Federer has nothing left to prove?

FedererDropShot · Jul 14, 2013

I think yes.

I mean last year, the Maestro had exceeded our expectations.

More than half of this forum probably didn't expect him to beat Novak and Andy back to back at Wimbledon 2012.

I bet most Fed fans were like ''if he wins Wimby 2012 + a Gold Medal (at least he won a Medal) at the Olympics, we'll be satisfied and won't care about his results afterwards'' but clearly, some of you aren't satisfied yet.

He surpassed Sampras' total weeks at No. 1.

The only disappointing stuff were perhaps his runner-up titles at the Olympics and WTF.

Olympics Silver Medal is still something to be proud of.
WTF runner-up is still something to be proud of.

Yes, his decline has caused some disappointing losses this year especially the 2nd round exit at Wimby2013 --> thus snapping his quarter-final streak.

But everyone is taking his greatness/consistency/longevity for granted.

This guy has been playing tennis for so many years that there's bound to be years like 2011 and 2013 where his slam performances won't be too that great.

Whether Roger wins the USO or not, I'm already satisfied as a Fed fan. If he wins, sure that'll be great but we should just appreciate his game alone for the time he has left on the ATP tour.

His time is nearly over but let's enjoy while we can.

Maybe, his next inevitable upset will be where he passes down the torch to the next player destined for greatness?

Perhaps, another 5 setter... history repeats.

Sampras lost to Federer in 5.

Federer loses to ??? in 5?

Whatever happens, he is already one definition for greatness in tennis. Even if his slam record ever gets broken... he has plenty other records....

And even if those get broken, he still represents greatness in his own way.

So let's not worry about the past or the future, enjoy the moment.

The Meat · Jul 14, 2013

1 more AO and he wins 5+ grandslams at three out of four grandslams, it would compliment his 5 years at #1(302weeks/52weeks in a year=5.8 years), and he's currently still ranked in the top 5 after 543 consecutive weeks.

5,5,5 = 3, Half Life 3 confirmed, the universe implodes.

Devilito · Jul 14, 2013

The Meat said:
1 more AO and he wins 5+ grandslams at three out of four grandslams, it would compliment his 5 years at #1(302weeks/52weeks in a year=5.8 years), and he's currently still ranked in the top 5 after 543 consecutive weeks.

5,5,5 = 3, Half Life 3 confirmed, the universe implodes.

Fed will never again beat Nadal, Djokovic or Murray at the AO so that's a lost cause. Gotta pick something a bit more realistic like maybe the US Open

clayqueen · Jul 14, 2013

The Meat said:
1 more AO and he wins 5+ grandslams at three out of four grandslams, it would compliment his 5 years at #1(302weeks/52weeks in a year=5.8 years), and he's currently still ranked in the top 5 after 543 consecutive weeks.

5,5,5 = 3, Half Life 3 confirmed, the universe implodes.

Basically, I would say Federer has nothing else to prove, except that he cannot beat Nadal on a regular basis and that is something he will regret for ever.

Federer can still beat most players regularly and it's still 50:50 him against Nole or Murray. OK, he will have the odd bad day at the office, but I see him picking up more titles.

As long as he is enjoying it and he is able to play I think he should go on playing. He is the only one who will know when to stop. He's not playing for the money, that's for sure.

Talker · Jul 14, 2013

Fed has done enough, looking at the list of records no one is really close, especially active players, in most areas.

Fed has a silver and a gold, pretty good.

90's Clay · Jul 14, 2013

Lucky for Nadal's injuries. Nadal would be sitting right on his tail at 14 or 15 slams and he would have no chance but to continue to play (unless he wants his slam record gone).

Nadal still may catch him really. (depending on what he does in the next 2 seasons or so).

its easy for Federer to gauge where he is at. Sampras didn't quite have that luxury since there was no one around him on the achievements level when he retired (so he thought his records would last a long long time). If he knew Fed would have broken his record in a few years he probably would have played on to win some more.

Depending on what Nadal does in the next season or two, Fed may have no choice but to continue on

kalyan4fedever · Jul 14, 2013

^^ It seems like you are saying federer is still playing because due to fear of nadal surpassing his 17 slams, do you know how stupid that sounds

as for the thread yes he has nothing left to prove..we have seen 10 years of genius

Chico · Jul 14, 2013

Nothing left to prove. He had plenty of success and many records he broke so far. 17 is enough. Don't be greedy.

It is time to pass the torch and spend more time with his daughters.

90's Clay · Jul 14, 2013

kalyan4fedever said:
^^ It seems like you are saying federer is still playing because due to fear of nadal surpassing his 17 slams, do you know how stupid that sounds

as for the thread yes he has nothing left to prove..we have seen 10 years of genius

Yea.. Totally stupid to think Federer doesn't want his slam record overtaken:shock: especially by a guy thats made him his whipping boy for his entire career

Chico · Jul 14, 2013

Nadal will never reach 17. Nothing to fear there.

clayqueen · Jul 14, 2013

Talker said:
Fed has done enough, looking at the list of records no one is really close, especially active players, in most areas.

Fed has a silver and a gold, pretty good.

So are we going to start adding doubles titles to singles titles?

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

Talker said:
Fed has done enough, looking at the list of records no one is really close, especially active players, in most areas.

Fed has a silver and a gold, pretty good.

He has done MORE than enough and has nothing more to prove. Before there was a lot pressure weighing on his shoulder because the world expected him to break Sampras's record and win the FO. After a few tough losses at the FO, Bud Collins said on ESPN that if Roger doesn't win the FO, he can't be ahead of Laver, and if he does win the FO, he said he'll "bow down to him". Roger was able to fulfills those goals by 2009 and many fans have accepted that he's the greatest players. Since 2009, Roger continue to move the goalposts by winning more, breaking/setting more records.

If he retire now, the standard/benchmarks has been set for present/future players to emulate.

smoledman · Jul 14, 2013

Fed is scared ****less of Nadal surpassing his slam record.

Mainad · Jul 14, 2013

In terms of accomplishments, the only thing he has yet to win is the singles gold medal at the Olympics which seems to be the main driving force for him to keep competing at least until Rio 2016. He has said so himself.

I guess the only thing he has left to prove is how long he can keep competing for the big titles at the ripe old age of 32!

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

clayqueen said:
So are we going to start adding doubles titles to singles titles?

Olympics is not like an ATP events or a slam events. It's about taking a medal home for his/her country. Whether if it's a single or double, a nation is rewarded with the same medal. Roger took home 2 medals and Nadal took home only one. Another words, history will remember that Spain got 1 medal and the Swiz got 2 medals in 2008/2012 Olympics combined.

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

smoledman said:
Fed is scared ****less of Nadal surpassing his slam record.

Nadal is behind by 5 slams, 200 weeks at #1 and 6 WTFs.

Yeah, Fed is sooooooo scare that Nadal will break all of his records.

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Jul 14, 2013

The only thing he could prove is he can beat Rafa on clay on a 5 setter, unfortunately he missed his chance in Roma 2006

Sorana fan · Jul 14, 2013

******* is dragging himself pitifully on courts and I seeing him to play for the last three years I only can think he only was a lucky player in a weak era. When the big 4 showed up, it was clear he wasnt anything special.

Now, every day he plays, more people realize

fed_da_man · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
******* is dragging himself pitifully on courts and I seeing him to play for the last three years I only can think he only was a lucky player in a weak era. When the big 4 showed up, it was clear he wasnt anything special.

Now, every day he plays, more people realize

he went 6-6 with the other big 3 in 2012 when he was 30+ years old and ended the year #2

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

fed_da_man said:
he went 6-6 with the other big 3 in 2012 when he was 30+ years old and ended the year #2

He actually reclaimed the #1 in 2012. Further proof that the field today was lucky not to meet a 2004-07 Federer.

THUNDERVOLLEY · Jul 14, 2013

kalyan4fedever said:
^^ It seems like you are saying federer is still playing because due to fear of nadal surpassing his 17 slams, do you know how stupid that sounds

We know how trollish the bolded part reads, as you are incapable of grasping the truth: Federer's majors count will be broken, and it is not impossible for Nadal to spend the next few years accomplishing that.

as for the thread yes he has nothing left to prove..we have seen 10 years of genius

...forever ankle-chained to one fluke French Open and no Grand Slam.

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
******* is dragging himself pitifully on courts and I seeing him to play for the last three years I only can think he only was a lucky player in a weak era. When the big 4 showed up, it was clear he wasnt anything special.

Now, every day he plays, more people realize

I would say the other way round. Once RFederer started to grow older i.e. went past his prime, the "big 4" showed up. If RFederer were 24-25 now, he would still be the No. 1. The current era is lucky that RFederer turned into "declinerer/*******" :twisted:

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Jul 14, 2013

*******

Russeljones · Jul 14, 2013

But he has all these important negative H2H's, how can he live with himself?

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

kalyan4fedever said:
^^ It seems like you are saying federer is still playing because due to fear of nadal surpassing his 17 slams, do you know how stupid that sounds

as for the thread yes he has nothing left to prove..we have seen 10 years of genius

QFT.
Nadal is too behind to catch Roger. It's not that he's 1 slam behind or 50 weeks #1 behind.

Saying Fed is afraid of Nadal catching his achievement is like saying Graf is afraid of Serena catching her achievement.

OKUSA · Jul 14, 2013

Russeljones said:
But he has all these important negative H2H's, how can he live with himself?

I'd rather have 17 majors and negative h2h, than 12 majors and positive h2h

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Russeljones said:
But he has all these important negative H2H's, how can he live with himself?

As if you play tennis to have +ve H2Hs and not the big titles, no? :twisted:

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

OKUSA said:
I'd rather have 17 majors and negative h2h, than 12 majors and positive h2h

But Rafa and his fans would trade Davyendo's 6-1 record on hard court for the USO and AO titles.

Sorana fan · Jul 14, 2013

fed_da_man said:
he went 6-6 with the other big 3 in 2012 when he was 30+ years old and ended the year #2

Why do you speak only about 2012?

In almost 4 years he ONLY won 1GS. He only won 1 out of last 14. That is way below average for a supposed champion.

And btw *******'s 2012 is quite suspicious...

Phoenix1983 · Jul 14, 2013

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
We know how trollish the bolded part reads, as you are incapable of grasping the truth: Federer's majors count will be broken, and it is not impossible for Nadal to spend the next few years accomplishing that.

It's not impossible but it's highly unlikely. Nadal has not won a slam off clay since 2010, and his last two Wimbledon performances, and absences from the game, hardly suggest a man who is going to dominate the majors from now on.

Then, of course, there are Federer's numerous other records which Nadal will never touch:

- 302 wks as world No 1
- 6 YEC's
- 10 straight finals, 23 straight semis, 36 straight quarters in slams

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
..forever ankle-chained to one fluke French Open and no Grand Slam.

You're very bitter about the fact that consensus opinion rates Federer as GOAT over Laver, aren't you? Thus you bring in your only get-out-of-jail card, the CYGS. Which, as I've explained previously, we cannot assume Laver would have won in this era, as he would have had to play a guy who won 95% of his matches at the FO without even being pushed to five sets.

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
And btw *******'s 2012 is quite suspicious...

Much less than RNadal's whole career :twisted:

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

Phoenix1983 said:
You're very bitter about the fact that consensus opinion rates Federer as GOAT over Laver, aren't you? Thus you bring in your only get-out-of-jail card, the CYGS. Which, as I've explained previously, we cannot assume Laver would have won in this era, as he would have had to play a guy who won 95% of his matches at the FO without even being pushed to five sets.

Reported.

Enjoy.

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Jul 14, 2013

Russeljones said:
But he has all these important negative H2H's, how can he live with himself?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorana fan · Jul 14, 2013

6-3 6-0 said:
I would say the other way round. Once RFederer started to grow older i.e. went past his prime, the "big 4" showed up. If RFederer were 24-25 now, he would still be the No. 1. The current era is lucky that RFederer turned into "declinerer/*******" :twisted:

2008 He wasnt ******* yet. He was a 26y.o. Federer.

He lost F.O. and WB. Weak era was over. He was exposed.

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Jul 14, 2013

Phoenix1983 said:
It's not impossible but it's highly unlikely. Nadal has not won a slam off clay since 2010.

seriously, can everyone stop with this bull sh *t ? a slam on clay, or a slam on grass or hardcourt is the same value, come on, dont you agree ?

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
2008 He wasnt ******* yet. He was a 26y.o. Federer.

He lost F.O. and WB. Weak era was over. He was exposed.

And at 26 yr old, he was knocked out by world no. 100 at Wimbledon whereas RNadal had to play the match of his life to take the title :lol:
At 27, he is knocked out by world no. 135, where as RFederer won the Wimbledon :lol:

What a weak era this is!

Phoenix1983 · Jul 14, 2013

tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
seriously, can everyone stop with this bull sh *t ? a slam on clay, or a slam on grass or hardcourt is the same value, come on, dont you agree ?

My point was that if he can only win the FO, he would have to win that title another six times to overtake Fed (assuming Fed wins no more slams).

Even for Rafa, that's a huge ask.

Emiliano55 · Jul 14, 2013

He had to prove he could beat Rafa in GS finals. And he failed at it. Now its kinda late.

So yeah, he will be remembered as one of the greatest, and the GOAT for many, but Rafa will always be the black hole in his career.

TMF · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
2008 He wasnt ******* yet. He was a 26y.o. Federer.

He lost F.O. and WB. Weak era was over. He was exposed.

Yes the field was so strong that past prime Roger accidently won Wimbledon and reclaimed the #1. Older Ferrer accidently made the FO final. Nadal accidently moves worse than a few years ago.

Fiji · Jul 14, 2013

I concur. Anything from now on is gravy.

Sorana fan · Jul 14, 2013

6-3 6-0 said:
And at 26 yr old, he was knocked out by world no. 100 at Wimbledon whereas RNadal had to play the match of his life to take the title :lol:
At 27, he is knocked out by world no. 135, where as RFederer won the Wimbledon :lol:

What a weak era this is!

Hadnt Nadal been injured, he'd have won 5 more GS, including last and present year. ******* has been really lucky with weak era first and Rafa inujuries later.

When he had to fight face to face, it was 20 - 10 for Nadal, a real evidence of how inferior ******* is

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Fiji said:
I concur. Anything from now on is gravy.

Agree. Anything now is just icing on the cake

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
Hadnt Nadal been injured, he'd have won 5 more GS, including last and present year. ******* has been really lucky with weak era first and Rafa inujuries later.

When he had to fight face to face, it was 20 - 10 for Nadal, a real evidence of how inferior ******* is

Like I said injury isn't other people's fault.
Similarly, if RFederer didn't have mono in 2008, he would have atleast 2 more GS in 2008 :lol:

The so called "Big 4" is extremely lucky that RFederer is way out of his prime otherwise he would have made this era look weak too :lol:

I will give you more numbers 17-12, 302-102, 6-0. Want more?

Sorana fan · Jul 14, 2013

TMF said:
Yes the field was so strong that past prime Roger accidently won Wimbledon and reclaimed the #1. Older Ferrer accidently made the FO final. Nadal accidently moves worse than a few years ago.

You just need to add up how many GS has the big4 won and how many GS Federer's rivals won in 2003-2007

It's crystal clear. There is simply no point comparing Nadal, Djokovic and Murray with Safin and the rest of the bunch

Sorana fan · Jul 14, 2013

6-3 6-0 said:
Like I said injury isn't other people's fault.
Similarly, if RFederer didn't have mono in 2008, he would have atleast 2 more GS in 2008 :lol:

Federer wouldnt have won Roland Garros in 2008 in his wettest dream. With or without a supposed "mono". He has been, is and will be COMPLETELY UNABLE to beat Rafa in Paris.

As I said in previous posts, ******* is the most overrated player EVER, a player who was lucky but eventually got exposed.

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
Federer wouldnt have won Roland Garros in 2008 in his wettest dream. With or without a supposed "mono". He has been, is and will be COMPLETELY UNABLE to beat Rafa in Paris.

As I said in previous posts, ******* is the most overrated player EVER, a player who was lucky but eventually got exposed.

I wasn't even taking the FO into account when I said that :lol:

And as I said before, players now are lucky RFederer turned into "*******" (your term) :twisted:

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

Sorana fan said:
You just need to add up how many GS has the big4 won and how many GS Federer's rivals won in 2003-2007

It's crystal clear. There is simply no point comparing Nadal, Djokovic and Murray with Safin and the rest of the bunch

MSafin, LHewitt had to deal with a prime RFederer, whereas AMurray are dealing with way past prime RFederer and RNadal. If you think these two are anywhere near their 2005-2007 (2008 for RNadal), then you are clearly delusional.

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Jul 14, 2013

6-3 6-0 said:
Like I said injury isn't other people's fault.
Similarly, if RFederer didn't have mono in 2008, he would have atleast 2 more GS in 2008 :lol:

oh really ? Federer still had the mono during the french open, and during wimbledon playing the final in each ? are you f**cking serious ? :lol: :lol:

6-3 6-0 · Jul 14, 2013

tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
oh really ? Federer still had the mono during the french open, and during wimbledon playing the final in each ? are you f**cking serious ? :lol: :lol:

Yeah, in the same way RNadal gets injured every time when he knows he will be beaten. "He never loses unless he is injured" LMAO :lol:

tipsa...don'tlikehim! · Jul 14, 2013

6-3 6-0 said:
Yeah, in the same way RNadal gets injured every time when he knows he will be beaten. "He never loses unless he is injured" LMAO :lol:

you are escaping the question, so Federer had mono all year 2008, really ? :lol: :lol:

Federer has nothing left to prove?

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