Rafa at it again.........
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FlashFlare11
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Thank you so much! And the same to you also!
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Sorry MichaelNadal. It's NOT all up to him. :lol: The outcomes were not decided by Nadal at any point. He had to fight just to hold his serve and was lucky even to win sets at times. Nothing came easy for Nadal in the slightest this year. Not even his Monte Carlo title (being out in the heat for 3 hours against an injured Murray who decided to play at the last minute).
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
I just want to say that you are one of my favorite posters! You're optimism is awesome to read, especially after the year Rafa had. And your realism is refreshing. You just seem like a cool guy. Thanks for that!
nadalwon2012
Banned
Nadal isn't proposing the ranking changes for him anyway. By the time such a change would be enforced it would probably be after his time. Changes take so long. Or at least the changes would obviously not take affect by 2013 obviously. The changes would help Djokovic, not Nadal.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
But the main difference is, people like you and MichaelNadal, you're *tennis* fans before being Nadal fans, whereas some die-hard Nadal fans discovered tennis in 2005 or 2006 and will just as quickly turn to tap-dancing if it's what he decides to do next. They are the only ones advocating this change here, probably because they hope that this will enable him to regain the #1 ranking without having to beat Djokovic. But the game is, ultimately, greater than the players (and I mean *any* player), and we should not make concessions for anyone if they hurt the game.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
When it comes to ratings, the players are bigger than the game. The organizers want the best matches possible, the networks likewise.
When people tune into boxing, people want to see Pacquaio or Mayweather fights. They don't want to see Joe Schmuck vs Leonard Bum.
Would you rather pay $400 for a front row seat to see Federer vs Tsonga as opposed to Querry vs Dodig?
Would you wake up at 2am to see a Nadal/Murray match as opposed to a Simon/Haase match? :lol:
It's all about star power. Sports thrives from superstars.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
paulorenzo
Hall of Fame
if you play well enough get to a slam semi, you are probably more likely to be the 15th best player in the world than the 50th best player in the world. the rankings show that well.
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MichaelNadal
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nadalwon2012
Banned
Only because the rankings have convinced you that a player getting hot for 2 weeks is worthy of the top 15. 2 weeks should not count for so much. You can't prove you are top 15 just by making a grand slam semi. A draw can open up, or you can play great for 2 weeks on your favorite surface, but that doesn't prove much in the scheme of a year.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
Actually, with the current rankings, a player who is ranked #50 wouldn't make the top 20 with a GS semi (he'd be just outside). And he would deserve the big raise in rankings, too, as a GS semi is huge for someone ranked 50. Most players don't even see the second week in their whole career.
namelessone
Legend
I blame golf for getting to Rafa's head with its weird ranking system. 
Does anyone know of any sport outside of golf that has this two year system?
Does anyone know of any sport outside of golf that has this two year system?
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15_ounce
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Sebastian junior should learn how to play tennis and keep improving everyday so that he doesn't get injured and beaten up and fed gluten-free bagels and baguettes.
Slowing down the court and increasing the net's height won't help him either. My suggestion is, he should participate in the MLC Tennis Hot Shots program to strengthen his tennis fundamentals and help him to improve everyday. He'll try his best, no?
Slowing down the court and increasing the net's height won't help him either. My suggestion is, he should participate in the MLC Tennis Hot Shots program to strengthen his tennis fundamentals and help him to improve everyday. He'll try his best, no?
nadalwon2012
Banned
I blame golf for getting to Rafa's head with its weird ranking system.
Does anyone know of any sport outside of golf that has this two year system?
Cricket has a 4 year ranking system, I think. It could be 2 but I think it's 4.
DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
If it could be 2, then why do you think it's 4?
MariaRafael
Banned
Next time Nadal dares to give his opinion about something, he'll apply for a permission to the pundits in this forum. The pundits have all the democratic rights and know so much more about tennis than poor confused Nadal that Nadal should be banned from all his interviewes and press-conferences for life. TW pundits may be a worthy replacement.
SLD76
G.O.A.T.
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Deleted member 21996
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i would be satisfied with him retiring and you going away with him, but that is fine too!
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
Perhaps you meant Lap-dancing?
Crisstti
Legend
And you know that how?. The two year ranking would not help Rafa regain the Nº 1 ranking...
paulorenzo
Hall of Fame
my point is, more often than not, top players will make it to the later rounds. the semi's of slams have, for the most part, been comprised of players in the top 15 give or take some break outs/young guns doing well once in a while. in the case for a recovering former top player like JMDP making a playing well at the majors, although he may be ranked 230, if he's playing like a top player, his results will show it. therefore, his ranking will show it as well. it seems less likely to be an anomaly given he's been at the top of the game before.
btw, del potro never got hot for two weeks this whole year, he's earned his ranking back by consistently making the 3rd round or so at the majors and winning a couple 250s and consistently making it deep in smaller tourneys. he's nowhere near his top level and his ranking shows it (11,000 pts away from Djokovic).
but it would secure his #2 ranking for a while, which would mean he would'nt have to meet Djoker in the SF half the time. This whole "to protect the injured" seems bogus -- why penalize someone who takes care of the body as opposed to someone who's indiscriminate? I can understand if you get into an accident or something (even then, tough luck), but a tennis-related injury is part of the fitness equation.
In other words, Rafa should take his idea back where it came from -- his rear.
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TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Are you even aware of the fact that if there were a 2-year ranking system right now, Djokovic wouldn't even be #1?
That would be as much as an abomination as is thinkable, after his brilliant season, and enough to prove that Rafa's idea is totally, utterly HORRIBLE.
And NO, I am not a Djokovic fan.
Crisstti
Legend
That would be an incredibly pessimistic way of thinking, if would rather stay Nº 2 longer rather than try to get to Nº 1.
Injuries don't just have to do with fitness.
He would be, if the ranking being proposed is similar to the golf one, which seems to be the case (even if that wasn't the case, I think maybe he would be).
The point is Novak's spectacular year would still put him at #2 at the end of the season is absurd, which you conveniently ignore.
Tennis <> Golf. Capiche ??
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
True, we don't know the exact nature of the 2 year system, I don't know exactly how it's weighted in golf. But I'd like to see what the rankings would be, because if you have to win 3 slams and 5 masters to someone's 1 slam and 1 master just to overtake them, then that's still unfair. Djokovic deserves to be miles ahead, not sure the golf system would reflect that. I mean if he had 2 slams and 5 masters vs 1 slams and 1 master maybe he'd still be number 2 on the golf system which is still really stupid and unfair.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
That's silly, anyway. You defend titles you win on a *yearly* basis, so it stands to reason that tennis should use a one-year ranking system. Using an artificial system to give yet some more help to the top players (who are already "protected" by the seed system) is just plain wrong.
Crisstti
Legend
So what?. This is about the rankings systems.
Well, someone explained here how it works in golf... but math isn't really my strong point so I don't know how it'd be in the case you're saying, lol.
It would be the same for everyone though, so not sure we could call it unfair.
And we've already told you how absurd it is when Tiger was still ranked #1 when he won NOTHING.
Nole 3 slams >>>>> Nadal 1 slam.
Enough said !!
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Why are you even arguing about this stupid two year ranking issue? Just because Nadal is in favor of it? Nadal is not exactly Warren Buffett. What does Nadal know about business? The majority of people think it is a stupid idea and they would be correct. It won't happen in any case. It is a stupid business decision and it is unlikely that the new ATP President who supposedly handled global operations prior to his new president post, and the Board of Directors of the ATP would make changes to the current ranking system unless they are total dimwits.
Crisstti is getting annoying because she's being irrational, and I can understand it bothers you too. I try not to be harsh on her but wasn't surprise someone will eventually show up to put Crisstti in her place.
cc0509
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West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Blind devotion to one's favorite is a sad, and potentially scary, thing. If Roger wanted the 2 yr ranking system, plenty of his fans on this board, including me, would be ripping him.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Blind devotion to anybody is the most nauseating thing ever imo. Some Nadal fans take the blind devotion aspect to a new level (although I know there are some real Fed nutjobs around as well.)
Crisstti
Legend
Nadal deserves all the criticism he is getting for repeatedly proposing such a stupid idea. Even most of his reasonable fans, and not the ridiculously biased worshipping element who think that he can do no wrong, disagree with him which is good.
Either he is stupid enough to genuinely think that this system would benefit the lower ranked players who would have a much tougher time climbing the rankings, or he is just being selfish and is bitter that he lost his world no. 1 ranking and his stellar 2010 season no longer counts for anything.
I find him to be one of the most likeable 'high profile, elite' sports stars in the world, but no-one is perfect and he is dead wrong here.
Either he is stupid enough to genuinely think that this system would benefit the lower ranked players who would have a much tougher time climbing the rankings, or he is just being selfish and is bitter that he lost his world no. 1 ranking and his stellar 2010 season no longer counts for anything.
I find him to be one of the most likeable 'high profile, elite' sports stars in the world, but no-one is perfect and he is dead wrong here.
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celoft
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Clownish idea.
No I did not. TheMusicLover made A point about 2 yrs ranking is HORRIBLE because Nole would end at #2, which I agree with him. Somehow, you have no problem with Nole at #2, which everyone also disagree.
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I can't tell if Crisstti is trolling or being serious. If she keeps this up, maybe she is serious.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
@Crisstti, is Rafa's next rule change going to be the one about doing the coin toss and starting warm-up right away and not sitting on one's *ss eating an energy bar and drinking water while your opponent waits patiently at the net?
You better get your lips out of rafa @#$^.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Nadal is an idiot.
tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
Dumbo,Rafa already has 17 slams!!He can do whatever he wants.
All players come out with stupid suggestions. Back in 2007 when the previous ranking system was in place, Federer wanted the number of countable tournaments reduced from 18 to 16. He was rightly criticised for being selfish and ignoring the plight of lower ranked players who would have been adversely affected. He quickly realised his mistake and never proposed something so ridiculous again.
Nadal on the other hand hasn't learned his lesson and keeps repeating his ridiculous suggestion ad nauseam. Still hopefully he will learn eventually.
Nadal on the other hand hasn't learned his lesson and keeps repeating his ridiculous suggestion ad nauseam. Still hopefully he will learn eventually.
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