Frying Pan Forehand
Rookie
It's clear that the american smurf and his potato head opponents are nothing compared to murrya and wawa.
Novak>Sampras
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Dedans Penthouse
Legend
American smurf? .... Agassi? Edberg? Becker? Courier?
Frying Pan Forehand: douchebag troll?
Frying Pan Forehand
Rookie
Eggvac Lance is better than sampras.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
What do you mean by smurf?
Are you talking about his height?
Are you talking about his height?
90's Clay
Banned
Yea Doper Nole might be better.
Non-Doper Nole can't even finish matches though
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Stop trolling bro, he's nowhere near there yet, don't know if he ever will be.
Actually, Novak retired in 2011 as many times as he did in any year prior to it (twice).
borg number one
Legend
No way is Novak Djokovic close to Pete Sampras yet. He's still a considerable distance behind players like Connors, McEnroe, and Lendl overall. Plus, Sampras performed especially great at the biggest tournament around, which is Wimbledon.
90's Clay
Banned
He will be caught up to Connors and Mac in no time though.. Reaching that level of Pete, Fed, and Nadal isn't out of the realm of possibility though if he can keep healthy.
Especially with the severe lack of depth in the game today. We dont know what Nadal will be like when he returns, he could be a mess.
Fed doesn't have a whole lot of time left. Hes declining with every year that passes. And if Murray isn't there to challenge Nole for the slams, its a walkover for Nole
Initially, I didn't think Novak could do it.. But people have to take into account there is really NO serious threats around right now outside of Murray. And possibly Fed on grass. Though one could argue that would be with a closed roof
Especially with the severe lack of depth in the game today. We dont know what Nadal will be like when he returns, he could be a mess.
Fed doesn't have a whole lot of time left. Hes declining with every year that passes. And if Murray isn't there to challenge Nole for the slams, its a walkover for Nole
Initially, I didn't think Novak could do it.. But people have to take into account there is really NO serious threats around right now outside of Murray. And possibly Fed on grass. Though one could argue that would be with a closed roof
pnoytennis
New User
he has to beat rafa's number first before he can get close to sampras.
Sampras>Nadal>Djokovic
Sampras>Nadal>Djokovic
RF20Lennon
Legend
He's 8 slams away from you making that claim. Unless he wins the french then its debateable
forzamilan90
Legend
Garbage, garbage, garbage OP. Novak needs years of more dominance to be compared to Sampras.
The Meat
Hall of Fame
Edberg, Rafter, and Safin could hang around with the top guys.
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NadalAgassi
Guest
I am a huge Sampras fan but I think both Nadal and Djokovic have a good chance of surpassing Sampras in career greatness. Nadal if he reaches 13 slams or 14 slams has a valid claim as he won on all 3 major surfaces, and many Masters titles on hard courts vs Sampras's ineptitude on clay; and while I believe Sampras is the greatest ever on grass, Nadal on clay he is the greatest player in history on any surface and the undisputed GOAT which Sampras is not on grass with Tilden, Laver, Gonzales, and Federer also contenders. Djokovic has a good chance to be a double digit slam winner who has won multiple slams at all 4 venues, and even could challenge Sampras and his 6 straight year end #1s record.
No matter what happens though I still think Sampras at his best played at the highest level ever seen on all faster courts (grass, carpet, indoor hard, fast hard courts), and until I see a player who changes my mind on that, I will continue to believe that.
No matter what happens though I still think Sampras at his best played at the highest level ever seen on all faster courts (grass, carpet, indoor hard, fast hard courts), and until I see a player who changes my mind on that, I will continue to believe that.
90's Clay
Banned
Very true..
Sampras at his best was hands down the most deadly fast court player to ever grace tennis.
Nadal doesn't have a YEC though.(Though the YEC has lost some luster and importance since Pete's day IMO), and neither Djoker or Nadal have the time on top that Pete did.
Nadal was #1 for a cup of coffee, and Nole needs some extended time at #1 as well IMO. Both guys got to #1 and didn't hold on to it very long. Pete kept that top #1 slot for 6 straight years. (and had a chance in 1999 and 2000 as well)
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NadalAgassi
Guest
Good point about Nadals lack of time at #1. I wonder how that will play against his legacy when his career is over. Nadal did spent a good portion of 4 different years ranked #1 though, ended 2 years there, so he isnt totally inept in that regard. He also spent so much time ranked #2 behind Federer and to a lesser extent Djokovic.
It will be interesting to see how Djokovic and his #1 stats wind up. I imagine they will be very impressive, whether they are Federer and Sampras level remain to be seen.
Nadal didnt win the YEC, but Sampras not winning the French is a bigger hole as a slam >> YEC, and who knows Nadal could win a YEC before he retires. Nadal at the YEC even has a better record than Sampras at the French as well. Djokovic should win all the major events in his career.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I guess you missed most of the past 10 months...won 3 MS1000's, a 17th major, ascended from #3 to #1 and in so doing eclipsed the weeks at #1 record. Some decline, no?
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Unlikely Novak will ever catch Sampras.
Frying Pan Forehand
Rookie
Likely he will get the smurf.
Let's be clear.. Having the #1 slot at the END of six consecutive years is great, but not as amazing as being at the #1 slot for an extended period of time because the latter is much harder.
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
Joker would have given Sampras a run for his money at the French Open.
Devilito
Hall of Fame
Joker would have given Sampras a run for his money at the French Open.
depends... with or without poly strings and EPO?
cknobman
Legend
Fracking bandwagoneers.
Show some respect for Sampras for crying out loud.
Once Novak gets close to Sampras in achievements then it makes sense to start these threads.
And even though I like Novak the more I watch him in these matches the more I question his "fitness". Something just does not add up how he gets better the longer the match goes vs some of these other guys. If Novak had always been this way it would be less puzzling.
Show some respect for Sampras for crying out loud.
Once Novak gets close to Sampras in achievements then it makes sense to start these threads.
And even though I like Novak the more I watch him in these matches the more I question his "fitness". Something just does not add up how he gets better the longer the match goes vs some of these other guys. If Novak had always been this way it would be less puzzling.
This is the thing that ***** me about this site. Slams is everything apparently. Even if Novak was to surpass 14 slams, would that make him a better tennis player than Sampras? It's hard to say. And impossible to argue either way. You are comparing not only players from different eras, you are comparing different eras.
Even on pure ability alone, impossible to compare. If you gave peak Sampras a racquet and told him to play Novak, and he stayed back and tried to out rally Novak, Sampras will get done like a dinner. But unlike Nadal, Murray and Federer who try to outhit this guy, Sampras is not going to stay back and grind. Who knows how the match would pan out, but I'm confident of one thing, it wouldn't be a 6 hour slugfest. For one, Sampras wouldn't last 6 hours. So he'd be trying to end the points quickly, short rallies etc, so Novak is gonna be taken right out of his comfort zone, with no opportunity to find any rythm and being constantly rushed. So it would be Sampras' agressive style vs Djok's defensive style.
This is why tennis was once a great sport, contrasting styles. Now, whoever grinds better wins.
Even on pure ability alone, impossible to compare. If you gave peak Sampras a racquet and told him to play Novak, and he stayed back and tried to out rally Novak, Sampras will get done like a dinner. But unlike Nadal, Murray and Federer who try to outhit this guy, Sampras is not going to stay back and grind. Who knows how the match would pan out, but I'm confident of one thing, it wouldn't be a 6 hour slugfest. For one, Sampras wouldn't last 6 hours. So he'd be trying to end the points quickly, short rallies etc, so Novak is gonna be taken right out of his comfort zone, with no opportunity to find any rythm and being constantly rushed. So it would be Sampras' agressive style vs Djok's defensive style.
This is why tennis was once a great sport, contrasting styles. Now, whoever grinds better wins.
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