Indian Wells - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties

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Indian Wells - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of tennis officials after Alexander Zverev outburstRafael Nadal is concerned penalties for threatening behaviour towards tennis officials are too lenient after Alexander Zverev repeatedly smashed his racquet against umpire Alessandro Germani’s chair and verbally abused the official at the Mexican Open last month. "We need to be a positive example, especially for the kids watching us," said the Spaniard ahead of his involvement at Indian Wells.
By
Paul Hassall
Updated 11/03/2022 at 08:37 GMT

Rafael Nadal has called for tougher penalties to be imposed upon tennis stars who abuse officials after Alexander Zverev was handed a controversial suspended sentence for his actions in Acapulco.

The German Olympic gold medallist was kicked out of the singles draw at the ATP 500 tournament last month when he smashed his racquet on an umpire’s chair following a doubles defeat.
Zverev has since been given a one-year probation with no immediate punishment and Nadal feels it’s time to clamp down on what he believes to be a growing trend of dissent.

"I have a good relationship with Sascha, I like him, I practise with him very often, so I wish him all the very best. And he knows that he was wrong and he recognised that very early and that's a positive thing," Nadal said.
"On the other hand, if we are not able to control this type of attitude on court, not just this one instance in particular, there has been other stuff going on in the last couple of months.

If we are not able to penalise these types of attitudes in a little stronger way, then we as players will feel stronger and stronger all the time. In this sport, we have to be a positive example, especially for the kids."
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Nadal was speaking to the media ahead of his involvement at the Indian Wells Masters 1000 tournament with his first match scheduled for Saturday.

The Spaniard is a three-time champion in the desert and arrives on the back of a stunning 15-match winning streak that has seen him kick off 2022 with three titles, including a record 21st Grand Slam triumph at the Australian Open.

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Terenigma

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He's right but it's not always about the willingness to punish the players, it's the loss of revenue and publicity for the events that ultimately decides how harsh the punishment is. Do you really think if Zverev made no money for anyone but his own team that they would hesitate to ban him for 8 weeks? Would he get a slap on the wrist and a warning then?

There needs to be a strict system in place and it shouldn't go to some panel of judges to decide how much a player should be punished. It should be a strictly outlined thing such as if you do something like what Zverev did, it is an automatic 5 week ban. Also it should apply to all players, popular/unpopular, famous/not famous, male/female should have no baring on the decision.
 
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Alongside his fantastic tennis talent and tennis skills, Rafa's become a good politician. He really knows what to say and when to say it. A truly great guy. One thing, though, that I have with those finest people is that they aren't as honest as they appear to be. This is why I prefer Novak's character that, to me, is plenty more honest. But I guess the Internet's full of all kinda Djoker BS now; not in my books :)
 
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clayqueen said:
Indian Wells - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of tennis officials after Alexander Zverev outburstRafael Nadal is concerned penalties for threatening behaviour towards tennis officials are too lenient after Alexander Zverev repeatedly smashed his racquet against umpire Alessandro Germani’s chair and verbally abused the official at the Mexican Open last month. "We need to be a positive example, especially for the kids watching us," said the Spaniard ahead of his involvement at Indian Wells.
By
Paul Hassall
Updated 11/03/2022 at 08:37 GMT

Rafael Nadal has called for tougher penalties to be imposed upon tennis stars who abuse officials after Alexander Zverev was handed a controversial suspended sentence for his actions in Acapulco.

The German Olympic gold medallist was kicked out of the singles draw at the ATP 500 tournament last month when he smashed his racquet on an umpire’s chair following a doubles defeat.
Zverev has since been given a one-year probation with no immediate punishment and Nadal feels it’s time to clamp down on what he believes to be a growing trend of dissent.

"I have a good relationship with Sascha, I like him, I practise with him very often, so I wish him all the very best. And he knows that he was wrong and he recognised that very early and that's a positive thing," Nadal said.
"On the other hand, if we are not able to control this type of attitude on court, not just this one instance in particular, there has been other stuff going on in the last couple of months.


Nadal was speaking to the media ahead of his involvement at the Indian Wells Masters 1000 tournament with his first match scheduled for Saturday.

The Spaniard is a three-time champion in the desert and arrives on the back of a stunning 15-match winning streak that has seen him kick off 2022 with three titles, including a record 21st Grand Slam triumph at the Australian Open.

www.eurosport.co.uk

Indian Wells - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of tennis officials after Alexander Zverev outburst - Eurosport

Indian Wells 2022 - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of officials after Alexander Zverev's Acapulco outburst resulted in a suspended sentence
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Video of the relevant part here
Ben Rothenberg posing the ?
 
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nadalvamos said:
I agree with Nadal. Toucher penalty for tennis players that want to bring harm to tennis officials. Let go after this tennis player for his violent behavior too!
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This is exactly the BS I am talking about. Shameful! Yeah, Novak intended to kill her. But he failed :(
 
Biotic

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Next: Nadal urges ATP to ban the Russians

He just wants everyone out of the way so he can peacefully enjoy what is already a decomposed carcass.

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Jokervich

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Of course Nadal wants tougher penalties on the likes of Zverev and Djokovic. These are guys who can beat him on hard court and even on clay court. Zverev is arguably the only guy in the Indian Wells draw who can beat Nadal, so of course he'd love to see him banned.
 
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Rattie said:
I really hope you don’t actually believe some of the things you write.
Such a silly comment.
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This is a common tactic people use in life. You see it in politics especially all the time. Someone hates someone else, but because they can't just come out and say "I hate them", they have to find something they did "wrong" in order to get them banned/punished etc.

Sorry maybe I haven't explained myself so well, hope the point is clear though.
 
Rattie

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Jokervich said:
This is a common tactic people use in life. You see it in politics especially all the time. Someone hates someone else, but because they can't just come out and say "I hate them", they have to find something they did "wrong" in order to ban them/punish them etc.

Sorry maybe I haven't explained myself so well, hope the point is clear though.
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Perhaps but as you don’t know that his relationship with Zverev isn’t as he says it is, you’re just making an assumption which suits your bias towards Nadal. The point is very clear.
 
AgassiSuperSlam11

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Zverev is one of the few if playing at his best that can give Nadal trouble in a bo3 match. However, I don't think his comments have anything to do about getting an easier draw. Nadal has never broken a racquet in nearly 20 years in the ATP tour. Sure, he has had a few outbursts with umpires but nothing that compares with what Sasha did. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this.
 
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MadariKatu

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Some people say Nadal wants his competition banned... yet he said he thought Novak should play in Australia.
And he isn't saying Zverev shouldn't play. He says tougher penalties. You can understand what you want, but he isn't saying Zverev shouldn't play.
Also, there wouldn't be anything to comment, had Zverev not lost it. Zverev is at fault here, not Nadal.

And I actually agree. If that had been Kyrgios, the meassures taken would probably be different. I think this should be penalized in a way that no other player would even think of doing that again.
Djokovic with the line judge was different, since it was non intentional. B
 
octobrina10

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Visionary said:
Alongside his fantastic tennis talent and tennis skills, Rafa's become a good politician. He really knows what to say and when to say it. A truly great guy. One thing, though, that I have with those finest people is that they aren't as honest as they appear to be. This is why I prefer Novak's character that, to me, is plenty more honest. But I guess the Internet's full of all kinda Djoker BS now; not in my books :)
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Has Djoko honestly explained why his earlier PCR test (on 16 Dec.) had a higher confirmation code than the later one (on 22 Dec.) ?
 
octobrina10

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MadariKatu said:
Some people say Nadal wants his competition banned... yet he said he thought Novak should play in Australia.
And he isn't saying Zverev shouldn't play. He says tougher penalties. You can understand what you want, but he isn't saying Zverev shouldn't play.
Also, there wouldn't be anything to comment, had Zverev not lost it. Zverev is at fault here, not Nadal.

And I actually agree. If that had been Kyrgios, the meassures taken would probably be different. I think this should be penalized in a way that no other player would even think of doing that again.
Djokovic with the line judge was different, since it was non intentional. B
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Kyrgios was also handed a probation period (six month) in Sept. 2019.
 
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clayqueen said:
Indian Wells - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of tennis officials after Alexander Zverev outburstRafael Nadal is concerned penalties for threatening behaviour towards tennis officials are too lenient after Alexander Zverev repeatedly smashed his racquet against umpire Alessandro Germani’s chair and verbally abused the official at the Mexican Open last month. "We need to be a positive example, especially for the kids watching us," said the Spaniard ahead of his involvement at Indian Wells.
By
Paul Hassall
Updated 11/03/2022 at 08:37 GMT

Rafael Nadal has called for tougher penalties to be imposed upon tennis stars who abuse officials after Alexander Zverev was handed a controversial suspended sentence for his actions in Acapulco.

The German Olympic gold medallist was kicked out of the singles draw at the ATP 500 tournament last month when he smashed his racquet on an umpire’s chair following a doubles defeat.
Zverev has since been given a one-year probation with no immediate punishment and Nadal feels it’s time to clamp down on what he believes to be a growing trend of dissent.

"I have a good relationship with Sascha, I like him, I practise with him very often, so I wish him all the very best. And he knows that he was wrong and he recognised that very early and that's a positive thing," Nadal said.
"On the other hand, if we are not able to control this type of attitude on court, not just this one instance in particular, there has been other stuff going on in the last couple of months.


Nadal was speaking to the media ahead of his involvement at the Indian Wells Masters 1000 tournament with his first match scheduled for Saturday.

The Spaniard is a three-time champion in the desert and arrives on the back of a stunning 15-match winning streak that has seen him kick off 2022 with three titles, including a record 21st Grand Slam triumph at the Australian Open.

www.eurosport.co.uk

Indian Wells - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of tennis officials after Alexander Zverev outburst - Eurosport

Indian Wells 2022 - Rafael Nadal urges tougher penalties for abuse of officials after Alexander Zverev's Acapulco outburst resulted in a suspended sentence
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Sascha should have lost his endorsement
 
The Blond Blur

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Lol this sums up the events on this saga real nicely.

Zedrot: *Has violent tantrum on the court that could have hurt an umpire*

Sane people on TTW: He should be banned for that.

ATP: *Basically does nothing about it with a weak sauce probation period*

RAFA: There should be tougher penalties for that kind of behavior.

*********: He JuSt WaNtS pLaYeRs BaNnEd So ThErE wIlL bE lEsS cOmPeTiTiOn So He CaN wIn ToUrNaMeNtS.
 
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Tennis Aloha

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Alongside his fantastic tennis talent and tennis skills, Rafa's become a good politician. He really knows what to say and when to say it.

It's funny you say that because the way Nadal speaks nowadays has me thinking he'll go into politics affer tennis. He's got all the characteristics of a politician IMO
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MichaelNadal

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The Blond Blur said:
Lol this sums up the events on this saga real nicely.

Zedrot: *Has violent tantrum on the court that could have hurt an umpire*

Sane people on TTW: He should be banned for that.

ATP: *Basically does nothing about it with a weak sauce probation period*

RAFA: There should be tougher penalties for that kind of behavior.

*********: He JuSt WaNtS lEsS cOmPeTiTiOn So He CaN wIn ToUrNaMeNtS.
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It's been a rough year for Ultronians ;)
 
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Visionary said:
Alongside his fantastic tennis talent and tennis skills, Rafa's become a good politician. He really knows what to say and when to say it. A truly great guy. One thing, though, that I have with those finest people is that they aren't as honest as they appear to be. This is why I prefer Novak's character that, to me, is plenty more honest. But I guess the Internet's full of all kinda Djoker BS now; not in my books :)
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I agree that Nadal’s statements tend to be very artificial, he’s the least genuine member of the Big 3 imo. His usual refrain about being a good example for kids is especially tiresome, it feels way too forced. But I do think he’s right about Zverev’s sanction.
 
clayqueen

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Terenigma said:
He's right but it's not always about the willingness to punish the players, it's the loss of revenue and publicity for the events that ultimately decides how harsh the punishment is. Do you really think if Zverev made no money for anyone but his own team that they would hesitate to ban him for 8 weeks? Would he get a slap on the wrist and a warning then?

There needs to be a strict system in place and it shouldn't go to some panel of judges to decide how much a player should be punished. It should be a strictly outlined thing such as if you do something like what Zverev did, it is an automatic 5 week ban. Also it should apply to all players, popular/unpopular, famous/not famous, male/female should have no baring on the decision.
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I doubt it's anything to do with revenue. I think players are always put on probation for the 1st offence at least.
 
MichaelNadal

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Imperator said:
I agree that Nadal’s statements tend to be very artificial, he’s least genuine member of the Big 3 imo. His usual refrain about being a good example for kids is especially tiresome, it feels way too forced. But I do think he’s right about Zverev’s sanction.
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He's serious about it though.

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MadariKatu

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octobrina10 said:
Kyrgios threw a water bottle at the umpire's chair, but the bottle hit the chair too low to hit the umpire:

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I know. But that's like other players smashing the racquet against the umpire's chair. Still wrong, but in my opinion Zverev's outburst is way worse because he hit very close to the umpire on purpose and with the clear intention of intimidating him.
 
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Imperator said:
I agree that Nadal’s statements tend to be very artificial, he’s the least genuine member of the Big 3 imo. His usual refrain about being a good example for kids is especially tiresome, it feels way too forced. But I do think he’s right about Zverev’s sanction.
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Yes, tiresome to hear much of the same phrases all the time. It must be difficult for these top level pros who have microphones and cameras pushed in their faces many times a day to come up with something new to say.
 
Kralingen

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Cupcake said:
Yes, tiresome to hear much of the same phrases all the time. It must be difficult for these top level pros who have microphones and cameras pushed in their faces many times a day to come up with something new to say.
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Especially in your 3rd best language, drenched in sweat, exhausted, and basically wanting to be anywhere in the world except for at the press conference.

I do have sympathy for them, don't think people should read into interview answers too much either way. Of course it is part of the job, but press answers are not usually reflective of how a person acts in day to day life. Especially for the uber famous players they probably have answered these questions 500 times.
 
Rattie

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Imperator said:
I agree that Nadal’s statements tend to be very artificial, he’s the least genuine member of the Big 3 imo. His usual refrain about being a good example for kids is especially tiresome, it feels way too forced. But I do think he’s right about Zverev’s sanction.
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After 17 years on the tour if he was artificial and fake, he would have been outed by now. But no, he’s a nice guy and the people around him on the tour including his opponents, commentators, journalists etc who have actually met and mixed with him say so….often.
I’ve met enough fake/artificial people myself who are pretty easy to see through, especially over a long period of time. Rafa isn’t one of them, no one manages to pull that off for decades.
 
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clayqueen said:
That's so untrue. Rafa speaks his mind he doesn't have to pretend like Fakeovic.
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Yeah, we know. "My fav is perfect and blameless but yours sucks", it’s your constant and only stance so you don’t need to tell us what you think.
 
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Rattie said:
After 17 years on the tour if he was artificial and fake, he would have been outed by now. But no, he’s a nice guy and the people around him on the tour including his opponents, commentators, journalists etc who have actually met and mixed with him say so….often.
I’ve met enough fake/artificial people myself who are pretty easy to see through, especially over a long period of time. Rafa isn’t one of them, no one manages to pull that off for decades.
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Pull off what for decades ? Nobody said he’s an evil being that’s been keeping a terrible and shocking secret for years, we’re talking about classic PR stuff.
 
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Yeah, we know. "My fav is perfect and blameless but yours sucks", it’s your constant and only stance so you don’t need to tell us what you think.
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Why do you suppose Djokovic doesn't even get nominated for the sportsmanship award year after year much less win it? The players are the ones voting on that, right?

Wouldn't you presume they have a bit more insight into these things behind the scenes, day to day?
 
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intrepidish said:
Why do you suppose Djokovic doesn't even get nominated for the sportsmanship award year after year much less win it? The players are the ones voting on that, right?
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Completely irrelevant to this discussion. What does that have to do with genuineness in interviews ?
 
Rattie

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Imperator said:
Pull off what for decades ? Nobody said he’s an evil being that’s been keeping a terrible and shocking secret for years, we’re talking about classic PR stuff.
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Pull off being fake and artificial as I clearly said. The perception of others who unlike you and I know him, and interact with him in daily life is also pretty constant in that regard.
 
intrepidish

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Imperator said:
Completely irrelevant to this discussion. What does that have to do with genuineness in interviews ?
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It has everything to do with the general topic as I imagine you know. We are talking about how the players perceive Djokovic and Nadal, including how genuine they are, and the players are around them far more than you or I are.

Why do you suppose Djokovic doesn't even get nominated for the sportsmanship award year after year much less win it? The players are the ones voting on that, right?
 
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Rattie said:
Pull off being fake and artificial as I clearly said. The perception of others who unlike you and I know him, and interact with him in daily life is also pretty constant in that regard.
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All players are "fake" to some degree and say artificial stuff. It doesn’t mean they’re liars but they tend to say things that help their public image and portrays them in a good way. Djokovic does it, Federer does it, almost everyone does it. Nadal tends to overdo it by repeatedly saying things that help him look good and sometimes it gets to the point where he sounds like a robot, which doesn’t mean he’s an a**hole or dishonest in day to day life. Him being being a nice and honest guy or not is beside the point.

Thank you for making the effort to stay polite and respectful, that way we can have a debate healthier than the stupid one we had about color complementarity. Edit : wait, that wasn’t with you. Just similar usernames, my mistake.
 
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