mike danny
Bionic Poster
Best player born in the 90's, ladies and gentlemen.
Daniil Medvedev hasn’t made it out of the first week of a Grand Slam in 500 days
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StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
The head to head is 1-0 to him on clay.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I can't see him being the first to defend the USO since Fed in 2008.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Evans is also 1-0 on clay vs Djokovic.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Nobody cares about a random loss to Med in a BO3. Medvedev does not have a prayer here. Let's be serious.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Right. What's the name of the titan who beat him in Rome?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Has he even qualified for RG?
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
because nobody cares. That's probably what I can think of.
Who knew Med was a Fed fan.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Del Potro never beat Djokovic in BO5, unless you really want to count DC 2011 as a BO5 win. And Med has 5 wins against Djokovic in total, not just 1. Had they played he would most likely lose, but at least he has the best head to head between all the players in the draw.
What did Alcaraz ever do to be called the favorite against Djokovic in BO5? It's ridiculous to bet against a player who wins 90% of the slams he plays in the last few years. We had that same hype with lots of other players, and they never brought it to BO5.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
I am not a fan of his to put it shortly. He can be funny off the court and I think his game is unique.
His personality is generally awful, he is literally Kyrgios-lite in his treatment of umpires and fans and he always plays the victim or blames others when things don’t go well for him. He’s an immature brat as far as I’m concerned.
Plus I generally think he’s overrated as shown by the lack of Slam success. He never gets any criticism.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
I like Med as he does seem like a real good dude with that dry type of personality. Entertaining. But man its frustrating watching the guy at slams no doubt. He does so well in best of 3 and time and time again he lays stinkers on the big stage
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure, but he must be a real titan if he beat Alcaraz. (something that according to this forum even Djokovic is not able to do)
ghostofMecir
Legend
No, it really is that bad.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
We all know Djokovic is a lock for the title, and always was. But with top seeds losing, it's becoming even a weaker tournament.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Maroszan, the man with the second highest baseline peak in tennis history.
Anyways, you should know it came after 3 straight weeks of tennis, winning Barcelona without dropping a set then following it up with a Madrid win.
Meanwhile, Djokovic has lost to Musetti, Lajovic, and now Rune in Rome, not even making one semifinal on clay. How is he the favorite?
Phenomenal
Professional
RS
Bionic Poster
Never.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
This is Djokovic's usual level in BO3 for years now, but how many times has he actually lost in BO5? We heard the same stories in 2021, 2022, and yet he keeps winning all the slams.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Well, if we're counting the worst slam final Djokovic in USO 21, the DC win for delpo in 11 is not far behind, is it?
how does Med have the best h2h vs djoko definitively among all the players in the draw? Rune leads djoko 2-1, alcaraz 1-0. Admittedly small sample sizes, but nothing to favour Med over them specifically vs Djoko.
Alcaraz has the mental strength/clutchness that no one else born after delpo has shown. has the best stamina among the players.
importantly he won a slam as a teen (only 2 players born in 89-99 have won 1 slam each - 2 useless gens. Alcaraz is from a different gen)
Also Djokovic is 36. didn't even make semi of even 1 CC event. Alcaraz won 2 CC events in lead up to RG - Barcelona and Madrid.
Alcaraz did beat Djokovic in Madrid last year.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Hahahahahaha!!
abmk
Bionic Poster
In 2020, Djokovic won Rome before RG
In 2021, Djokovic won Belgrade and made final of Rome before RG
In 2022, Djokovic won Rome, made semi of Madrid (losing 3rd set TB to winner Alcaraz)
In 2023, Djokovic hasn't made semi of a single clay court event out of 3 played.
see the difference?
This is not AO (where he's the top guy) or Wim (his 2nd best along with field sucking the worst)
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
He did. And yet, if 36 years old Nadal wasn't in the draw, Djokovic would have vultured another DO title. Alcaraz didn't even reach him last year. So until I see it happen, I don't trust any young player to beat Djokovic in BO5. Heard that hype with many others in the past. So far the best they did is winning 2 sets, and not even giving a fight in the other 3.
RS
Bionic Poster
Messing around but on a serious note how would it look on people's predictions? It will just make Djokovic fans point out the fact people can't predict matches and ATG's to a greater scale than before.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
But that’s kind of my exact point. Eventually the excuses run thin. If this guy is meant to be the best of the NextGen 90s cohort and a #1, shouldn’t we hold him to a standard of making Slam QFs at bare minimum?
Isn’t there a standard we can expect from top players?
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
In both 2021 and 2022 we had lots of talks about him being done during the clay season (before Rome), including from @Kralingen. Ok, so this year he lost early in Rome, that's the only real difference. Rune is also a better player than anyone he faced there last year. But I'm still waiting to see him actually get beaten in BO5.
abmk
Bionic Poster
that's not the same as saying Alcaraz will not likely even make it to the SF
while in the same breath you proclaim Med as a realistic threat in Bo5 on clay to Djokovic
you can't have it both ways.
as far as Alcaraz vs Djokovic goes, you can just say to wait and watch instead of saying Alcaraz will most likely lose and all that.
yes, Alcaraz faltered vs Zverev in RG 22 QF, but he won USO 22 after that. He played even better on clay pre-RG this year than last year.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Medvedev doesn't have the game for clay to perform consistenly. I thought people knew this could happen. One day he loses to Karatsev, another he wins Rome beating Tsitsipas and Rune. Then to Seyboth Wild. This is what happens.
I think Medvedev has set the standards for a top player well. He is winning big trophies and titles consistently.
He is a slam winner and reached an additional 3 finals, he has won Davis Cup, won 6/9 masters, won the ATP finals. Reached the pinnacle of the sport as #1. He is amongst the elite group in tennis history in terms of achievements. A loss in the 1st round won't change what he has done.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
It's still a sad indictment that he's the best player born in the 90's.
abmk
Bionic Poster
the least worst slam player or the one with the highest level among the players born in the 90s is Thiem, not Med, IMO.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But Hewitt/Roddick are still jokes, right?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Based on achievements, Med has to be the best as of now.
Still, even if we include Thiem, the situation doesn't exactly get much better.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Well he has achieved the most currently. I don't why it would be sad when he has won the things he has deservedly.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, when you compare the 90's born to other decades, it is indeed pretty sad that he's the best an entire decade could produce.
abmk
Bionic Poster
that would be most achieved, not best. best is based on level.
agree on the later part.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Thiem without a doubt has displayed a higher level than Med, but looking back it's pretty shocking how Thiem has had very few significant runs outside RG: only once did he reach at least the quarters at the AO and only twice did he go deep at the USO. No deep runs at Wimb obviously. And he's almost 30.
abmk
Bionic Poster
yeah. Thiem has reached 8 slam QFs, out of which 5 were at RG.
Med has only 6 slam QFs till now, though and he's made out to be so consistent. (he's not in slams)
Mustard
Bionic Poster
It's also shocking how Thiem never won a clay masters, how he should have won two YECs and lost both finals (to Tsitsipas and Medvedev) after seemingly doing the hard work earlier in the tournaments (beating Nadal and Djokovic). Thiem also let the 2020 Australian Open title slip through his fingers.
CoolCoolCool
Hall of Fame
It would be hard to learn from something that literally never happened (Djoker beating Raz).
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
The analysis on this forum essentially amounts to “until he loses, I won’t believe he can lose”
Riveting
This is very close to RG09 upset of Nadal by Soderling , based on what we read about Clayvedev, his impressive back to back to back wins against Zverev, Tsitsipas and Rune , how he master classed and beat everyone in sight at Rome and how he has turned into a monster
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes indeed
StefanosWillSaveTheWorld
Rookie
Conditions in paris were not going to let medvedev go far. from the first point, it didnt look like his ball was going anywhere. it was just sitting there all match. in rome, it was staying lower and the footing was chunkier so he could move better. Seyboth had all day to line everything up and looked completely comfortable all match long.
duaneeo
Legend
Yes...losing in five to a 33 year old Nadal in the 2019 USO final, in straights to a 33 year Djokovic with a muscle tear in the 2021 AO final, and in five to a rusty/recently-returned 35 year old Nadal in the 2022 AO final.
Funny that many fans are so praising of a Medvedev (who can't beat Oldalovic at the slams), yet are so dismissive of the likes of Safin/Hewitt/Roddick (because they couldn't beat peak Federer at the slams).
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Give him time
TheFifthSet
Legend
I really don’t get why you guys still try with StrongRule. Between this account and his Clarky one, it’s been 11+ years of this lol. Hundreds, if not thousands of these back-and-forths. No minds will be changed/the act won’t be dropped. Ever. Under any circumstance.
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