Just let them have their time esp after the DC. I think Vmoronique is still in a strappy jacket somewhere.
Rafa at it again.........
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Just let them have their time esp after the DC. I think Vmoronique is still in a strappy jacket somewhere.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Ah come on. Can't be all bad. Djokovic can basically mail it in next year and still finish #1 if Nadal's request comes to fruition.
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
Takes odd-years off? You lose credibility with every post you make.
He made somewhere around 9 finals this year, including the Wimbledon and US Open finals. He lost 6 of them to one person. You're telling me that this was an off year? Had he won those 6 matches, this would have been the best year of his career, probably even one of the best ever. He played extremely well this year, maybe even his best year performance-wise.
Nadal is a late-bloomer, right? I mean, if you consider 18 to be late, then, whatever.
Djokovic is past his prime? Djokovic is younger than Nadal, yet you think Nadal is in his prime and Djokovic isn't?
Doesn't the Delpo example actually show how wrong Rafa is here? Delpo did fine with the current ranking system. He needed a year to get back, but not because he lacked protection, but because his level isn't among the best of the world again yet. He is exactly at the ranking that his game warranted over the past year.
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
I agree with you. Del Potro missed about a year, so naturally it took him a year to almost regain what he lost. Now, he's on the brink of breaking back into the top 10. This is how it should be. If we had a 2-year ranking, he might not have been knocked so far back down, but as a player, I would be frustrated trying so hard to get my ranking ahead of someone who's not even playing.
And if youre injured for two years it takes even longer to get back!
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Rommil was away from the foarum, so missed out on the whole 'mental strength', 'humour' etc stuff.
Rommil is recovering from "debilitating rest", and should be fine in a bit. Rommil, your friend sureshs has had a bad cold, you might send him a bottle of brandy
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Maybe Nadal can hang onto his #2 position. He knows he can't beat Nole. At least he can lose to Nole in finals, rather than in semis.
nadalwon2012
Banned
If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy
and you'll never hear the end of it....
aphex
Banned
If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy
What will your next username be Dullzila?
MG1
Professional
If 2 year ranking system was used then Fed had been no. 1 till wimbledon 2010 !!
niff
Legend
Murray did. Anything for his dear Rafa <3
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I don't mind that at all. This is a public forum and we all have a right to express our opinions, and so we should hear those of others too, without getting our knickers into a twist.If Nadal goes and beats Djokovic at the AO and Roland Garros next year, posts like yours are going to be crucified like crazy
Luckily, if Nole wins, you'll be here under another username, so it doesn't matter, eh NSK ?
nadalwon2012
Banned
nadalwon2012
Banned
You've lost me.
Crisstti
Legend
He's mentioned del Potro a couple times, so maybe he agrees about it? (though Rafa hasn't actually said he does).
I seem to remember Murray saying something about this...
Crisstti
Legend
I don't think he's being serious...
He would probably have done better at (some) of the slams if he hadn't had to play such high ranked players early on.
Seems like it evens out to me.
Are you sure?. Is this considering the points of both seasons as being worth the same?. Because I think that's not what's being proposed.
CDestroyer
Professional
NadalSlamKing, Bullz1lla, Nadallost2012, BeastofMallorca.
All the same massive banned troll.
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
It doesn't even out.
A ranking change would have changed the draw, and put Nole in Ralph's half. So Ralph would have got knocked out in the semis. Also no RG.
See ? Comprendo ?
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Is your crystal ball made in China ? Is it with high definition, Super amoled display ? Must be, huh.
even more so.. in a 2-year ranking delpo may have never even gotten up to where he was at the end of 09. id have to check the numbers but he may well have been ranked outside the top 10 at the USO altho he was clearly one of the best players during the 09 fall.
who knows.. he may not even have gotten to the final if he hadnt been ranked the way he was.
and now as people have already mentioned even after being out with injury for quite some time all he needed was a year of playing ok tennis and just slowly getting back his rhythm to be back at the brink of breaking back into the top 10.
what would have changed for him in a 2 year ranking? he wouldve started his comeback from somewhere well inside the top 100 instead of where he had to come back from. but whats the difference really? hes obviously not gonna play his best right away and he wont win tournaments from the start even had he still been ranked #20 or something.
so what would he have gained? i suppose hed actually rank lower right now in a 2-year ranking than he does in the 1-year ranking after the year hes had. in a 2-year ranking a player who played 2 seasons at around #20-30 would now rank above delpo since he would combine a #11 year with a year lost to injury.
who knows.. he may not even have gotten to the final if he hadnt been ranked the way he was.
and now as people have already mentioned even after being out with injury for quite some time all he needed was a year of playing ok tennis and just slowly getting back his rhythm to be back at the brink of breaking back into the top 10.
what would have changed for him in a 2 year ranking? he wouldve started his comeback from somewhere well inside the top 100 instead of where he had to come back from. but whats the difference really? hes obviously not gonna play his best right away and he wont win tournaments from the start even had he still been ranked #20 or something.
so what would he have gained? i suppose hed actually rank lower right now in a 2-year ranking than he does in the 1-year ranking after the year hes had. in a 2-year ranking a player who played 2 seasons at around #20-30 would now rank above delpo since he would combine a #11 year with a year lost to injury.
gamesetmats
New User
Here's what I feel about the golf 2-year system after following golf for some years (posted in the previous thrread):
In golf they have a 2-year ranking with a coefficient so that the points earned 18 months ago count as 0.25 of their value, 12 months ago 0.5, 6 months ago 0.75 and so on... This system is very hard to follow for an average fan and the there are constant changes in top 10 because the most recent results count as whole and leads to sudden rises in rankings every week. This has lead to a situation where you don't have a "club of top 10" but top 50. I don't know would rafa&co want to use a system with a coefficient or not but the system in golf is definitely not worth of copying.
And Tiger woods collected so many points during 07-08 that he could basically have sat out the next season an still be #1 (or at least top 5)
In golf they have a 2-year ranking with a coefficient so that the points earned 18 months ago count as 0.25 of their value, 12 months ago 0.5, 6 months ago 0.75 and so on... This system is very hard to follow for an average fan and the there are constant changes in top 10 because the most recent results count as whole and leads to sudden rises in rankings every week. This has lead to a situation where you don't have a "club of top 10" but top 50. I don't know would rafa&co want to use a system with a coefficient or not but the system in golf is definitely not worth of copying.
And Tiger woods collected so many points during 07-08 that he could basically have sat out the next season an still be #1 (or at least top 5)
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
No way Rafa would be able to understand this. Too hard for him to follow/swallow, he'd choke on this and lose mental strength trying to wrap his head around coefficients.
"For him, it's complicated" , said Tio Toni.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
nadalwon2012
Banned
It is good that Del Potro would not have risen up the rankings so fast, and fallen so fast. It makes perfect sense to have a 2-year-ranking system. It gives the ranking more credibility, because it's based on staying power.
obviously not since staying power means actually keeping your level up continuously over the course of a season and in following years.
the 2-year ranking is in fact a means of covering a lack of staying power
nadalwon2012
Banned
What does a one-year ranking do? Makes a player jump from 50 to the top 15 too quickly, based on just one slam semi. A player should have to do more than that to go from 50 to 15.
Rafa's comments are a joke. The only people that would support that plan would be players near the top of the rankings. A two year ranking system would make tennis a lot less interesting by not having much movement up and down the rankings. This is a selfish move by Rafa and I am glad Fed is looking out for the sports as a whole and not just himself.
And the humour would definitely gone from his game, alas...
So true. I doubt Rafa can add past the number of games in a set.
nadalwon2012
Banned
Anyway, bottom line is, Nadal knows a lot more about tennis and professional sport than you, me, my mom, your mum, anyone (as evidenced by his autobiography which is one of the 2 most insightful tennis autobiographies in history). So if you don't agree with Nadal's plan....it's probably because you have overlooked something.
gregor.b
Professional
And about the only words he put in that are his signature. And maybe a Vamos or 2.
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
And what would you say is the reason we should disagree with Federer's proposal? I mean, he's been on the tour longer, played more matches, older, etc. For sure he is more qualified to make these decisions, no?
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Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
With a 2 year ranking, if Djokovic decides to skip the entire 2012 season, it means Djokovic can still finish 2012 as #1 while everybody else including Nadal himself will still not get the #1 ranking. :lol:
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Deleted member 77403
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I agree with this.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
It doesn't matter cause Rafa leads the H2H.
Remember, H2H is everything.
This makes Rafa smarter, older and much more experienced.
If they modified the point structure of tournaments they could solve this problem.
Personally I think they should just double the points offered at RG so that Rafa can retain his #1 ranking that he prizes so much and be done with it.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
He's mentioned del Potro a couple times, so maybe he agrees about it? (though Rafa hasn't actually said he does).
I seem to remember Murray saying something about this...
He might have done, Murray seems a great joiner in-er whnever someone is complaining about something, he always joins in. Unless it's Federer, then he'll say "nah, isn't a problem" :lol:
Erm if you win loads of titles you should be ranked accordingly. The calendar of events is over one year and so should be the ranking.
hahaha great trolling. Federer also knows more then you my friend, and I bet Djokovic won't be wanting a 2 year system unless he starts doing really badly . And most other players probably don't want the change either. But nice try :lol:
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Even as a big Nadal fan, I say TOUGH! When it's time to decline, it's time to decline. That's what professional tennis is all about. Nadal has been in the top 5 since May 2005, so 6 and a half years, and has spent almost all of that time in the top 2 since getting there in July 2005, barring a few weeks in 2009 and much of the late winter/spring of 2010 (northern hemisphere).
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Yep, if he wants it now, he's gotta fight. Just like everyone else has had to. He better bring the heat and the passion next year.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Yes, I really hope so. He needs to knuckle down and get on with it, because every tennis player, even the greatest ones, will reach a point when they can't stay at the elite level anymore and will fall down the rankings. We saw this happen to Sampras from the start of 2001 onwards. Nadal, with his grinding of play, has done amazingly well to have stayed so high in the rankings for so long.
The problem is that he's used to being in the elite and desperately doesn't want to let that go, but it has to eventually. However, 2012 can still be an excellent year for him if he has the desire and his body holds up, so that is what he should focus on.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
I think what bothers Nadal is that it's not a Fedal show anymore. Nadal only had Federer to worry about. Now there are guys his own age who have made massive inroads and are just waiting to pounce. Djokovic is already there. Murray isn't that far behind, Del Potro and Tsonga may be close by. New rivalries have formed and it's starting to get pretty interesting now.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Exactly, he's 25, and more than capable of having a multiple slam year, especially with Wimby and Roland Garros, but Djokovic is at the HUNGRY stage and Nadal needs to get that hunger back, and enjoy the "suffering" again like he used to if he's gonna make it happen. It's all up to him, and if he has the mental energy to get that one more ball back like he used to, and make some playing style adjustments.
Thanks for telling me so. Don't forget to save me some sea snails with FedEx next day delivery service. Be safe while traveling in oversea.
Clarky21
Banned
But he's 35 in tennis years,and I don't think he has the desire,motivation,or passion to do any of the things you suggest he do. Burnout can destroy a player and that is what looks to be happening to Nadal.
tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
Bro,I really love the way always you mention words such as"fight it out","hunger"and "eye of the tiger".I have always enjoyed reading your posts..It was untill unless last year that I watched rocky on T.V and immediately became it's fan.I have seen nearly every part of rocky around two-three times.I somehow was able to associate with the hardships that I have faced in my life and really enjoyed the thrills and spills in rocky's life.
I hope rafa can get back his fire..VAMOS!!
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
The late-bloomer Nadal lost a few matches to the early-midterm bloomer Djokovic in the Nadal off odd year. Is that too much for you to grasp, you disingenuous unknowledgeable newly registered poster?
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
You know, first impressions really make or break the way you look at someone. When I made one of my first threads on this forum, you commented saying something hateful about Federer, using your signature typos and whatnot, and included something about going back to "Mumbai" or "New Delhi." Since then, I haven't been able to take any one of your posts seriously. I've never seen you actually contribute to any thread on this board. You're simply another troll.
Explain what your definition of "late-bloomer" is. I'm having a hard time seeing someone who won their first slam at age 18 a "late-bloomer."
And you're trying to tell me Nadal made a career high in finals just to go and lose them all? I have to say, that's a new one. Thanks for the laugh!
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SoBad
G.O.A.T.
I have no responsibility to cure your intellectual deficiencies, you newly registered disingenuous poster. Access to the depths of tennis knowledge of the experts is a privilege that is earned, not a birthright. Your fragrant lack of respect and communication skills leaves me no choice but to place you on my probation list. You’ll have your first chance to appeal a year from now.
Hey friend, I just commented on your thread. Often time, we post any thoughts at night here at this site. Everyone is tired and might drink a little bit while posting. I understand we are not perfect at all but deep-seated angers/resentment should let go of it once the discussion is over. While carrying those burdens with you for a long period of time, it is not good for your health at all. How about this-let's just forget about the past and expect an exciting Xmas eve and day! Happy Holidays!
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