It seems that US Open 2017 Rafa path was harder than Djoko AO23 path

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KTIP

Guest
Rafa was 31 years old, fresh, no injuries, 3 lost sets and at least one serious guy, who named was DelPotro.
Djokovic 36 years old, with harmstring injury, so far 1 set lost, but i dont think is there any chance to lost at least more than one. Any serious guy? Probably Tsitsipas in final, but can we say tsitsipas is serious if he lost RG21 leading 2-0, against guy for who clay is the worst surface?
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
Rafa was 31 years old, fresh, no injuries, 3 lost sets and at least one serious guy, who named was DelPotro.
Djokovic 36 years old, with harmstring injury, so far 1 set lost, but i dont think is there any chance to lost at least more than one. Any serious guy? Probably Tsitsipas in final, but can we say tsitsipas is serious if he lost RG21 leading 2-0, against guy for who clay is the worst surface?
It's all about framing... That "guy for who clay is the worst surface" is also historic top5 clay ATG that has just won clay GOAT few days before that final.
 

PerilousPear

Professional
It'd have to get dumpster fire bad for a draw to be compared to USO 17. Exhausted Delpo was the only top 30 player Nadal faced. Djokovic seems to be on path to face 2 top 10 players, so no. Hard disagree.
 
K

KTIP

Guest
It'd have to get dumpster fire bad for a draw to be compared to USO 17. Exhausted Delpo was the only top 30 player Nadal faced. Djokovic seems to be on path to face 2 top 10 players, so no. Hard disagree.
This rankings means nothing from years
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
It's a laughable state of affairs really. Reminds me of some of those late era Serena Williams slams where she was 35/36 and there was literally nobody in the draw to give her a game.
 
Someone forgot apparently
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TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
USO 2017:
Lajovic, Daniel, Mayer, Dolgopolov, Rublev, Delpo, Anderson (none ranked in top 25). Delpo was a stronger opponent than on paper due to injury prior, so sure. Call him a strong opponent, even if he's far removed from his 2009.

AO 2023:
RCB, Couacaud, Dimitrov, ADM, Rublev, Paul, Tsitsipas (likely).

In no world is 2023 AO even close to 2017 USO. Tsitsipas is a good parallel to Delpo, even if I think Tsitsipas could be more dangerous than old Delpo would've been here. Let's say equals. Then 2023 Rublev absolutely crushes anyone in the 2017 draw. Solely by rankings, that's evident. At the very least he'd crush the first 5 rounds Nadal played. Anderson v Rublev could be a match, but I still think Rublev takes it. ADM then also is probably better than the first 4-5 rounds in 2017, and Dimitrov easily takes on Lajovic, Daniel, Mayer, and Dolgopolov. Yes, RCB and Couacaud were poor opponents but I don't think their chances of causing an upset were that much lower than Lajovic's and Daniel's (mostly through virtue of their chances already being so low.)

In essence... there's no reason to think Djokovic's 2023 AO draw was easier than 2017 USO. Maybe this has something to say if Tsitsipas ends up losing to Khachanov, but even then I think I give it to 2023 AO. Even if Djokovic crushed his R4 and QF opponents that doesn't mean they were necessarily weak. No one in their right minds is calling 2019 AO Nadal a weak opponent.

By rankings, level of play, historical rankings. All of it swings 2023 AO's way.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Bionic Poster
USO 2017:
Lajovic, Daniel, Mayer, Dolgopolov, Rublev, Delpo, Anderson (none ranked in top 25). Delpo was a stronger opponent than on paper due to injury prior, so sure. Call him a strong opponent, even if he's far removed from his 2009.

AO 2023:
RCB, Couacaud, Dimitrov, ADM, Rublev, Paul, Tsitsipas (likely).

In no world is 2023 AO even close to 2017 USO. Tsitsipas is a good parallel to Delpo, even if I think Tsitsipas could be more dangerous than old Delpo would've been here. Let's say equals. Then 2023 Rublev absolutely crushes anyone in the 2017 draw. Solely by rankings, that's evident. At the very least he'd crush the first 5 rounds Nadal played. Anderson v Rublev could be a match, but I still think Rublev takes it. ADM then also is probably better than the first 4-5 rounds in 2017, and Dimitrov easily takes on Lajovic, Daniel, Mayer, and Dolgopolov. Yes, RCB and Couacaud were poor opponents but I don't think their chances of causing an upset were that much lower than Lajovic's and Daniel's (mostly through virtue of their chances already being so low.)

In essence... there's no reason to think Djokovic's 2023 AO draw was easier than 2017 USO. Maybe this has something to say if Tsitsipas ends up losing to Khachanov, but even then I think I give it to 2023 AO. Even if Djokovic crushed his R4 and QF opponents that doesn't mean they were necessarily weak. No one in their right minds is calling 2019 AO Nadal a weak opponent.

By rankings, level of play, historical rankings. All of it swings 2023 AO's way.

Rublev crushing anyone in the 2017 draw?

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StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
USO 2017:
Lajovic, Daniel, Mayer, Dolgopolov, Rublev, Delpo, Anderson (none ranked in top 25). Delpo was a stronger opponent than on paper due to injury prior, so sure. Call him a strong opponent, even if he's far removed from his 2009.

AO 2023:
RCB, Couacaud, Dimitrov, ADM, Rublev, Paul, Tsitsipas (likely).

In no world is 2023 AO even close to 2017 USO. Tsitsipas is a good parallel to Delpo, even if I think Tsitsipas could be more dangerous than old Delpo would've been here. Let's say equals. Then 2023 Rublev absolutely crushes anyone in the 2017 draw. Solely by rankings, that's evident. At the very least he'd crush the first 5 rounds Nadal played. Anderson v Rublev could be a match, but I still think Rublev takes it. ADM then also is probably better than the first 4-5 rounds in 2017, and Dimitrov easily takes on Lajovic, Daniel, Mayer, and Dolgopolov. Yes, RCB and Couacaud were poor opponents but I don't think their chances of causing an upset were that much lower than Lajovic's and Daniel's (mostly through virtue of their chances already being so low.)

In essence... there's no reason to think Djokovic's 2023 AO draw was easier than 2017 USO. Maybe this has something to say if Tsitsipas ends up losing to Khachanov, but even then I think I give it to 2023 AO. Even if Djokovic crushed his R4 and QF opponents that doesn't mean they were necessarily weak. No one in their right minds is calling 2019 AO Nadal a weak opponent.

By rankings, level of play, historical rankings. All of it swings 2023 AO's way.
Given how Nadal played in the final, yes, he was a very weak opponent.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Djokovic last 4 AO SF opponents

Pouille
Karatsev
38-year old one-legged Federer
Tommy Paul

o_O :-D
A Federer that a few months ago beat Nadal and gave Djok all he could handle at WB. Federer was followed by Thiem in the F, who went 5 sets.

Karatsev was sandwiched between Zverev and Med. Karatsev's QF opponent was Dimitrov, who couldn't beat Djokovic anyways.

Djokovic beat Nadal almost as badly as Pouille.
 

Erlang

Rookie
Nadal 31 years old, rublev first experience in QF
Djokovic 36 years old, rublev with much more experience
Start use your brain
Wouldn't it be easier for a younger Rafa to beat an inexperienced Rublev, than for old man Novak to beat an experienced Rublev?

Rulev is a far better player today than he was then. This is reflected in the rankings as well, he was ranked 53rd in 2017 but 6th now
 
Tsitsipas will probably play better than Delpo and elevate the draw a little but this is a very weak slam. Par for the course in this era.

Lots of “7+ slams in any other era” guys are gone. Lol Where are all those “7+ slams in any other era“ posters and why aren’t they still posting that nonsense? 2 years ago, they made every other post.
 
Nope. Nadal’s 2017 US Open draw is the easiest of all time, that’s why nobody takes it seriously. Djokovic has never had an easy draw in a slam and he’s always had to fight hard to earn it.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Why are Djokovic fans talking sh*t about Anderson when their guy had to play him in a slam final less than 1 year later? lol

Djokovic semi final was tougher than all of Nadal's seven matches at USO 2017 put together. That one match is enough to overshadow the entire USO 2017 run.
 
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