So what does Djokovic have over Nadal?

[NoleFam]

This is why it is clear, that IF Djokovic catches Nadal in the slam count, he blows him out of the water with all these other records. This is why Nadal needs that slam record.

- He is also the oldest year ending number one.
- Only player to win at least 80 matches at all four slams
- Only player to make at least 7 slam semis all four slams
- Only player to win at least 7 slams at two different events
- Only player to win at least 7 slams at different events on different surfaces (Hard,Grass)
- Only player to win four slams in a row on three different surfaces

There are a lot more.

Most Miami titles (tied with Agassi)
Most Indian Wells titles (tied with Federer)
Only player to have at least an 80% winning percentage on hard, clay and grass
Longer winning streak (43 matches)
Has 4 streaks where he won at least 28 consecutive matches
Only player to win 3 consecutive Slams 4 times
etc., etc.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Fair play to Djokovic.

 

[RS]

This Nadal fan vs Djokovic fan stuff is getting weird.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

This Nadal fan vs Djokovic fan stuff is getting weird.

This feels quite normal, ''relatively speaking, boss.''

 

[gold325]

The EXPRESSSIONS are just perfect!

Djokovic - "You thought I couldnt do it? I'll show you - There will be no BIG 3. It will be A BIG ONE soon"
Nadal - "Oh man... I hope I can hold on. In the meantime let me make up a sheepish year book smile"
Federer - "Let me atleast try to look good for this picture...."

 

[Julius Caesar]

********* seeking for attention from their second place, lol. Kinda pathetic really.

 

[Hitman]

Most Miami titles (tied with Agassi)
Most Indian Wells titles (tied with Federer)
Only player to have at least an 80% winning percentage on hard, clay and grass
Longer winning streak (43 matches)
Has 4 streaks where he won at least 28 consecutive matches
Only player to win 3 consecutive Slams 4 times
etc., etc.

Insaneovic.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Nadal still has a ton of things over Djokovic that aren’t Slam record related anyways

let’s not forget that he actually beat PEAK Fed on his best surface while Djoko beat a 30 year old pretender

Stole multiple YE #1s from him in years where he wasn’t even fully fit the entire year (2013/19)

4>3 2-1 at the US Open

Ton of age related longevity stuff. Most weeks in top 3/5 etc. obviously a more accomplished player on his best surface than Djokovic on his.

There will always be arguments for each of them. Of course the one who ends up with the most Slams is in the driver’s seat. But regardless of who has more Slams I wouldn’t say it’s an open and shut case. Gun to my head I’d pick Djoker marginally if he does win the Slam race over Rafa, but I really don’t think he will.

Djoko doesn’t need to win the slam race. If they are tied then Djokovic is superior to Nadal overall. He just needs to be at least level.

 

[mehdimike]

This is why it is clear, that IF Djokovic catches Nadal in the slam count, he blows him out of the water with all these other records. This is why Nadal needs that slam record.

- He is also the oldest year ending number one.
- Only player to win at least 80 matches at all four slams
- Only player to make at least 7 slam semis all four slams
- Only player to win at least 7 slams at two different events
- Only player to win at least 7 slams at different events on different surfaces (Hard,Grass)
- Only player to win four slams in a row on three different surfaces

There are a lot more.

This one is shared with Nadal I guess. Or maybe I am wrong

 

[Matrix968]

You are both wrong, Novak has 9 semis min. at each slam

 

[Razer]

A couple days ago I was challenged by a poster on this forum to name 50 things Djokovic has over Nadal.

After taking about 5 minutes out of my day for the past 3 days, I found 50 things Djokovic has over Nadal. They are listed below.

1. Australian Open titles (Record)
2. Wimbledon titles
3. Year end titles (Joint-record w/ Federer)
4. Most year end world number 1 finishes (Record)
5. Most masters titles (Record)
6. Most weeks at number 1 (Record)
7. Consecutive weeks at number 1
8. Leads H2H
9. Most big titles (Record)
10. 4 slams in a row (Joint-record w/ Rod Laver)
11. Double career masters (Record)
12. Highest peak ranking points (Record)
13. Most career ranking points (Record)
14. Highest points in one season (Record)
15. 7x ITF World Champion (Record)
16. Top 5 wins (Record)
17. Top 10 wins (Record)
18. Most big titles won in a season (Record)
19. 3 slam seasons
20. ATP Cup
21. Most big 3 wins (record)
22. Most top 10 wins in a season (Record)
23. Big titles sweep (Record)
24. 13 consecutive French Open QF’s (Record)
25. Most Masters won in a single season (Record)
26. Most masters finals reached in a single season (Record)
27. 5 straight masters titles (Record)
28. 11 straight masters finals (Record)
29. 12 consecutive masters finals won (Record)
30. 15 straight finals in a season (Record)
31. 6 straight years winning 3+ masters titles (Record)
32. Autumn sweep of Shanghai, Paris, YEC
33. Oldest YEC Champion (Record)
34. 25+ wins over each of the big 4 (Record)
35. All-time prize money winner (Record)
36. Most prize money in one season (Record)
37. Most wins as world number 1 (Record)
38. Hold all 4 slams + YEC simultaneously (Record)
39. Most Paris titles (Record)
40. Most Shanghai titles (Record)
41. Most 5 set matches won (Record)
42. 30 straight slam match wins (Record)
43. 27 major match wins in a season (Joint record w/Federer)
44. Longest slam final ever won (over Nadal, Record)
45. 3x winner at 6 different Big Tournaments (Record)
46. 7 titles defended in a season (Joint-record w/Federer)
47. Defeated all top-10 players in a single season (Record)
48. 5 consecutive match wins against a world no.1 player (over Nadal, record)
49. Highest match winning % (Record)
50. Highest match winning % after dropping the first set (Record)
    
    As you can tell, Djokovic fans, most of these things are records. Id say around 40/50 are the most important sporting metrics in tennis history. Don’t mess with the king.​

Additionally

51. Longest Gap between 1st Tour Finals title won to Last Tour Finals Title won - 14 years and 4 days
52. Least Games lost winning Tour Finals Title - 16 (2014 WTF)
53. Most Masters Bagels Scored - 42
54. Most Grand Slam Breadsticks Scored - 147
55. Most Breadsticks scored vs Top 5 - 33
56. Most Breadsticks scored vs Top 10 - 65
57. Most Hard Court Breadsticks scored - 213
58. Highest Career Ranking Points as Year end Rank 2 (12260 in 2013)
59. Highest Career Ranking Points as Year end Rank 3 (10,000+ in 2008 - adjusted to latest ranking system)
60. Highest % Difference in Points Between Rank 1 and Rank 2 at any point in history - Almost 120% (Novak had 16550 points and Roger had 7525 points as rank 2 on 09/05/2016 - 119.9% difference), this and the 9025 points difference also being a world record.
61. Most Matches won by Retirement/Walkover/Defaulting - 41 in total

There might be more if we sit down and make a full list.

 

[Bubcay]

A couple days ago I was challenged by a poster on this forum to name 50 things Djokovic has over Nadal.

After taking about 5 minutes out of my day for the past 3 days, I found 50 things Djokovic has over Nadal. They are listed below.

1. Australian Open titles (Record)
2. Wimbledon titles
3. Year end titles (Joint-record w/ Federer)
4. Most year end world number 1 finishes (Record)
5. Most masters titles (Record)
6. Most weeks at number 1 (Record)
7. Consecutive weeks at number 1
8. Leads H2H
9. Most big titles (Record)
10. 4 slams in a row (Joint-record w/ Rod Laver)
11. Double career masters (Record)
12. Highest peak ranking points (Record)
13. Most career ranking points (Record)
14. Highest points in one season (Record)
15. 7x ITF World Champion (Record)
16. Top 5 wins (Record)
17. Top 10 wins (Record)
18. Most big titles won in a season (Record)
19. 3 slam seasons
20. ATP Cup
21. Most big 3 wins (record)
22. Most top 10 wins in a season (Record)
23. Big titles sweep (Record)
24. 13 consecutive French Open QF’s (Record)
25. Most Masters won in a single season (Record)
26. Most masters finals reached in a single season (Record)
27. 5 straight masters titles (Record)
28. 11 straight masters finals (Record)
29. 12 consecutive masters finals won (Record)
30. 15 straight finals in a season (Record)
31. 6 straight years winning 3+ masters titles (Record)
32. Autumn sweep of Shanghai, Paris, YEC
33. Oldest YEC Champion (Record)
34. 25+ wins over each of the big 4 (Record)
35. All-time prize money winner (Record)
36. Most prize money in one season (Record)
37. Most wins as world number 1 (Record)
38. Hold all 4 slams + YEC simultaneously (Record)
39. Most Paris titles (Record)
40. Most Shanghai titles (Record)
41. Most 5 set matches won (Record)
42. 30 straight slam match wins (Record)
43. 27 major match wins in a season (Joint record w/Federer)
44. Longest slam final ever won (over Nadal, Record)
45. 3x winner at 6 different Big Tournaments (Record)
46. 7 titles defended in a season (Joint-record w/Federer)
47. Defeated all top-10 players in a single season (Record)
48. 5 consecutive match wins against a world no.1 player (over Nadal, record)
49. Highest match winning % (Record)
50. Highest match winning % after dropping the first set (Record)
    
    As you can tell, Djokovic fans, most of these things are records. Id say around 40/50 are the most important sporting metrics in tennis history. Don’t mess with the king.​

So what does Djokovic have over Nadal?

 

[joshuayuan]

********* seeking for attention from their second place, lol. Kinda pathetic really.

 

[graycrait]

$1.1 billion: Federer’s career earnings total before taxes and agents’ fees, more than twice Nadal’s $500 million and Djokovic’s $470 million, according to Forbes estimates. (He also far surpasses Serena Williams’ $340 million, the best mark on the women’s side.) It’s the fifth-highest total ever recorded by an active athlete, according to Forbes estimates, leaving him behind only Woods, Cristiano Ronaldo, James and Lionel Messi. Federer, who has a significant stake in the Swiss shoe brand On in addition to his cash earnings, can now seek to become the fourth billionaire athlete, after Michael Jordan, James and Woods.

20 Grand Slams, $1.1 Billion In Earnings: Roger Federer’s Legendary Career By The Numbers

The 41-year-old ace, taking the court one final time at the Laver Cup, is undoubtedly tennis’ greatest of all-time—off the court, at least.

www.forbes.com

 

[Fabresque]

Slam record!

He has it!

 

[NeutralFan]

He has it!

Tied but yeah Djokovic is ahead and most probably have it alone. Btw are you eastern European?

 

[Tarkovsky]

********* seeking for attention from their second place, lol. Kinda pathetic really.

Nadal fans should be proud about his record that neither Djokovic nor Federer were able to break:

and I believe no one ever would be able to be No. 2 for such a long time, Nadal will be the best No.2 forever!

 

[Fabresque]

Tied but yeah Djokovic is ahead and most probably have it alone. Btw are you eastern European?

Djokovic is ahead if it’s even and if he’s 1 behind. 2 behind and they’re even. 3+ then Nadal is GOAT.

And I am but more Mediterranean than something like Russian. Why?

 

[NeutralFan]

Djokovic is ahead if it’s even and if he’s 1 behind. 2 behind and they’re even. 3+ then Nadal is GOAT.

And I am but more Mediterranean than something like Russian. Why?

GOAT term is nonsense. Yeah, Djokovic is ahead as a player since they are tied. With one or two behind nope ,but it's futile since Nadal is most probably done and Djokovic will be solo slam leader. I asked because most of his fans are eastern Europeans and you had Modric DP i guess, great player , my favourite midfielder.

 

[Fabresque]

Its a shame Rafa still negates all this and what you REALLY need on the list is missing

We have it now bozo!

 

[Fabresque]

I asked because most of his fans are eastern Europeans and you had Modric DP i guess, great player , my favourite midfielder.

I am neither Serbian nor Croatian but I like both. Modric is in my opinion probably one of if not the greatest midfielders of all time. It’s such a shame didn’t join Real Madrid until he was 27(!!), if he joined at 22-23 I think most people would consider him superior to Iniesta, Xavi etc

 

[chjtennis]

I think comparison between these two is quite straight forward since they are only 1 year apart in age. Djokovic clearly has emerged as the better of the two except for the dominance on clay.

 

[Crocodile]

Quite an impressive list of stats when you read through them however when I saw the title, “ What does Novak have over Rafael “, I thought maybe there was some issue going on with Rafael that only Novak knows and he is holding it against him or they are both a members of the Leopard lodge and Novak was his boss in the Grand lodge.

 

[RF-18]

Delete

 

[Crocodile]

Just from a perceptional point of view ( and I cannot possible know with 100 percent accuracy) but it appears that Novak has less debilitating injury concerns than Rafael as of jan 2023. Rafael has had foot and ankle issues since he was a child so it’s amazing that he has been able to work around it during his career but at some stage this imbalance in his anatomy will catch up with him with knee and back problems. It’s amazing how well he has done but that’s what hard work is about. I think he exerts more bio mechanical loads on his body than Novak. Novak seems easier and more conservative.
As far as their games are concerned each of them have pluses and minuses. Interestingly both guys don’t have the biggest serves but they are very well targeted at crucial times. I find it perplexing that nobody at present is picking Novak’s slider down the middle on the ad court. Rafa on the other hand has the natural advantage with his serve going wide on the at court against the right handers. Rafa has very good lateral movement in running around his backhand to access his forehand and Novak is exceptionally good at transitioning from defence to attack quickly.

 

[joshuayuan]

https://imgur.com/a/8BKf35O

 

[secund2nun]

https://imgur.com/a/8BKf35O

Nadal fanboys won't touch this. It shows that Nole is by far the GOAT with Fed as second. Nadal is 3rd.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Pretty much everything apart from Olympic gold.

 

[TMF]

Nadal fans will say their favorite is a better player and more epic
Nole fans will say Djokovic is a better player and have more numbers

Who's career was more impressive, it depends on which fan base you belongs too.

The reality is that these all time great like the big 3, Laver, Sampras, Borg, Gonzalez, etc..all belongs in Tier 1 great. There's no goat !

 

[Fabresque]

Its a shame Rafa still negates all this and what you REALLY need on the list is missing

???

 

[Fabresque]

Nadal fans will say their favorite is a better player and more epic
Nole fans will say Djokovic is a better player and have more numbers

Who's career was more impressive, it depends on which fan base you belongs too.

The reality is that these all time great like the big 3, Laver, Sampras, Borg, Gonzalez, etc..all belongs in Tier 1 great. There's no goat !

Incorrect.

Big 3 are on their own at the top, then there’s a tier gap, then you have Laver Sampras Borg Pancho Emerson etc

 

[secund2nun]

Incorrect.

Big 3 are on their own at the top, then there’s a tier gap, then you have Laver Sampras Borg Pancho Emerson etc

It goes like this:

Nole

Federer/Nadal

Next level below like Sampras etc

The rest.

 

[thrust]

And yet I’d rather watch paint dry.

Sure, you would- LOL!

 

[thrust]

Incorrect.

Big 3 are on their own at the top, then there’s a tier gap, then you have Laver Sampras Borg Pancho Emerson etc

Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are at the top of the open era. Gonzalez, Laver and Rosewall were at the top of the pre-open era from 1950-67

 

[AgassiSuperSlam11]

Just from a perceptional point of view ( and I cannot possible know with 100 percent accuracy) but it appears that Novak has less debilitating injury concerns than Rafael as of jan 2023. Rafael has had foot and ankle issues since he was a child so it’s amazing that he has been able to work around it during his career but at some stage this imbalance in his anatomy will catch up with him with knee and back problems. It’s amazing how well he has done but that’s what hard work is about. I think he exerts more bio mechanical loads on his body than Novak. Novak seems easier and more conservative.
As far as their games are concerned each of them have pluses and minuses. Interestingly both guys don’t have the biggest serves but they are very well targeted at crucial times. I find it perplexing that nobody at present is picking Novak’s slider down the middle on the ad court. Rafa on the other hand has the natural advantage with his serve going wide on the at court against the right handers. Rafa has very good lateral movement in running around his backhand to access his forehand and Novak is exceptionally good at transitioning from defence to attack quickly.

Fair and informative analysis compared to the majority of this stuff seen in these threads.

 

[nolefam_2024]

If you lose this I hope you know you genuinely have nothing left.

I mean with politics rafa even got it, its not his fault but scott morrison's.

And when it was taken AWAY from him, nothing was left. Too epic.

 

[cb4_89]

Tiene todos at this point. And we are heading into 2024 without any handicaps in the form of political BS. The last stand for Rafa. Can't afford Novak having anywhere near a 2023 repeat.