hewittboy
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Dont forget Simon and Monfils who are both ranked over him now too.
Richard Gasquet, most overrated player in the game?
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Dont forget Simon and Monfils who are both ranked over him now too.
ESP#1
Professional
Yet he beats these guys consistently, not bad considering the fact that they are all better than him
ESP#1
Professional
Yeah, watching Gonzo against Federer, real washed up i'll say:twisted:
julesb
Banned
I never said Gonzo was "washed up", I said Hewitt was washed up and he is. As for Gonzo I said he was in bad form in Australia and he was, which has nothing to do with any other event neccessarily.
The one thing I did say was Gonzo is no longer even really a top 10 calibre player (which he hardly ever was except briefly anyway), and taking a set off an off form Federer in one match does not change this in the least. Federer isnt the day in /day out excellent performer he once was, and in the last 2 years has been beaten by players who are not even top 30 calibre in these type of events, so taking one set off him in a random Masters series match says next to nothing.
grafselesfan
Banned
I would agree that he is. He doesnt have much to his game outside of a backhand. I doubt very much he will ever make the top 10 again.
grafselesfan
Banned
Are you blind. His forehand isnt even top 100 in the game today, and his serve isnt top 50. His volleys are good but nothing special, even Federer definitely has better volleys and Federer isnt even in the top 10 in volleys of todays players.
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
I've never heard anyone overrate Gasquet. I actually never hear anyone exaulting him at all except when it's a discussion about 1HBH's and even then it seems like Wawrinka's is better.
julesb
Banned
Please. Gasquet is hyped up as a potential slam winner, a threat to Federer's dominance a few years back, someone who is the most talented player out there whose only problem is mental game, and someone who will beat any top player when he is "on". Each of those things are pure nonsense.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
who? no one has been saying that in at least a year. fool
tacou
G.O.A.T.
he has a very good serve? and very good volleys? name ten people better. I can think of Tsonga, Radek, maybe Dent...
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
I've never heard anyone say he's a potential slam winner. I've heard that he has a lot of natural talent and that he's not living up to his potential at the moment. He is a very good tennis player, not the average shmuck some people make him out to be.
Leublu tennis
Legend
Thats funny.
grafselesfan
Banned
Players with better volleys than Gasquet: Bryan Brothers, Stepanek, Dent, Tsonga, Federer, Nalbandian, Lopez, Karlovic, Ancic, Llodra, Nestror, Paes, Mirnyi, Knowles, Santoro. Probably alot of others. His volleys are ok but nothing special at all. There is nothing special about his game apart from the backhand which still isnt the best out there but his only great weapon.
Players with better serves than Gasquet: Roddick, Guccione, Karlovic, Johansson, Federer, Dent, Fish, Djokovic, Murray, Verdasco, Monfils, Tsonga, Gonzalez, Nalbandian, Wawrinka, Cilic, Safin, Soderling, Berdych, Tursunov, Kiefer, Lopez, Ancic, Gulbis, Querrey, Ljubicic, Acasuso, Moya, Kendrick, Chardy, Isner, Del Potro, Almagro, Stepanek, Haas.
Leublu tennis
Legend
Its a dull week so we chew over some old stuff.
Leublu tennis
Legend
Not is hyped; was hyped. This is a two year old issue thats being dicussed.
grafselesfan
Banned
Last I checked players who had their greatest success in doubles were still players, and some of those I mentioned are quite good (or better) singles players. The bottom line is all those players I mentioned have better volleys than Gasquet, whether they are playing doubles or singles, so yes there are 15 or more with better volleys than Gasquet even in todays worst ever net game mens field. The fact the best volleyers in the mens game today are doubles specialist just shows how weak that part of the game for the current men has gotten, and that none of the singles players are proficient enough at that part of the game for it to be much of a weapon for them anyway.
Gasquet doesnt do so well on grass, not for a supposed top player whose best surface is grass. He has been past the round of 16 at Wimbledon once. Last year he couldnt even finish off Murray in the 4th round when Murray wasnt even that good a grass court player yet. Winning a few small tournaments and making one semifinal at Wimbledon puts him about on par with Thomas Johansson at best.
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Breaker
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Gasquet quite often approaches the net, if statistics were kept in this area I'm sure he would be very high, 15-20 approaches a set from the matches I have seen of him in the past year.
In the 5 set Gonzalez match at the Aussie Open this year the thing that kept in in the match for the most part were his net play and his serve. He is a natural at the net and quite easily surpasses Federer in that aspect at least. He is one of the true all court players in the game and probably one of the best, most consistent volleyers today. This is from watching a lot of his matches over the years and this area is one in particular that he has improved tons in.
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nikdom
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I haven't seen any threads saying "Gasquet will win the French" or "Gasquet will be the next no.1" or "Gasquet for GOAT"
So how is he overrated and why are we bashing him today?
So how is he overrated and why are we bashing him today?
thalivest
Banned
Definitely correct on all those players. I would add Blake, Troicki, Mathieu on the serve as well though, probably some others. Would add Zimonjic, Ullyet, Bhupati, Ram, and Moodie on the volleys.
MarrratSafin
Hall of Fame
julesb
Banned
Open your eyes and read some of this forum when Gasquet is about to play or in a tournament he is in and you will see for yourself. I hardly spend anytime here and even I see it. Clueless moron.
julesb
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thalivest said:Gasquet doesnt do anything better than Federer except the backhand, and even then it wouldnt be so clear if Federer were the same player as 2004-2007. I agree he is one of the most overrated players in the game, if not the most overrated. His fanboys are a joke.
I second this.
I third this.
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Tempest344
Professional
what a joke
putting a list up of players who have a better serve than gasquet
could do that for a lot of players
putting a list up of players who have a better serve than gasquet
could do that for a lot of players
hewittboy
Banned
I think that is a good accessment except you are and were wrong on Birdbrain (aka Berdych). Otherwise pretty much spot on.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
I'll ignore the fact that you listed a lot of doubles players, but Richie definitely has better volleys than Karlovic and Fed. I haven't seen Lopez volley much but they weren't anything special.
Gasquet doesn't have the best serve out there but some of the names you listed are ridiculous (Moya? come on.)
tacou
G.O.A.T.
open my eyes? Gasquet is one of my favorite players. I'm always in his match threads. no one was touting him to win AO at all. period. even when he made back to back semis at the start of the year there was no buzz whatsoever. clueless? I think not. fool.
grafselesfan
Banned
No he does not.
Neither are Richard's.
Moya has a much more lethal serve than Gasquet, even in his 30s.
Which explains your obvious bias.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
my bias? have you read any of my posts whatsoever regarding Richard? he's right now 22 in the world and that's exactly where he belongs. as of right now he is not a threat to any of the top players, so what bias are you referring to.
Richard's volleys are pretty good, you saying they aren't doesn't make it true. It's debatable, I suppose, that Federer's are better, but only in a general sense. Roger's net play this year has been terrible.
As for Moya's serve, he is 2-4 on the season so I'd like to know what matches you've seen and I'll check on the serve stats. thanks foool
tacou
G.O.A.T.
err I seriously don't understand this hostility. yes, I like Gasquet. All I'm saying is he is not overrated because no one talks about him as a contender for any title anymore. maybe even a year ago you could say he's overrated, but not now...
Anyone like to provide some quotes that they think are evidence of Gasquet being overrated? Most Gasquet fans like him because of his beautiful strokes, not because he wins, so you might here a lot of "I could watch that backhand all day", but no one's saying, "This guy's gonna win the next major. Count on it!"
And Gasquet's first serve is pretty big, definitely bigger than Wawrinka, Nalbandian (seriously?? he's got a WTA serve, and I'm a huge fan of him, too), Del Potro, etc. His second serve isn't very good, I'll give you that, but he can beef it up on the first.
And of course his volleys are good. It's hard to compare volleys between players. Players approach the net so rarely these days it's hard to quantify anything, but I'd say Gasquet is better than average.
And Gasquet's first serve is pretty big, definitely bigger than Wawrinka, Nalbandian (seriously?? he's got a WTA serve, and I'm a huge fan of him, too), Del Potro, etc. His second serve isn't very good, I'll give you that, but he can beef it up on the first.
And of course his volleys are good. It's hard to compare volleys between players. Players approach the net so rarely these days it's hard to quantify anything, but I'd say Gasquet is better than average.
S H O W S T O P P E R !
Hall of Fame
His game isn't yet developed. His backhand is great but his forehand is this awkward motion that won't help him with anytime soon. Once he develops his forehand and work a bit more on his game then he should be a solid top 10.
His forehand's pretty good when he's looking to be aggressive, but too often he falls 10 feet behind the baseline, drops it short, and gets bullied around the court. Some players can get away with this, cause they're so fast, but Gasquet doesn't have very good movement (the worst part of his game, I would say). I think if he just tried to be aggressive all the time, always looking to get to net, he'd do a lot better than he is right now. (Well, maybe not a lot better, but possibly top ten.)
thalivest
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He is turning 23 in a couple months. His game should be somewhat developed by now. Even the late blooming Federer was pretty fully developed (still with improvement left of course but the base was finally all there) a full year before this. Also that he is getting worse for awhile now makes it seem less likely he is soon going to really develop a great deal. If he were an NHL player he would already be deemed a "bust". He is the tennis equivalent of that now.
I agree he's not going to get any better. He doesn't seem to be a Nadal, always tinkering with his shots, never satisfied with how they are now. If he ever gets his head together (unlikely) or employs a different strategy (more attacking, less defense) he might be able to go up a bit in the rankings and do better against the big boys, but I certainly don't expect the sort of meteoric rise Federer had.
julesb
Banned
Problem is he needs to get better since his current game and shots are not good enough.
grafrules
Banned
The field is better than it was in 2007. So the exact same game would have less success than 2007. Anyway he had to come from 2 sets and a break down to beat Roddick in the quarters. Tremendous performance by him still no doubt, but how often would he have been able to come out of that deficit even when playing that well. So probably the same match played 5 times he loses 4 times out of 5 and does not make the semis.
PascalMariaFan
Rookie
Gasquet has already overachieved.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
err care to elaborate? over-achieve implies he's garnered more accolades than his talent merits, yet his career high lights include 2 (or 3?) AMS/1000 finals. I certainly think he has/had talent to do better than that, thus making him an underachiever.
P_Agony
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His talent, if anything, is underrated. He is, IMO, the 2nd most talented player on tour (after Federer). Aside of his beautiful backhand, he has a pretty big serve and some nice volleys. He also moves nicely on court and is very fast. His forehand is somewhat messed up at the moment, he used to hit it a lot better than he does now. Also, he lately stands way to far behind the baseline and tries to play defense and hits a lot of short balls. It doesn't suit his style I think. If he improves:
A) His tactics
B) His forehand
C) His mental game
the guy will be back in the top 10 and he has the potential of being top 5 as well.
FEDERER>buttpicker.
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gasquet is awesome. 2nd best player in da world.
grafselesfan
Banned
I disagree with almost everything you said. 2nd most talented!??! Here are players with way more talent for the modern game than Gasquet in no particular order:
Federer
Safin
Nalbandian
Verdasco
Djokovic
Nadal
Gulbis
Cilic
Murray
Tsonga
Some of those players are much bigger underachievers than Gasquet ever was.
He will never be back in the top 10 other than maybe a cup of coffee. His career has already seen its best days IMO. He hasnt shown any improvements in his game for years now, so he is at best standing still while others are moving forward.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
a lot of people confuse talent and beauty. it's impossible to say who has "more talent" other than looking at results and ranking. in my opinion, Richie's game is much prettier than Verdasco's, but clearly Fernando is the more "talented" player as of late.
as for Gasquet getting back to top 10, I wouldn't put it completely past him. he needs to really show some dedication and a willingness to retool his game, but he's got 5 or so good physical years ahead of him, so who knows?
P_Agony
Banned
With Safin and Nalbandian it's arguable. But Nadal, Verdasco, Cilic and Gulbis with more natural talent than Gasquet? A big no to that. Gasquet has more talent than all of them, but talent is not nearly enough.
Talent won't have much to do with a player's results if the player lacks other important stuff. Nadal, for example, is not as naturally talented as Gasquet, Murray, and Djokovic, but he is much better than these guys in other areas, such as fitness, mental toughness, agility.
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