 16x20.The SV98 was extremely stiff. And this is coming from someone who has used stiff frames in the past (Pure Control Swirly, Hyper ProStaff 6.1, etc). And I am also a fan of 16x20.
But the SV98 was unusable IMO. Some do like it, but it’s a small group.
I highly doubt Shapo will switch. He still uses the SV95, I think Forbes has no idea what endorsed means.
TWE pulled out the pre order from their site.
why?
Pity you can't customise the paint job. It's as ugly as the north end of a horse headed south.You can buy the weight you want, at $300+. The Japan only Yonex custom fit service has can build you one that's 310g +/- 2g at 310mm, which is a perfect basic frame to customize. It's like Angell lite, but with the Yonex QC! I will be hitting with the VC98/100 2021 this week. Will see how much it has changed from the previous 2 versions.
Can we please call this version the Ziggy or the Stardust or Ziggy Stardust? It's not like Yonex hasn't been playing with outerspace names. Galaxy Black.This must be where they got the idea for the new color scheme
Maybe they did not expect so many orders?
I placed mine. I got a confirmation that they will ship it on 15.1.
Thanks for the awesome review!Sigh, turns out the Playsight was out on the court we had. So no verifiable comparison data and I couldn't do swing weight etc measurements at the shop cos well there's a pandemic going on. I can only compare the feel and string bed response to a VC98+, since I only played with the VC98 a couple of times when it first came out.
Racquets: 2021 Vcore 98.21.
Strings: Volkl Cyclone 18L mains and Pro Red Code Wax cross 18g, 50/45.
Measurements: 323g/331mm strung, G/L3
Added mods: Switched out butt cap with 10g of putty to get more h/l balance. Wilson Pro overgrip. Extra silicone rubber ring Final weight 342g, 323mm
Feel: Most notable is the muted feel. With the 2018 VC98.18, I distinctly remember if contact was in the center of the sweetspot, I could just feel the pocketing, even though the string bed was quick and bouncy. The SV98 had a lot less feel, cos of the stiffness and quick response of the string bed. VC98.21 isn't a hybrid of the 2, the dwell time was definitely bouncy like the VC98.18, but muffled.
It also felt beefier, esp in the throat. Response is stiffer than the VC98.18, and the flex is different. The VC98.21 flexes more in the top hoop. It does play a little stiffer, but the feedback is muted so I can't say it was significant, and barely noticeable.
Swing and contact feels a bit bulkier in the center of the racquet (this was before I found out it was 1 mm thicker around the throat) and the sweet spot is still the same. In a way, it responds like a thinner Ezone. Plays quite stable, especially overheads and volleys. I'd say it's around 14.3+ twist weight range.
Powerwise, I'd say there is a tad more due to the added bulk and stiffness. I'd existing VC98.18 users won't have too much of an adjustment phase to the VC98.21. Plays nothing like the SV series and more like the Ezone.
I'll be getting the 95 and 100 later, and will report on those.
I think if they let people pre-order before xmas, there'll be enough sales lost for stock clearance that it's not a good idea. You're not going to impulse buy now because you're locked in for a new racquet in a month. They want to squeeze out every possible sale to move stock. Looking at the sale prices, I'd say the group is doing well since prices have maintained, probably due to reduced supply due to corona restrictions from Jan-Apr.
Not too bad. Although the blue is growing on me little by little. Wish they would sell the gloss ones as the pro stocks are so damn nice. I just hope they will play the same.
The PJ we should have gotten.
-questionI love SV98, for me it's 10x better then Vcore 98. Sure, it lacks a bit of feel but makes up for it with raw power and spin. Vcore 98 felt a little bit muted, more like Ezone line. I guess i prefer 16x20 racquets because i loved Vcore Tour 97 which was also 16x20.
-i am trying to get an approximated answer to this from @Niko63...... Wonder what it will play like with Poly Tour Rev.
That's sick!! Black and white works tooNot too bad. Although the blue is growing on me little by little. Wish they would sell the gloss ones as the pro stocks are so damn nice. I just hope they will play the same.
I know the question wasn’t for me, but I use the SV98 as well. I’m still experimenting with string set ups, but right now I’m using Gamma AMP Jet 16L at 23.5kg/52lbs. I’m thinking of trying out the Isospeed Cream 16L, Head Lynx Tour Champagne 16, Yonex Poly Tour Drive 16L, Gosen G Tour 3 16L, Babolat RPM Power Bronze 16, Volkl Cyclone 16L, and Tecnifibre Black Code 16. Depends on the string, I’m going to string between 22.6-25kg/50-55lbs next.-question
-on the sv98, what strings do you normally use? also tension
-from brief hitting and reading, the sv is a bit harsh (stiffer layup), so im thinking softer string and lowish tension would make sense, 2me!?!
Thanks for the awesome review!
P.S.: I did buy mine on an impulse haha, I was ready to wait until January.
I love SV98, for me it's 10x better then Vcore 98. Sure, it lacks a bit of feel but makes up for it with raw power and spin. Vcore 98 felt a little bit muted, more like Ezone line. I guess i prefer 16x20 racquets because i loved Vcore Tour 97 which was also 16x20.
-question
-on the sv98, what strings do you normally use? also tension
-from brief hitting and reading, the sv is a bit harsh (stiffer layup), so im thinking softer string and lowish tension would make sense, 2me!?!
I might just put white strings like Isospeed Cream in it then I get a Red White and Blue partriotic USA racquet
-i think the racquet is screaming for blue strings !!??!! and white over-gripI might just put white strings like Isospeed Cream in it then I get a Red White and Blue partriotic USA racquet
maybe that as well. I don't knoow what color stencil to put on blue strings. White stencil or Black stencil. I feel like more often I see black stencil on black or blue strings. Or is a red stencil easily visible on like Blue YPTP...-i think the racquet is screaming for blue strings !!??!! and white over-grip
-in any even, just hitting with it will be fine for the moment
The warehouse group is very happy to oblige! haha I resisted and hopefully will continue to resist racquet purchases for now. I have to work on my game for now. I test cos I like to try. But always look for the worst part of the frame first as a defense! Haha
I like my SV98+ quite a bit, but not 10x as much. The Vcore has just as much, if not more power, than the SV98. The difference is how it responds to the swing, I think. The SV98+, currently my racquet, is like a predictable bat, hit it and it goes in the direction in a predictable manner, with good power and spin. I don't hit as many dipping cross court top spin, or wrist flick top spin shots, because the dwell time is short and there is little feel/feedback, so it doesn't work as well. In fact, my regular hitting partners have noticed I hit out more with the SV98+, than even when I was in D1!
That said, when I played with the VC98+ during a stretch of competition, I liked the feel, especially on slower clay courts, because I could use drop shots and volleys with ease. Comparing the 2 on Playsight and personal observation, the VC98+ had the fastest groundstroke by 3 mph and 30rpm, but I hit faster and heavier on average with the SV98+, because of the predictability. No competition with the serve, I served slower and less accurate with the VC98+, I think because it wasn't as stiff and the string bed launch angle is higher and slightly less predictable.
I agree that the VC98.21 is more in line with the EZONE line now, especially with the shared technologies of linertech and VDM.
That depends. A stiffer string bed makes the SV series a power but accurate stick. Like most stiffer sticks, even with gut/poly hybrid, the SV98+ still instills confidence to hit out against heavy balls for me. I use Cyclone 18L or VS17g/Luxilon17g gut with Pro Red Code Wax 18g as a cross. The polys I stick to 47-51 mains, -4lbs crosses. Gut I hover around 58-60, -3-5lbs crosses.
Totally agree
The PJ we should have gotten.
Do you notice any differences in string spacing with the new Vcore? I've been rediscovering my love for the SV98 and I'm noticing that the stringbed feels relatively dense for a 16 main pattern. So I put the SV98 over a Tecifibre Tfight 300 (a current-gen 98 sq inch 16x19 frame) and holy cow, the 16 mains on the SV98 almost fits entirely inside the inner 14 mains of the Tfight, but at the same time the TFight is REALLY wide with their string spacing. I also put the SV98 over an 18x20 Ultra Tour and the middle mains actually looks pretty close in spacing to each other before the SV98 pulls away towards the sides of the frame. All that to say, a part of me thinks the SV98 string spacing may be more close to an 18x20 and maybe that's why the control is so good for a powerful 16 main pattern and not as loopy/launchy. And I'm also wondering if each update to this line has widened the string spacing to be more in line with the other racquet brands.