So what does Nadal have over Djokovic

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UnforcedTerror said:
What failure?
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"Ultimatetennisstas has for example in their Bo5 stats they often leave out Bo5 matches OUTSIDE of Slams and Davis Cup. For example, they have Borg as the highest Bo5 match winning percentage at 89%. Borg has the highest GS winning pct Open era but not the overall highest winning BO5 percentage. In fact, both Nadal and Djokovic have higher Bo5 match percentages. The real numbers are:

Nadal 345-44 88.7% (highest open era)
Djokovic 364-54 87.0%
Borg 205-33 85.2% (non-ATP not included as Invitational and small draw tournaments even with those he goes to about 86.4% still lower than bull and joker)"

*Edit: Site algorithm might be different due to technical glitches in fairness to the site.
 
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dr325i

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The_Order said:
A couple days ago I was challenged by a poster on this forum to name 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic.

After taking about 5 minutes out of my day for the past 3 days, I found 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic. They are listed below.

  1. Total Majors won (22 - Record) -- no equivalent
  2. Roland Garros titles (Record) -- AO titles
  3. US Open titles -- W titles
  4. Olympic Singles Gold - WTF
  5. Career Golden Slam - NCYS+WTF / all Slams + WTF +all M1000....twice...
  6. Most match wins at a major (112 - Record) -- SF/F at Majors
  7. 10 slam title defences (Joint-record w/Federer) -- how many of those are non-RG??
  8. Consecutive weeks in top 10 (900 and counting - Record) - weeks @ #1
  9. Leads Slam H2H - overall H2H or non clay slam H2H
  10. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ major (Record) - seasons with 3 slam wins
  11. 15 seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  12. 3 majors in 3 separate decades (Record)
  13. Most combined HC and Clay slams (20 - Record)
  14. Most combined Grass and Clay slams (16 - Record)
  15. Won 4 majors without losing a set (Djok has zero - Record)
  16. Won 8 majors losing no more than 1 set (Record)
  17. Defeated 4 top 10 players en route to a slam title (Joint-record w/Wilander & Federer)
  18. Clay Slam (MC + Madrid + Rome + RG) in a single season (Record)
  19. Summer Slam (Canada + Cinci + US Open) in a single season (Joint-record w/Rafter & Roddick)
  20. Highest outdoor match win % (Record)
  21. Davis Cups
  22. Outdoor titles (Record)
  23. 10+ titles at four events (Barca + MC + Rome + RG - Record)
  24. Most combined HC + Clay titles (88 - Record)
  25. Most match wins vs #1 ranked player (23 - Record)
  26. 13 YE top 2 finishes (Record)
  27. 592+ weeks in top 2 (Record)
  28. 16 consecutive years qualified for YEC (Record)
  29. 46 consecutive match wins at single tournament (46 @ MC - Record)
  30. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  31. 15 seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  32. 20+ finals reached on two different surfaces at M1000 level (Record)
  33. Oldest RG Champion (Record)
  34. 8 slam finals reached without losing a set (Record)
  35. 4 consecutive M1000 in a season (Record)
  36. 8 M1000 won without losing a set (Record)
  37. 76 M1000 sf reached (Record)
  38. 99 M1000 qf reached (Record)
  39. Held #1 ranking in three separate decades (Record)
  40. 470+ match wins on both hc and clay (Record)
  41. Most consecutive match wins on single surface (81 on clay - Record)
  42. Most Rome titles (Record)
  43. Most MC titles (Record)
  44. Unimaginable 137-3 w/l record in bo5 on clay (Record)
  45. 35+ wins on hc and clay in same season (Record)
  46. 32 consecutive matches won across 3 different surfaces (Record)
  47. 5 consecutive big titles in a single season (Record)
  48. Most consecutive years winning an ATP title (19 - Record)
  49. Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award
  50. Double channel slam (Joint-record w/Laver & Borg)

    As you can tell, Nadal fans, most of these things are records. Id say around 40/50 are the most important sporting metrics in tennis history. Don’t mess with the king.
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You do realize that most/all of those have equivalent where Novak is ahead of Nadal...see examples above, don't have time to waste to go through all of them...
 
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AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
Are you going to send a message to the admin? Just copied and pasted for you:

"Ultimatetennisstas has "false stats" for example in their Bo5 stats they often leave out Bo5 matches OUTSIDE of Slams and Davis Cup. For example, they have Borg as the highest Bo5 match winning percentage at 89%. Borg has the highest GS winning pct Open era but not the overall highest winning BO5 percentage. In fact, both Nadal and Djokovic have higher Bo5 match percentages. The real numbers are:

Nadal 345-44 88.7% (highest open era)
Djokovic 364-54 87.0%
Borg 205-33 85.2% (non-ATP not included as Invitational and small draw tournaments even with those he goes to about 86.4% still lower than bull and joker)"
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They have Borg 3rd at 86.8% and 224-34, and include multiple DC matches in that calculation.
 
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dr325i

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The_Order said:
Yeah lot's of non-clay/non-RG needed to fight your salt intake...
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Where are you located? I'd like to meet and play a match and show you how you get embarrassed by someone twice your age that can run circles around you. I travel a lot, name the place, lets meet and record...
 
The_Order

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dr325i said:
Where are you located? I'd like to meet and play a match and show you how you get embarrassed by someone twice your age that can run circles around you. I travel a lot, name the place, lets meet and record...
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I highly doubt you're twice my age...

It's obvious where I'm located...
 
AgassiSuperSlam11

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NoleFam said:
They have Borg 3rd at 86.8% and 224-34, and include multiople DC matches that calculation.
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Using the algorithm Career- Best of 5, All matches, all levels, vs all this is their result I get which is obviously incorrect. BTW, pre-open should be removed as they aren't including their fall stats anyway.




RankCountryNameMatches Won %
1 SWEBjorn Borg89.32%
2 ESPRafael Nadal 88.83%
3 SRBNovak Djokovic 87.32%
4 SUIRoger Federer85.74%
5 AUSRod Laver84.47%
6 USAPete Sampras82.69%
7 USAJimmy Connors81.88%
8 USAJohn McEnroe81.85%
9 GERBoris Becker81.61%
10 AUSKen Rosewall81.40%
11 GBRAndy Murray 80.50%
12 USAAndre Agassi79.88%
13 USAIvan Lendl79.56%
14 RUSAlex Metreveli78.20%
15 AUSJohn Newcombe77.70%
16 USAArthur Ashe77.19%
17 ARGGuillermo Vilas75.85%
17 SWEMats Wilander75.85%
19 SWEStefan Edberg75.43%
20 RUSDaniil Medvedev 74.42%
 
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tennis_pro said:
The only thing that matters that Nadal has over Djokovic at this point is 1 more major, that's it. Even if Djokovic just matches it he's got pretty much everything over Nadal.
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This is also true about our Rodger too :(
 
NoleFam

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AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
Using the algorithm Career- Best of 5, All matches, all levels, vs all this is their result I get which is obviously incorrect. BTW, pre-open should be removed as they aren't including their fall stats anyway.




RankCountryNameMatches Won %
1SWEBjorn Borg89.32%
2ESPRafael Nadal88.83%
3SRBNovak Djokovic87.32%
4SUIRoger Federer85.74%
5AUSRod Laver84.47%
6USAPete Sampras82.69%
7USAJimmy Connors81.88%
8USAJohn McEnroe81.85%
9GERBoris Becker81.61%
10AUSKen Rosewall81.40%
11GBRAndy Murray80.50%
12USAAndre Agassi79.88%
13USAIvan Lendl79.56%
14RUSAlex Metreveli78.20%
15AUSJohn Newcombe77.70%
16USAArthur Ashe77.19%
17ARGGuillermo Vilas75.85%
17SWEMats Wilander75.85%
19SWEStefan Edberg75.43%
20RUSDaniil Medvedev74.42%
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If you go to performance -> top performers and change best of any to best of 5, the numbers are different and correct. I'm not sure what you are doing. Lol. There have been some bugs on the site in the past where a few things were incorrect, and I think he fixed most of them, but doesn't mean there isn't still a bug causing wrong calculations on certain pages. There are no pre Open Era stats on UTS.
 
The_Order

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dr325i said:
Don’t be scared, you can tell us where you are
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I've already mentioned it on here several times...

You otoh, are nothing but a troll on this place... so salty you need to throw the "oh clay... oh RG" crap everywhere...

I would embarrass you to no end... what's your location?
 
AgassiSuperSlam11

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NoleFam said:
If you go to performance -> top performers and change best of any to best of 5, the numbers are different and correct. I'm not sure what you are doing. Lol. There have been some bugs on the site in the past where a few things were incorrect, and I think he fixed most of them, but doesn't mean there isn't still a bug causing wrong calculations on certain pages. There are no pre Open Era stats on UTS.
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This is why that site shouldn't be treated as a Tennis Bible as some do, but it's still a useful tool, and they should also consider adding WTA stats as well. It sounds like you know the admin.
 
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AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
This is why that site shouldn't be treated as a Tennis Bible as some do, but it's still a useful tool, and they should also consider adding WTA stats as well. It sounds like you know the admin.
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Yes it's just for Open Era comparisons, not all time, and I agree about the WTA. The admin has an account on here.
 
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All that Nadal really has is the marginal slam record. If he loses that it’s over for him. Even the biggest Nadal fan would have to admit he’s 2nd best to Djokovic then. Next year will be crucial. Let’s see what happens.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
All that Nadal really has is the marginal slam record. If he loses that it’s over for him. Even the biggest Nadal fan would have to admit he’s 2nd best to Djokovic then. Next year will be crucial. Let’s see what happens.
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I think he has more than a marginal slam record, but I agree if they are tied in slams then the argument for Djokovic becomes very strong. However, these are the records we have today. If the youngest generation as Alcaraz, Rune, Sinner, and FAA step-up their game then both of them may have only 1 or 2 more slams in them.
 
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Everyone just needs to come to epiclando and have me grill for you while we watch epic highlights and sip champagne :D its too heated on here for silly reasons.
 
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Only a very bored and insecure person would take the time to post, let alone research this. Your parents should make you get a job.
 
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SonnyT

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Nadal has to thank the Morrison Aussie government for kicking out Djokovic, or else Nadal's Aussie slam record would still be struck 1!
 
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SonnyT said:
Nadal has to thank the Morrison Aussie government for kicking out Djokovic, or else Nadal's Aussie slam record would still be struck 1!
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Kralingen said:
We need @TMF to create the Federer one now with his “300 records” lmao
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Actually any Federer fan can easily list 50 things that he has over BOTH Nadal and Djokovic.

The difference is Federer fanbase is not desperate and insecure like the other two
 
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AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
I think he has more than a marginal slam record, but I agree if they are tied in slams then the argument for Djokovic becomes very strong. However, these are the records we have today. If the youngest generation as Alcaraz, Rune, Sinner, and FAA step-up their game then both of them may have only 1 or 2 more slams in them.
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Fair comment and let’s see what happens. I expect it will get more difficult for djokodal to fend the younger guys off in 2023.
 
dr325i

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The_Order said:
I've already mentioned it on here several times...

You otoh, are nothing but a troll on this place... so salty you need to throw the "oh clay... oh RG" crap everywhere...

I would embarrass you to no end... what's your location?
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My location is clearly displayed under my avatar, yours? Not so much. So, let’s meet and see who gets embarrassed, bo5
 
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The_Order said:
A couple days ago I was challenged by a poster on this forum to name 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic.

After taking about 5 minutes out of my day for the past 3 days, I found 50 things Nadal has over Djokovic. They are listed below.

  1. Total Majors won (22 - Record)
  2. Roland Garros titles (Record)
  3. US Open titles
  4. Olympic Singles Gold
  5. Career Golden Slam
  6. Most match wins at a major (112 - Record)
  7. 10 slam title defences (Joint-record w/Federer)
  8. Consecutive weeks in top 10 (900 and counting - Record)
  9. Leads Slam H2H
  10. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  11. 15 seasons winning 1+ major (Record)
  12. 3 majors in 3 separate decades (Record)
  13. Most combined HC and Clay slams (20 - Record)
  14. Most combined Grass and Clay slams (16 - Record)
  15. Won 4 majors without losing a set (Djok has zero - Record)
  16. Won 8 majors losing no more than 1 set (Record)
  17. Defeated 4 top 10 players en route to a slam title (Joint-record w/Wilander & Federer)
  18. Clay Slam (MC + Madrid + Rome + RG) in a single season (Record)
  19. Summer Slam (Canada + Cinci + US Open) in a single season (Joint-record w/Rafter & Roddick)
  20. Highest outdoor match win % (Record)
  21. Davis Cups
  22. Outdoor titles (Record)
  23. 10+ titles at four events (Barca + MC + Rome + RG - Record)
  24. Most combined HC + Clay titles (88 - Record)
  25. Most match wins vs #1 ranked player (23 - Record)
  26. 13 YE top 2 finishes (Record)
  27. 592+ weeks in top 2 (Record)
  28. 16 consecutive years qualified for YEC (Record)
  29. 46 consecutive match wins at single tournament (46 @ MC - Record)
  30. 10 consecutive seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  31. 15 seasons winning 1+ M1000 title (Record)
  32. 20+ finals reached on two different surfaces at M1000 level (Record)
  33. Oldest RG Champion (Record)
  34. 8 slam finals reached without losing a set (Record)
  35. 4 consecutive M1000 in a season (Record)
  36. 8 M1000 won without losing a set (Record)
  37. 76 M1000 sf reached (Record)
  38. 99 M1000 qf reached (Record)
  39. Held #1 ranking in three separate decades (Record)
  40. 470+ match wins on both hc and clay (Record)
  41. Most consecutive match wins on single surface (81 on clay - Record)
  42. Most Rome titles (Record)
  43. Most MC titles (Record)
  44. Unimaginable 137-3 w/l record in bo5 on clay (Record)
  45. 35+ wins on hc and clay in same season (Record)
  46. 32 consecutive matches won across 3 different surfaces (Record)
  47. 5 consecutive big titles in a single season (Record)
  48. Most consecutive years winning an ATP title (19 - Record)
  49. Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award
  50. Double channel slam (Joint-record w/Laver & Borg)

    As you can tell, Nadal fans, most of these things are records. Id say around 40/50 are the most important sporting metrics in tennis history. Don’t mess with the king.
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Awesome!!!

Thanks for putting it together!
 
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dr325i said:
Where are you located? I'd like to meet and play a match and show you how you get embarrassed by someone twice your age that can run circles around you. I travel a lot, name the place, lets meet and record...
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Lemon slices for you, I think! Have a nice rest while you enjoy them :giggle: Lol at you threatening posters and being all tough guy cos your argument got blasted :-D :laughing: :-D :giggle:
 
dr325i

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Tennfan123 said:
Lemon slices for you, I think! Have a nice rest while you enjoy them :giggle: Lol at you threatening posters and being all tough guy cos your argument got blasted :-D :laughing: :-D :giggle:
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Threatening? Show me where I threatened anyone. Then show me how my argument got blasted too LOL. Stay out of it because you’re embarrassing yourself dumdum

by the way, I did not challenge him to a match (I have no idea what his level is) before he personally attacked me above…
 
The_Order

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dr325i said:
Threatening? Show me where I threatened anyone. Then show me how my argument got blasted too LOL. Stay out of it because you’re embarrassing yourself dumdum

by the way, I did not challenge him to a match (I have no idea what his level is) before he personally attacked me above…
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What personal attack? You're salty af over Nadal's success... non stop whinging and even an avatar with the guy in it...

I've mentioned many times I'm in Melb... bring yourself down here pal...
 
The_Order

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TMF said:
Actually any Federer fan can easily list 50 things that he has over BOTH Nadal and Djokovic.

The difference is Federer fanbase is not desperate and insecure like the other two
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Coming from the guy who literally used to plaster a list of Federer records all over this place :-D
 
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Last time Nadal beat Djokovic off clay was '13 at UO. Since they played 11 times off clay, and Djokovic was 11-0. Djokovic would be glad to play again, off and on clay. No wonder Nadal doesn't want to play Djokovic at any Slam except RG. Nadal withdrew from '22 W before semifinal, for instance, and yet within a week, he was jet skiing!

On clay since, at least Djokovic had 2 victories at RG.
 
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dr325i

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The_Order said:
What personal attack? You're salty af over Nadal's success... non stop whinging and even an avatar with the guy in it...

I've mentioned many times I'm in Melb... bring yourself down here pal...
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I will one day…again…
Let me know if you end up on this side of the World
 
The_Order

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SonnyT said:
Last time Nadal beat Djokovic off clay was '13 at UO. Since they played 11 times off clay, and Djokovic was 11-0. Djokovic would be glad to play again, off and on clay. No wonder Nadal doesn't want to play Djokovic at any Slam except RG. Nadal withdrew from '22 W before semifinal, for instance, and yet within a week, he was jet skiing!

On clay since, at least Djokovic had 2 victories at RG.
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Yeah but they haven't played much in recent times... I think 3 total matches off clay since Nadal changed to Moya...

Djok got a lot of his wins against Nadal in 15-16... when Djok was down on form, he wasn't even good enough to reach Nadal...

So Rafa turned up 7 times even though he knew Djok was in better form... Djok only once at Madrid where he's expected to lose to him anyway...

The reason they haven't met much off clay can be attributed to Djok almost as much as it can to Nadal... Nadal made it deep to something like 15 big hc events since Moya... sf or f... only one where Djok reached him was AO19. Djok I think has made it deep (sf or f) in maybe one or two more than Nadal in that same time frame...
 
The_Order

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dr325i said:
I will one day…again…
Let me know if you end up on this side of the World
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Yeah.. listen I'm not your mate. I don't know you, and judging by your attitude on here, I don't want to know you.

If I end up taking the ~20 hour flight to go to US again... playing a tennis match against you will be the last thing on my agenda.. that I can assure you.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you must be a decent enough player though... unlike some of the other trolls on here.

Here's a tip, don't take things on here personal. This thread was made really as a bit of a joke to mock another troll on here who probably hasn't picked up a racquet in his life... still that doesn't invalidate anyone's opinion.
 
dr325i

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The_Order said:
Yeah.. listen I'm not your mate. I don't know you, and judging by your attitude on here, I don't want to know you.

If I end up taking the ~20 hour flight to go to US again... playing a tennis match against you will be the last thing on my agenda.. that I can assure you.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you must be a decent enough player though... unlike some of the other trolls on here.

Here's a tip, don't take things on here personal. This thread was made really as a bit of a joke to mock another troll on here who probably hasn't picked up a racquet in his life... still that doesn't invalidate anyone's opinion.
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No one said we were mates. I still want to whoop your Nadal…behind…just being nice and inviting you to let me know when you’re on this side.
not sure how you got that I am taking any of this personal. You’re assuming too many things…and you should not, including all emotions about your boy. Many did before and then had to leave this board ;)

May favorite (AM) is unfortunately finished. I am having fun stating reality/truth about the other two remaining…
 
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The_Order said:
Yeah.. listen I'm not your mate. I don't know you, and judging by your attitude on here, I don't want to know you.

If I end up taking the ~20 hour flight to go to US again... playing a tennis match against you will be the last thing on my agenda.. that I can assure you.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you must be a decent enough player though... unlike some of the other trolls on here.

Here's a tip, don't take things on here personal. This thread was made really as a bit of a joke to mock another troll on here who probably hasn't picked up a racquet in his life... still that doesn't invalidate anyone's opinion.
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Cry.
 
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The_Order said:
Yeah but they haven't played much in recent times... I think 3 total matches off clay since Nadal changed to Moya...

Djok got a lot of his wins against Nadal in 15-16... when Djok was down on form, he wasn't even good enough to reach Nadal...
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So Rafa turned up 7 times even though he knew Djok was in better form... Djok only once at Madrid where he's expected to lose to him anyway...

The reason they haven't met much off clay can be attributed to Djok almost as much as it can to Nadal... Nadal made it deep to something like 15 big hc events sincte Moya... sf or f... only one where Djok reached him was AO19. Djok I think has made it deep (sf or f) in maybe one or two more than Nadal in that same time frame...
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They met only 11 times off clay, that wasn't Djok's fault. He certainly reached the end of off-clay tournaments much more often than Nadal. And yet the last 3 times they met at Slams were at RG!

I was watching a youtube video recently. It said Nadal withdrew from 16 (?) tournaments, only 2 were on clay!
 
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socallefty

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I like the record that he qualified the most times consecutively for the YEC/ATP finals. Too bad he couldn‘t win it even once in that case.:unsure:
 
The_Order

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dr325i said:
No one said we were mates. I still want to whoop your Nadal…behind…just being nice and inviting you to let me know when you’re on this side.
not sure how you got that I am taking any of this personal. You’re assuming too many things…and you should not, including all emotions about your boy. Many did before and then had to leave this board ;)

May favorite (AM) is unfortunately finished. I am having fun stating reality/truth about the other two remaining…
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You said I got personal and attacked you... lmfao that's not an assumption...

Not my problem your little feelings got hurt... you make nonsensical statements, you get called out. Clay results are just as meaningful as hc and grass, whether you like it or not.

I've been here for long enough to know how this board operates... and I've seen enough of your whinging.
 
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