AnOctorokForDinner
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2007 USOerer vs 2011 USOvic vs 2015 USOvic: popular vote
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
2007 Ol’ Rog >= 2011 Joker. Both are clearly above 2015 Joker who outside of the SF vs Chilly was pretty meh that tournament.
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
2011 USO Djokovic vs. 2007 USO Federer is a pretty tough call. I think I might lean Djokovic here but 2007 Fed beats him if he plays like he did in the QF against Roddick. If you ask me again in about a week, I might go the other way. Or we could just set them equal.
Both are pretty clearly ahead of 2015 USO Djokovic, though, and I don't really see how one could argue otherwise.
Both are pretty clearly ahead of 2015 USO Djokovic, though, and I don't really see how one could argue otherwise.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Federer's shot tolerance was higher in the 2011 match than the 2007 one. In 2007, he was shanking all over the place. In 2011, he went toe to toe with peak groundstroke Djokovic. That shows you how well he played. I don't think 2007 Federer would beat 2011 Djokovic because of that, and he barely held off a Djokovic who was not as potent as the one in 2011. Now I give the edge to 2007 Federer over 2015 Djokovic because he played well, but wasn't at his best.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
*looks up the point distribution in extended rallies*
something doesn't compoot, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Pretty obvious it’s @The Blond Blur ’s answer. But 2011 Djoko and 2007 Fed are basically equal to me.
although if we wanna go by peakiest peak level displayed I think ‘15 Djokovic has an argument. ‘15 USO SF Djokovic was scary af, I think he delivered bakery products to defending champion Cilic in all 3 sets (but he wasn’t 100% to be fair to Chilly)
‘15 USO F Djokovic was affected by a) Fed’s hyper aggressive tactics which didn’t really allow him a foothold in half the rallies, either an error or a winner b) probably the worst crowd in tennis history and c) just not as dominant or aggressive overall as ‘11
although if we wanna go by peakiest peak level displayed I think ‘15 Djokovic has an argument. ‘15 USO SF Djokovic was scary af, I think he delivered bakery products to defending champion Cilic in all 3 sets (but he wasn’t 100% to be fair to Chilly)
‘15 USO F Djokovic was affected by a) Fed’s hyper aggressive tactics which didn’t really allow him a foothold in half the rallies, either an error or a winner b) probably the worst crowd in tennis history and c) just not as dominant or aggressive overall as ‘11
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The Fedfather
Legend
Federer hit a lot of UEs in the 2011 match. I don't think the 2007 edition in this comparison should be marked by Federer's shanking.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Federer got beaten by Djokovic in points over 7 shots in 2007, 21 to 19. Now if you are only looking at 10+ maybe you feel you're making a good point since that stat is 10 to 6 but he lost the 7-9 range 9 points to 15. So it kind of shows his shot tolerance wasn't all that great if he lost the battle overall to that Djokovic.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Federer was going for his shots in 2011 and didn't hold back so yes he did make some errors but his level off the ground was great. Also, this Djokovic was at his best and is a player who is known for getting the ball in difficult positions for his opponents and causing them to either miss or give up a loose shot.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah Fed was pretty sloppy in the 2007 match (though tbf he was even worse in sets 3 and 4 of the 2011 SF). He raised his level later on in the match starting from when he clutched through the end of the second set, but he had a very shaky start.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
This is true. I thought he took his foot off the gas in 2011 and allowed Djokovic to get into it, who then started redlining and went on a tear.
NatF
Bionic Poster
It was a bit windy in 2007 and he had more pressure in 2007. No doubt he was the better player in 2007 compared to 2011 but he struggled to bring his A game.
Tennis Analyst
Rookie
Another case of a couple of matches that Federer wins with ease, hypothetically of course.
In reality, 2007 Federer has no chance against either of Djokovic's versions. He could have lost to baby Djokovic in the final of 2007 if not for the lack of experience. Does anybody really believe that Djokovic would have lost the final if he had the experience and the mental fortitude of 2015 Djokovic? Right.
In reality, 2007 Federer has no chance against either of Djokovic's versions. He could have lost to baby Djokovic in the final of 2007 if not for the lack of experience. Does anybody really believe that Djokovic would have lost the final if he had the experience and the mental fortitude of 2015 Djokovic? Right.
The Fedfather
Legend
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The Fedfather
Legend
But it's not some errors. How is Federer 2007 'shanking all over the place', but in 2011 is just going for his shots? Even with Djokovic's level being higher, unforced errors are called that for a reason.
Nadal_Django
Legend
Let me guess, somewhere on this forum some poor soul have said that 2011 or 2015 version of Djokovic can beat 2007 Federer in a hypothetical match. The insecure OP decided to make a thread about it and to call his many Fed friends in help, because god forbid 2004-07 Fed losing a hypothetical match on this forum. Am I right, or am I right?Wonder where this thread came from?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Because 2011 Djokovic would have destroyed his 2007 version. If he played like he did in sets 3 and 4 against the 2007 version, he wouldn't know what hit him. Don't get me wrong, the 2007 version was good but he was green and playing off instinct rather than a well thought out strategy. Federer shouldn't have had as much trouble with him at his peak. 2011 Djokovic is the highest level off the ground of his career and by far the best returner.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
I liked threads like these initially, but now they bore me to death.
Why are we discussing 2007,2011 in 2021?
Why are we discussing 2007,2011 in 2021?
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
But by the same token, 2007 20 year old Djokovic had SPs including 40-0 on his own serve in both the first and second set vs. 2007 Federer. 2007 Djokovic was clearly the worst of the 4 versions (2007/2011 Djokovic and 2007/2011 Federer).
And 2011 Djokovic who was clearly superior to 2007 Djokovic isn't going to convert those opportunities?
Thus in both hypothetical comparisons you have points on both sides. The truth is it would be a toss up decided by a couple break points here and there, just like pretty much every hypothetical peak Fed vs. peak Djokovic match, but then we would have very little to debate.
At least in my eyes, I'm sure a more biased fan might argue Fed would routine Djoko or the other way around. But those arguments always reek of bias to me.
WildRevolver
Hall of Fame
A-Games come out when an all-time great is threatened. Fed didn't feel threatened going into that match, nor during it. His B-game was still a straight set GS final win.
ForehandRF
Legend
Federer from the 2007 USO Final won't beat the Djokovic from the 2011 USO SF, he wasn't as good as he was before the final.2011 Fed played a better match vs Djokovic than in 2007(minus the mp lol), both played better in their 2011 match in fact.
On the other hand, on the tournament as a whole, I would give the edge to 2007 Darth Fed, but I have no problem with those who think otherwise because they are close in this comparison after all
On the other hand, on the tournament as a whole, I would give the edge to 2007 Darth Fed, but I have no problem with those who think otherwise because they are close in this comparison after all
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Saying 2007 Federer in that final was shanking all over the place is quite a bit harsh.
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Maybe a bit of hyperbole but he did hit some shanks in the first 2 sets.
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Deleted member 779124
Guest
Still a good played overall but probably not as good as some of what Federer has shown in other USO matches.
InsideOut900
Legend
2007 Fed for the whole 2 weeks, but not sure about the final though.
Madinolf
Rookie
In the mins of these guys Federer played 20 years and peaked only 4 years LOL
ForehandRF
Legend
Misleading stat and you know it because Fed was mostly number one when he won the majority of his hc slams in 2004-2010.Nadal had a lower ranking at the 2017 AO, which does no justice in this context
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
One thing you can't take away from Federer is that he never stopped being the king of hypotheticals.
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