String weavers

Shroud said:

Nobody cares about my extreme methods

Anyhow i found your post confusing. Fanning implies just threading the crosses. I am talking about the friction while pulling tension. Normal methods means friction is high while pulling. With the tool the friction WHILE PULLING TENSION is way less. I see that as a big benefit.

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You could break down the crosses into three movements:

1. Weaving
2. Pulling the string through (by hand, whilst fanning the crosses)
3. Applying tension

By the time we reach step 3, the string is in place, and so movement is pretty much only the elongation of the string that occurs under tension. I’ve never observed any damage to the string whilst pulling tension.

What’s the large benefit that you’re seeing there? With your specific desires, I could see how this resulting in a tighter string bed would be considered one (though that would be add odds with the inventor’s claims). Let’s assume you were happy with the tension results you obtain without the tool, and are simply trying to replicate it.

Dags said:

You could break down the crosses into three movements:

1. Weaving
2. Pulling the string through (by hand, whilst fanning the crosses)
3. Applying tension

By the time we reach step 3, the string is in place, and so movement is pretty much only the elongation of the string that occurs under tension. I’ve never observed any damage to the string whilst pulling tension.

What’s the large benefit that you’re seeing there? With your specific desires, I could see how this resulting in a tighter string bed would be considered one (though that would be add odds with the inventor’s claims). Let’s assume you were happy with the tension results you obtain without the tool, and are simply trying to replicate it.

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If the mains are further apart and you pull tension there is less friction while the crosses are pulled. Its like a thing that the crosses never get the tension the mains do. I can see where the tool helps.

If there is more tension on the crosses due to less friction that would be a good thing for me.

The Mistringer W did not help me and I already returned it.
It's actually time consuming to set it up. You have these little heads that you have to match to your sttingbed. It will only work for your particular model of racket. If you string another racket, you have to go match them again. Could take a few min maybe less if you're used to it. But the most annoying thing is to tighten up everything once you set the tool on your main. Although you're supposed to do it only once if you keep stringing the same racket, it's very difficult to allign them perfectly so the string can pass the holes from one side and also from the other side. It seems that everytime I would adjust, it'll go one side fine but will get stuck when I come back the other side. Also, it says that we can't do the last 4 crosses because we risk to damage the tool. It's more like the last 5 or 6 crosses as everything gets really tight and you can barely move the tool to either move the lever or even take it out. My 3rd time using it, I actually ended up weaving in front of it like you would do with the stringweavers. But still, you can't do the the last 5 or 6 crossed so it seems to me that the stringweavers would be more useful, quicker to set up and cheaper.
The good thing is there's muchbless friction when pulling so I was actually pretty quick when pulling the string and applying tensions. The crosses are also straighter so you don't have to constantly fix them. I'm still debating if I should give a try with the stringweavers. I've been doing synthetic gut on the crosses mostly lately so I'm actually not too slow at loop weaving.

Shroud said:

If the mains are further apart and you pull tension there is less friction while the crosses are pulled. Its like a thing that the crosses never get the tension the mains do. I can see where the tool helps.

If there is more tension on the crosses due to less friction that would be a good thing for me.

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Even if so, that is changing a dynamic that has been somewhat constant for.....well, "forever".

So, not sure of the gain in that respect.

struggle said:

Even if so, that is changing a dynamic that has been somewhat constant for.....well, "forever".

So, not sure of the gain in that respect.

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Maybe we should just go back to wood racquets and conti grips. Wouldnt want to change a dynamic that had been constant forever…

Shroud said:

Maybe we should just go back to wood racquets and conti grips. Wouldnt want to change a dynamic that had been constant forever…

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Good point. I'm going to quit weaving 1 ahead because that makes weaving easier so it's not a legitimate practice. All the string weaver does is make weaving even easier than weaving 1 ahead, which in turn is easier than 'hard' weaving. I'm sure all you guys with your fancy electric stringers will toss them in favor of old fashioned machines since the new ones make stringing easier; god knows we wouldn't want to make stringing easier, especially for a newb - they must pay their dues! lol

Question: who cares if someone new to stringing uses a string weaver (or similar) and never learns to string 'the hard way'? Does it 'cheapen' the art of stringing? Does learning to drive on a automatic transmission mean the youngsters of today don't appreciate real 'driving'?
No, it's just another progression to make things easier.

norcal said:

Good point. I'm going to quit weaving 1 ahead because that makes weaving easier so it's not a legitimate practice. All the string weaver does is make weaving even easier than weaving 1 ahead, which in turn is easier than 'hard' weaving. I'm sure all you guys with your fancy electric stringers will toss them in favor of old fashioned machines since the new ones make stringing easier; god knows we wouldn't want to make stringing easier, especially for a newb - they must pay their dues! lol

Question: who cares if someone new to stringing uses a string weaver (or similar) and never learns to string 'the hard way'? Does it 'cheapen' the art of stringing? Does learning to drive on a automatic transmission mean the youngsters of today don't appreciate real 'driving'?
No, it's just another progression to make things easier.

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Yeah i dont get the naysayers. Fwiw i also think this can lead to a tighter stringbed

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Mmh no, I'm not trying to be an atp stringer. I just want to make it easier on myself and make it more enjoyable. I also like gadgets so any new thing that can maybe help with things, I'm interested.
Anyways, I welcome everyone's opinions and I'm myself getting better at it. For example, I kinda dodged doing Parnell knots cuz I kept messing up. So for awhile, I was just doing the double knots. But I went back to try it and I mastered it pretty quickly this time around. So maybe I'll be able to weave fast one day but for the time being, it's not happening. I think I'm gonna give a shot with the stringweavers. It looks to be quick to set up. I dunno if anyone else has used it?

Someone please show me that these produce a tighter stringbed on a "modern" machine.

Irvin, will you please post a video?

Edit: Just saw a video of the RG 2021 stringing room and they were ALL using them. I stand corrected....

Irvin, NVM!!

So I bought the string weaving device the OP posted about. Its a cool device but to be honest after the first few times I haven't used it. It has been basically just sitting on my tool tray unused for the last year. I really only string for myself and a couple buddies and a racket typically takes me 25-30 minutes to do (just for reference). I found while this helped with some things and it slowed me down in other areas.

Shroud said:

Yeah i dont get the naysayers. Fwiw i also think this can lead to a tighter stringbed

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Some people think the world is flat.

I'm not gonna say it DOESN'T produce a tighter stringbed, but i've not seen any evidence that it does.
A stringing machine can easily pull tension through the crosses at reference tension and the cross is not
bound on both sides, only one. I'm skeptical of any gain there, but i've been wrong once before. Just ask
my GF.

And weaving is not difficult (sure, it varies depending on the string chosen), so......just seems like a cumbersome
device to me and the perceived gain can easily be done by upping the tension. So, figure out the gain you are
getting with the string weaver and up the tension by that amount = faster, less fiddling etc. Then return the silly
thing and get your money back.

Cheers

struggle said:

Some people think the world is flat.

I'm not gonna say it DOESN'T produce a tighter stringbed, but i've not seen any evidence that it does.
A stringing machine can easily pull tension through the crosses at reference tension and the cross is not
bound on both sides, only one. I'm skeptical of any gain there, but i've been wrong once before. Just ask
my GF.

And weaving is not difficult (sure, it varies depending on the string chosen), so......just seems like a cumbersome
device to me and the perceived gain can easily be done by upping the tension. So, figure out the gain you are
getting with the string weaver and up the tension by that amount = faster, less fiddling etc. Then return the silly
thing and get your money back.

Cheers

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I am at max tension of 86 lbs. So no can do. And weaving is difficult at max tension…

Shroud said:

I am at max tension of 86 lbs. So no can do. And weaving is difficult at max tension…

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You're like 12 inches of rain. Too damn much.

But do enjoy your weaving thingie, you might be the target market for such.

Get yourself a dropweight and I'm sure you can achieve higher tensions. Positive you can.

struggle said:

You're like 12 inches of rain. Too damn much.

But do enjoy your weaving thingie, you might be the target market for such.

Get yourself a dropweight and I'm sure you can achieve higher tensions. Positive you can.

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Dropweights blow compared to ecp

Shroud said:

Dropweights blow compared to ecp

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Not if you want insanely, ridiculously, silly high tensions, they certainly do not. On that occasion ecp BLOWS
as it will not achieve such, ever. Additionally, no tension mechanism can be more accurate than a DW.
Just ask Neil deGrasse Tyson.

You indicated that you string at 86, but seemingly only because that is the limit on your rig (whatever it is). Otherwise, you'd
likely go higher, no?

brady1212 said:

So I bought the string weaving device the OP posted about. Its a cool device but to be honest after the first few times I haven't used it. It has been basically just sitting on my tool tray unused for the last year. I really only string for myself and a couple buddies and a racket typically takes me 25-30 minutes to do (just for reference). I found while this helped with some things and it slowed me down in other areas.

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Thanks for your input. Can you explain more what are things that helped you and what made you slow down? I take about 45 min so I got many ways to improve lol.

struggle said:

Not if you want insanely, ridiculously, silly high tensions, they certainly do not. On that occasion ecp BLOWS
as it will not achieve such, ever. Additionally, no tension mechanism can be more accurate than a DW.
Just ask Neil deGrasse Tyson.

You indicated that you string at 86, but seemingly only because that is the limit on your rig (whatever it is). Otherwise, you'd
likely go higher, no?

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You have the exact rig I do. 6004/ Wise.

Its true that in the past I was looking for higher tension than 86lbs. However its not a big deal these days since I am using 4g as a cross and the swing weight is less so I dont need to dampen the power as much.

I dread stringing now and no way I would ever string if I had a drop weight.

fritzhimself said:

Really now - but that seems to be more wishful thinking than real.
I don't know any professional stringer who uses something like this.
This is also a question of honor - in my opinion, it is a tool for beginners, or for those people who rarely string and are not really skilled in the craft.
With such "findings" of yours, myths are born and do not correspond to reality.

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I'm a professional stringer...20+ yrs. I use my String Weavers frequently...not on all racquets but approx 50%. They are useful and definitely not just for beginners. Really good for natural gut, sticky multis, stiff strings andvtextured polys.

fritzhimself said:

Oh - I forgot that you are the inventor of this tool - sorry for that. Therefore this reply - mea culpa.
Even if John Gugel uses such a cross stringing tool - a professional stringer does not use such a gimmick.
I have made some myself a good 14 years ago and now collect these devices, which also all work.
I've been stringing for decades and I know what I'm talking about.
Your invention is, as you said yourself, for beginners - but never for professionals.
I have also done many stringing jobs, measurements and tests with the things - but see no added value for such a tool.
It's no faster and you don't learn how to string properly either.

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Virtually everything said in this comment related to the performance of string weaver tools is inaccurate. I'm a professional stringer...I use them. They are helpful and useful, though many posting here apparently aren't bright enough to know how to use them properly and are not open to the idea of using tools to make the job easier with better outcomes.

Anyone that has ever sold a string job could be considered a "professional". I don't know a single person that even owns one of these.

Now, I'm sure they are fine for some, but ask the "big boys" and they'll tell you "no".

Every tool has its' place, but the best option is to learn to weave by hand.

If anything, they'd be best reserved for stiff poly strings for a newer stringer. Just my 2 cents.

I'd suggest learning to weave, THEN try one and see what you think.

Anyone who considers themselves a professional would already have the next cross weaved by the time
these tools could be installed, implemented etc. No logical way it is quicker, or better given the proper
skill set/practice. Now, if speed is no issue and you just don't care to weave by hand. Sure, go for it. It's
not gonna harm anything but your skill set.

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I'm curious if the those in this thread who are critical of the product have ever used it? If not, then respectfully they are simply incapable of understanding how it works or the advantages it provides. IMO it would be wiser for them to avoid making patently false claims about a product of which they possess no direct experience or knowledge as it destroys credibility in areas where they might actually know something.