Genesis Black Magic

drakulie · Oct 5, 2012

purple-n-gold said:
so how long does it take you to snap poly jolly??

Not sure if you are making a reference to jollyroger,........ If you are, this will be the last post I respond to you. If not, my apologies.

Here is my answer:

Nostradamus said:
yea but if can keep the 4G on your racket twice as long as BM then isn't the price differential worth it ?

drakulie said:
You can't, they snap at about the same time.

As you could see above, nostradamus is saying if the 4G lasts twice as long, then the cost of it (nearly twice as much) is worth it. I stated you can't, because they snap at about the same time.

I have completed reviews on both strings, and liked both. Both strings have good attributes. However, both strings snapped between the 8-10 hour mark. The 4g did not last 18-20 hours. In fact, although it held it's initial tension better than black magic, it did in fact have a wider tension loss than the black magic, and began losing its attributes before the black magic did.

purple-n-gold · Oct 5, 2012

so is that 8 hours of drilling, hitting etc? I would imagine that would wear out the poly quicker....using one frame til the string breaks, rather than rotating sticks during match play. I know of a few people that stay with one frame til the string snaps, I have not done that since playing with gut.

I could count the times on one hand that I have actually snapped a full poly job, prefer to cut them out shortly after the snap back ceases.

drakulie · Oct 5, 2012

purple, when I playtest strings, I keep them in the frame until they snap, and only use that one frame. My playtests consists of drilling with an ex-challenger level player, and hitting with a few of the juniors and pros at the Solomon Academy as well as my wife who was an ex-top 10 junior in Poland.

As soon as I string the frame, I take a ert 300, String bed deflection (SBD) on a Babolat RDC, as well as a string meter measurement. Then repeat 24 hours later, then before and after every hit until the string breaks.

I ask for feedback from the person I'm hitting with, as well as my own experience when concluding findings on a particular string.

Hope this helps.

mikeler · Oct 6, 2012

drakulie said:
purple, when I playtest strings, I keep them in the frame until they snap, and only use that one frame. My playtests consists of drilling with an ex-challenger level player, and hitting with a few of the juniors and pros at the Solomon Academy as well as my wife who was an ex-top 10 junior in Poland.

As soon as I string the frame, I take a ert 300, String bed deflection (SBD) on a Babolat RDC, as well as a string meter measurement. Then repeat 24 hours later, then before and after every hit until the string breaks.

I ask for feedback from the person I'm hitting with, as well as my own experience when concluding findings on a particular string.

Hope this helps.

If you could only find some better competition!

Does Black Magic bleed on the ball?

purple-n-gold · Oct 6, 2012

I notice on serves the most after 3-4hr of play, just a few polys I've tried seem to still have "good life" in them after that period...so I try to use the fresher job when it comes to serves. Still though most of the guys I play with aren't snapping poly regularly, 4.5s, ex Div1 and and former college players. When someone does bust a string it's usually the guy that plays syn gut

Which string meter do you use btw, really thinking about picking up the tourna one.

Grut · Oct 8, 2012

Tanks for the answer, I will try it in 2 days.

FloridaAG · Oct 8, 2012

I am a bizarre case - and Drak knows how I play, as I use full poly, generally do not break strings and leave them in a fairly long time.

I am probably at 10-12 hours of play with Black Magic strung at 52 in my Dunlop M-Fil 200s - little drilling and mostly match play so perhaps lasting longer. I am just noticing a drop off - It also took about an hour for the string to break in to where I like it.

Power Player · Oct 8, 2012

AG, I am with you. It takes an hour to break the BM in. the first hour I was not that impressed and then the next time I hit with it, I was loving it.

It seems to me like BM is a lower powered poly that is extremely good for control. I am having serious problems picking between BM and polybreak right now. the polybreak is giving me a lot more power and I am not sure if I want that or not.

What I notice is that when it is time to hit out and end a point, the precision with BM is laserlike. With polybreak I swing real easy and massage the ball around more. Both styles of play work..it is just easier to miss long with the PB, so ill need to ramp up the tension.

I string BM at 42/40.

zapvor · Oct 8, 2012

mikeler said:
If you could only find some better competition!

Does Black Magic bleed on the ball?

haha right!

in my experience no. blizzard does though

Torres · Oct 8, 2012

No break in required for me. Its good from the word go.

Power Player · Oct 8, 2012

Torres said:
No break in required for me. Its good from the word go.

I think you are right, but what I notice is when you first come back to BM you have to adjust. Plus the string naturally will lose some tension after that first session as well. So that break in period will probably be a lot less noticeable the more I use the string.

Everything you are saying is in line with me though. I notice that you need to commit to the shots and this string is not for tentative strokes. I believe that this is a string that can die 5-6 hours, but for me it lasts 8-10. Maybe this is because I string in the low 40s.

Regardless I am going to have to simply spend time between the BM and polybreak, but I have more confidence to hit out with the BM right now. the control I have with this string is noticeably better.

I think if you use poly you should be stringing once a week. If you can not do that, dont use full poly. It is not a string that lasts forever.

Torres · Oct 9, 2012

Apart from a couple of experiments, I've been restringing around the 5-6 hour mark to maintain maximum performance. They're like F1 tires - maximum performance when fresh but not designed too last forever. I definitely notice some tension loss over a period of 8-10 days, even without a great deal of hitting, with the string bed becoming softer and more spongey, on the way to the string dying. Great performance string though.

Power Player · Oct 9, 2012

Yes. I have had mine strung for 2 weeks and used for about 5 hours. Should get 1 more session out of it. My last one was rather awesome. So much control. Love the loud pop off the bed as well.

Power Player · Oct 9, 2012

Forgot to add that the string has lost 7#s overall since coming off the stringer according to racquettune.

Power Player · Oct 11, 2012

Well I made it to 8 hours. When the string dies it seems to start vibrating a lot more. Does anyone else notice this?

It still plays pretty well for me even when it goes. It looked heavily notched when I cut it out so it was probably about to break anytime.

Stringing a new set up tonight at 44/42.

bad_call · Oct 11, 2012

PP - got 11 hrs or so on the B5E/Nvy in the yy200 and still looking good. could it be that the yy200 is easier on strings than the 4D100 ? (was getting 15 hrs or so on hartru before control faded in the 4D100).

Power Player · Oct 11, 2012

It is possible, but I seem to break them pretty fast if it is not full poly.

But yeah, if they do not break, the full poly seems to last and play well for 8-10 hours.

If I ever have to go to a softer gut setup, I would probably have to go with a tighter patterned stick though unfortunately.

Nojoke · Oct 11, 2012

Would anyone mind comparing BM to turbotwist, bhbr, and iontec? Power, spin, playabilty duration? Thanks!

3fees · Oct 13, 2012

Orion said:
What a great poly. It was easy to string and plays stiff like you expect a poly to, but this string pockets the ball really well and offers a level of comfort and control I've yet to experience in poly string.

I tried the 16g and crossed it with Gamma Synthetic 16. Very nice feel. Good touch on volleys and stiff enough to bang from the baseline.

Someone posted in another thread that a reel will retail for $85, any truth to this?

Since your into Genesis, You should give Genesis Hexonic 18L a shot,, Hexonic is a hexagonal shaped polyester string. The color is red . 18L gauge is 1.09mm,very thin and very strong string, plenty of spin.

bad_call · Oct 14, 2012

hit with PP and tried new full BM in yy200 at low 40s tension. felt boardie, lacking "dwell" but reasonably comfortable. not a string "asset" for this player's game. however the polybreak was another story and game play demonstrated the positives. PP's game play with polybreak > BM.

that said, game styles vary along with string preference benefiting each style.

zapvor · Oct 14, 2012

3fees said:
Since your into Genesis, You should give Genesis Hexonic 18L a shot,, Hexonic is a hexagonal shaped polyester string. The color is red . 18L gauge is 1.09mm,very thin and very strong string, plenty of spin.

hex is a great string. durability can be an issue though

Nojoke · Oct 15, 2012

Power Player said:
Stringing a new set up tonight at 44/42.

PP--What would suggest in a BLX 6.1 16x18? I was thinking 48/48. Don't know how that racket compares with your current stick.

Thanks.

Power Player · Oct 15, 2012

Yep that would play very nice. The 6.1 is great with poly in the 40s.

Torres · Oct 20, 2012

bad_call said:
full BM in yy200 at low 40s tension. felt boardie

That's difficult to believe. I find BM17 soft even when freshly strung at a reference tension of 52lbs CP.

Not in a million years would I describe it as anything remotely close to being 'boardy'. Is your background with alot of ultra soft strings or something? In fact, over course of a week's hitting the stringbed gets pretty spongey.

BM 17 is very much in the soft/comfortable co-poly category. Nothing like Alu, nothing like Tour Bite. It's a soft, comfortable, powerful string at mid tensions. If anything I actually yearn for a slight stiffer stringbed and less 'give' from the string, which is why my eyes are turning to BM 16.

mikeler · Oct 20, 2012

Torres said:
That's difficult to believe. I find BM17 soft even when freshly strung at a reference tension of 52lbs CP.

Not in a million years would I describe it as anything remotely close to being 'boardy'. Is your background with alot of ultra soft strings or something? In fact, over course of a week's hitting the stringbed gets pretty spongey.

BM 17 is very much in the soft/comfortable co-poly category. Nothing like Alu, nothing like Tour Bite. It's a soft, comfortable, powerful string at mid tensions. If anything I actually yearn for a slight stiffer stringbed and less 'give' from the string, which is why my eyes are turning to BM 16.

He did follow that up by saying it was reasonably comfortable.

Power Player · Oct 20, 2012

For the record i told BC.."whaaat" when he said that to me, but he and i like different polys. The one we both like is polybreak.

I have bm crossing with gut mains and it is simply awesome.

Have another half set and im thinking of crossing it with ogsm 17 in an 18x20 pattern to see wha happens.

mikeler · Oct 20, 2012

Power Player said:
For the record i told BC.."whaaat" when he said that to me, but he and i like different polys. The one we both like is polybreak.

I have bm crossing with gut mains and it is simply awesome.

Have another half set and im thinking of crossing it with ogsm 17 in an 18x20 pattern to see wha happens.

Bad_Call recommended B5E to me which I loved but my dang arm did not. I might give poly one more go in the Exo and just cut it out every week. I'm thinking Torres is onto something when he says that you can't tell when the poly goes dead in a hybrid.

Torres · Oct 20, 2012

mikeler said:
He did follow that up by saying it was reasonably comfortable.

But what he's saying doesn't make any sense as well as being contradictory. How can it possibly be boardy at 40? That's just nonsense. B5E which he recommends is noticeably stiffer, with noticeably less give to it. Does he consider that to be super, super boardy then?

mikeler · Oct 21, 2012

Torres said:
But what he's saying doesn't make any sense as well as being contradictory. How can it possibly be boardy at 40? That's just nonsense. B5E which he recommends is noticeably stiffer, with noticeably less give to it. Does he consider that to be super, super boardy then?

He's a crazy old man, just humor him.

Murray_fan1 · Oct 21, 2012

Anyone that has tried Black Magic played with Hyperion 1.24?

ushynoti · Oct 26, 2012

Has anyone used natural gut mains and Black Magic crosses in their setup? I have a Wilson Prostaff BLX 90 and was considering this blend. Thanks!

bad_call · Oct 27, 2012

Torres said:
But what he's saying doesn't make any sense as well as being contradictory. How can it possibly be boardy at 40? That's just nonsense. B5E which he recommends is noticeably stiffer, with noticeably less give to it. Does he consider that to be super, super boardy then?

nothing contradictory in what i posted. it feels boardie at the tension PP had it strung (whatever that was). not sure how fresh the BM was but it could have already died. the poly strings from G aren't known to last from my experience.

used my yy200 freshly strung with B5E/BBO at 50/48 and it felt much better (not boardie). also played superb as the opponent had increased difficulty.

bad_call · Oct 27, 2012

mikeler said:
He's a crazy old man, just humor him.

at least not a flip flopper like "that" guy.

bad_call · Oct 27, 2012

mikeler said:
Bad_Call recommended B5E to me which I loved but my dang arm did not. I might give poly one more go in the Exo and just cut it out every week. I'm thinking Torres is onto something when he says that you can't tell when the poly goes dead in a hybrid.

B5E/NVy has never hurt my arm when "dead" for as long as i've used it. that's been probably 2 years or so. that B5E hybrid starts losing control (shot placement) when time to cut out. still good for rally practice but not for competitive match play.

Power Player · Oct 27, 2012

ushynoti said:
Has anyone used natural gut mains and Black Magic crosses in their setup? I have a Wilson Prostaff BLX 90 and was considering this blend. Thanks!

Yes, it plays great.

JackB1 · Oct 27, 2012

bad_call said:
B5E/NVy has never hurt my arm when "dead" for as long as i've used it. that's been probably 2 years or so. that B5E hybrid starts losing control (shot placement) when time to cut out. still good for rally practice but not for competitive match play.

Does B5E get more powerful when it goes dead or does it just feel dead?
I also have trouble telling when the poly's dead in a hybrid.

mikeler · Oct 27, 2012

bad_call said:
at least not a flip flopper like "that" guy.

I almost e-mailed you this morning because I was disappointed with not getting a response. That guy is not a flip flopper, he is a panderer. Big difference.

lynnbart · Oct 27, 2012

I've got B5Edge in one racket strung up as a hybrid and it has been in there about 2 weeks. We are rotating sticks when hitting and it still feels good. The syn crosses are thin enough to nearly snap on their own, but it still feels nice.

bad_call · Oct 27, 2012

mikeler said:
I almost e-mailed you this morning because I was disappointed with not getting a response. That guy is not a flip flopper, he is a panderer. Big difference.

the flip flopper is the same person being filmed stating "47%...entitled". not sure if the panderer you refer is the same.

bad_call · Oct 27, 2012

JackB1 said:
Does B5E get more powerful when it goes dead or does it just feel dead?
I also have trouble telling when the poly's dead in a hybrid.

loses control as posted earlier. doesn't exhibit the dead, lifeless, arm hurting attribute.

Torres · Oct 27, 2012

B5E is deadish to begin with and definitely stiff, dead to finish. It is a string that's deceptively hard on the arm. Very little give to it. Ton of spin and grab on the ball but one dimensional playing characteristics.

BM blows it out of the water in terms of playability and performance.

bad_call · Oct 27, 2012

Torres said:
B5E is deadish to begin with and definitely stiff, dead to finish. It is a string that's deceptively hard on the arm. Very little give to it.

BM blows it out of the water in terms of playability and performance.

not for this player...but i DO like BM when my opponents use it.

ushynoti · Oct 29, 2012

Power Player said:
Yes, it plays great.

I figured it would play great, lol. But what tension do you string it at? I have been doing low tensions to test them out and so far no complaints. Do you think that stringing at 40 lbs or below for gut/poly blends will play well?

Torres · Oct 29, 2012

bad_call said:
not for this player...but i DO like BM when my opponents use it.

If you're worried about what string your opponent does or does not use, then you're already in trouble.

mikeler · Oct 29, 2012

Torres said:
If you're worried about what string your opponent does or does not use, then you're already in trouble.

My opponents shake with fear when they hear I'm trying the latest and greatest string. I get at least 4 cheap games that way.

Torres · Oct 29, 2012

mikeler said:
My opponents shake with fear when they hear I'm trying the latest and greatest string. I get at least 4 cheap games that way.

Mental midgets! Tell them that you're using a string invented by NASA next time.

mikeler · Oct 29, 2012

Torres said:
Mental midgets! Tell them that you're using a string invented by NASA next time.

I work fairly close to NASA so that is believable.

bad_call · Oct 29, 2012

Torres said:
If you're worried about what string your opponent does or does not use, then you're already in trouble.

how did u manage to interpret that? jump to conclusions often?

Torres · Oct 29, 2012

bad_call said:
how did u manage to interpret that? jump to conclusions often?

No, I just rely on your meaningless 10 minute playtest of a dead string in someone elses racquet, and inaccurate comments about it being 'boardy' at 40lbs.

bad_call · Oct 29, 2012

Torres said:
No, I just rely on your meaningless 10 minute playtest of a dead string in someone elses racquet, and inaccurate comments about it being 'boardy' at 40lbs.

awww Mitt don't worry...lol

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