tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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i don't even think that "mono" even existed... seriously how come you reach a semi final in Australia with a mono :lol:
Federer has nothing left to prove?
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mike danny
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just like nadal got exposed in 2011 after dominating a weak field in 1
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No, I did answer you. I can't help if you are unable to get it :lol:
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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mike danny
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come on he was losing all over the place not just rafa. do you really think a healthy fed would have gotten to 10-8 in the fifth to tipsarevic of all people?
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ok, so you know that mono never existed, i agree
Just like RNadal's injuries, no?
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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Just like RNadal's injuries, no?
yes probably but i don't care about nadal anyway, the topic is about federer, no?
mike danny
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federer 2011-2012-2013 - 30,31 and 32. way past it
nadal 2011-2012-2013 - 25,26 and 27.
BIG DIFFERENCE! nadal was in his prime in that period federer not
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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djokovic beat him in straight sets, but very tight sets, it's really a lack of respect to djokovic to assume federer would have mono and compete with the serbian :-?
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Ya, but you RNadal fanboys always litter RFederer topics, no?
Seriously, I have no interest in trolling people here, but why do people bring irrelevant things into this thread? Look at my first reply to the post of the other user. *******? He has got a name!! Seriously, its you RNadal fanboys who litter these threads.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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i'm not a rafa fan boy i'm a fan of Ferrer
(and tipsarevic :lol: )
(and tipsarevic :lol: )
Chico
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This is one wise post from you.
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Chico
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i'm not a rafa fan boy i'm a fan of Ferrer
(and tipsarevic :lol: )
You jump from player to player depending on where the wind blows I guess.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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supporting Tomic and Querrey too, as well as Carlos BerlocqYou jump from player to player depending on where the wind blows I guess.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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so ... back to the topic:
Federer has nothing left to prove?
I think he has left to prove he can beat Rafael Nadal on clay, in a 5 setter.
Will he be able to do that ?
Whaat's your opinion?
Federer has nothing left to prove?
I think he has left to prove he can beat Rafael Nadal on clay, in a 5 setter.
Will he be able to do that ?
Whaat's your opinion?
cronus
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**** injury is just like the lochness monster story, it is too far from reality.
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As much as I liked him to, he will not achieve that, unfortunately!
But there's a LOT of other things that he has already proven and everything now is just icing on the cake like I said before.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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Olympics 2016, i have serious doubts about it.
I really think he shoud have played Davis cup this year when you see Wawrinka 's shape, they would have had a serious chance
I really think he shoud have played Davis cup this year when you see Wawrinka 's shape, they would have had a serious chance
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
He already has proven it.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
IMO the one thing Federer never did in his career was go into Nadal's house (RG) and beat him en route to a FO title.
But that's really, really nitpicky. Federer has by far the most complete resume of the Open era.
But that's really, really nitpicky. Federer has by far the most complete resume of the Open era.
pame
Hall of Fame
You started watching tennis when? Or do you just have a memory lapse about Fed winning Wimbledon 2006 and 2007, playing Nadal in the finals. Wut!!!
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
True. His FO skills were and remain inferior, as he could not defeat Nadal in a FO final.
Overrated for those who were living in the moment. The tide of changing ex-pro opinions (among others) illustrates that common sense is on the return path.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
The FO is only weak when Federer cannot win it. When he was treated to a fluke victory, suddenly, the event meant something....until the following year, when it was business as usual there.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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anyway i think Federer can be pretty happy, the story could have been much different, like not winning the FO and being depressed for the rest of his life...so yeah i hope he realizes how lucky he's been in year 2009
good career on the whole, he is a champion, no doubt.
good career on the whole, he is a champion, no doubt.
ScottleeSV
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No he really won't.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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exactly
and after all Nadal won the battle of surfaces in year 2007, i think that close the discussion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Biz3P9u94
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
By "consensus", I mean "general agreement", not "unanimity" - just to clarify, in case you were confused by what I meant. I can post a number of links to tennis analysts saying that Federer is GOAT, and also a number of polls on this forum to show what the more general populace think.
By the way, you're doing the exact thing you're accusing me of doing with your talk of "history" recognising Laver and the CYGS as the greatest for 44 years. Laver is considered GOAT by many because of the totality of his career (amateur slam, domination of the pros, early Open Era success, with the 1969 CYGS being his crowning glory but not the sole reason for his potential GOAThood).
Where is this "history" you speak of regarding the CYGS being the sole determinant of Laver being GOAT (and the same for Court and Graf, as you claim)? I suspect this "history" resides inside THUNDERVOLLEY's head.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
After so he made so many finals the win was bound to happen. Too bad Nadal was not good enough to face him in the final.
In the open era, no man had managed to win in a calendar year (or consecutive 12 months period) 28 matches in all four majors on three different surfaces, as TODAY's Grand Slam is.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Some always stuck with Laver as the GOAT, he is a viable GOAT candidate - but not solely for winning the 1969 CYGS as you imply.
And who considers Nadal as GOAT? McEnroe has stated that he is one of the very greatest, I don't think there are a legion claiming he is GOAT.
Yes, that's right, it's all due to multiple accounts. It couldn't possibly be that the majority of people consider Federer the GOAT.
This is all your opinion, THUNDERVOLLEY, nothing more.
You are the first person (real-world analyst or forum member) I have ever come across who has ranked the GOATs as follows:
Male
1. Laver
Female
1= Court
1= Graf
...with the sole criteria being winning the CYGS.
Do us all a favour and stop making this ridiculous pretence that winning the CYGS is the be-all and end-all of tennis history. It is a single season. There are posters in the Former Pro section who have Laver as GOAT, but because of the totality of his career. Not because of one year.
Please provide proof that they were considered GOAT solely because of that achievement, rather than just being patronising.
PS. Hardly anybody considers Court as GOAT today, so we can see how "well" her achievement of winning the CYGS has stood up!
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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"battle of the surfaces" guys!!
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Without it, where does he stand?
Again, without the Grand Slam, Laver is not the GOAT. Without the Grand Slam, Court and Graf cannot share that distinction. Without it, you have Navratilova. You have Federer. You have Sampras...all "the best of the rest," but not the GOAT. That monumental achievement is the reason anyone who won it is so celebrated.
To reiterate, Without it, where does he stand?
You must be honest about that.
In less than a month, first McEnroe selects Nadal, then Courier. This is no coincidence that Nadal--even after his early round loss at Wimbledon is still being called the GOAT by players from two different generations.
Oh sure, TW is ever-so-free of trolls using multiple accounts. Never...EVER happened here.
...and the moon wears a pair of high heels and jogs around the sun for kicks.
HINT: both situations do not exist.
Then you have confirmed what was only conjecture about you in my previous post.
Reconsider your choice of words, as its use here is inapplicable, if not flame-baiting (i.e., baiting the trolls running loose in this thread).
Hardly anybody considers Court as GOAT today, so we can see how "well" her achievement of winning the CYGS has stood up!
Here's a lesson for you: Court is in fact a GOAT, along with Graf, but her faith-based views have placed her squarely in the targeting sight of certain people with sociopolitical agendas. It is a gross misuse of position (whether pundit, ex-player, et al) to attempt to tear her apart--nevermind as a player--as a person for committing no crime.
She is not Bill Tilden.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Do not even try, as some will call you a liar, troll or any other tool of one gripped by blood hatred.
Collins is correct in not ranking Federer as GOAT. The thought is amusing for the sake of a "what if" discussion, but not logical, or historically accurate.
agree, nothing left to prove.
any federer fan who wasn't 100% satisfied after the wimbledon win + return to #1 last year and the silver medal is completely ridiculous.
I think Federer was satisfied as well, which is why we've seen the drop off happen so fast.
At this point you have to figure he's playing because he enjoys it and he's getting compensated ridiculous dough to do it regardless of his results.
any federer fan who wasn't 100% satisfied after the wimbledon win + return to #1 last year and the silver medal is completely ridiculous.
I think Federer was satisfied as well, which is why we've seen the drop off happen so fast.
At this point you have to figure he's playing because he enjoys it and he's getting compensated ridiculous dough to do it regardless of his results.
Steffi-forever
Hall of Fame
Graf and Court are my pick too. I put Graf ahead simply because Court has never defended Wimbledon meaning that she did not accomplished everything.
Graf is the only player in history of tennis (men and women) to have accomplished everything and that was before the Seles stabbing.
Steffi-forever
Hall of Fame
I love Roger's game very much, I am a big fan and will continue to support him until he retires but there's still quit a lot to prove IMO :
- He has never won the Grand Slam
- He has never defended Roland Garros
- He never won all the slams multiple time
- He never won the Davis Cup
- He never won the single Olympics gold medal.
I love him but it is what it is.
- He has never won the Grand Slam
- He has never defended Roland Garros
- He never won all the slams multiple time
- He never won the Davis Cup
- He never won the single Olympics gold medal.
I love him but it is what it is.
Thundervolley, Yes, Phoenix (born 1983) and other have insulted me because I wrote that Federer is not the GOAT...
babolat141
Rookie
I also concur that Federer has absolutely nothing left to prove that he is one of the greatest tennis players of all time. Everyone who is
nitpicking on the little numbers (only 1 French open, nadal H2H, weak era, etc.) in my opinion is missing the point of being a great tennis
champion. Even if all of his records are broken by someone at some point in time, it does not diminish what he has done for the sport. In
a time of baseline bashers, Federer raised the bar and showed the tennis world that it takes a complete tennis game to make it to the top
and he's also shown that it's possible to have style and be grinding fighter. He also is very gracious in his losses and humble in his
victories. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Federer fan and I realize that there are people and statistics that say he isn't THE GOAT, but
to say that he isn't one of them is ridiculous. I can understand that people don't like Federer and/or people think other players are better,
but to say that he isn't a great tennis champion is just silly. Federer has done more than just won the most grandslams of any male
today, he's changed the game for better and has been an incredible positive influence on tennis that no one will forget anytime soon. For
me, he's been an incredible champion to watch and he's given me an appreciation for tennis that I'll never forget. He's done more than
rewrite the record books, he has given me a passion for tennis and THAT is why he is a champion and has nothing more to prove.
nitpicking on the little numbers (only 1 French open, nadal H2H, weak era, etc.) in my opinion is missing the point of being a great tennis
champion. Even if all of his records are broken by someone at some point in time, it does not diminish what he has done for the sport. In
a time of baseline bashers, Federer raised the bar and showed the tennis world that it takes a complete tennis game to make it to the top
and he's also shown that it's possible to have style and be grinding fighter. He also is very gracious in his losses and humble in his
victories. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Federer fan and I realize that there are people and statistics that say he isn't THE GOAT, but
to say that he isn't one of them is ridiculous. I can understand that people don't like Federer and/or people think other players are better,
but to say that he isn't a great tennis champion is just silly. Federer has done more than just won the most grandslams of any male
today, he's changed the game for better and has been an incredible positive influence on tennis that no one will forget anytime soon. For
me, he's been an incredible champion to watch and he's given me an appreciation for tennis that I'll never forget. He's done more than
rewrite the record books, he has given me a passion for tennis and THAT is why he is a champion and has nothing more to prove.
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So, since we can pretty well assume none of those things are going to happen, where do we go from here?
depressed for life?
What if Murray went on some sick run where he won like the next 13 slams and thus had 3 CYGS's, defended them all multiple times, won 3 consecutive davis cups, and he already has teh singles gold.
Then he tears his ACL and is never the same.
Will you post.... well, sure, he had something to prove.. he never got to 17+ slams... he never got over 300 weeks at #1.... he never had sex with every WTA player
Define someone's career where they had nothing to prove?
Down_the_line
Legend
In Federer's mind - which is really all that matters - the only thing he has left to prove is to win an Olympic gold in singles. Other than that, he has accomplished everything he needs to and anything from here on out is gravy.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but it kind of bugs me that Federer being the GOAT is still a debate. What more do you guys want? Stuff like defending his French Open title is gravy to me. The only other thing besides winning an Olympic gold medal in singles that you could argue should be on the GOAT's resume is a Davis Cup title. You can't really fault Federer for not accomplishing that, though, because Davis Cup is a team event and he doesn't play for a talent heavy nation like Spain or France.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but it kind of bugs me that Federer being the GOAT is still a debate. What more do you guys want? Stuff like defending his French Open title is gravy to me. The only other thing besides winning an Olympic gold medal in singles that you could argue should be on the GOAT's resume is a Davis Cup title. You can't really fault Federer for not accomplishing that, though, because Davis Cup is a team event and he doesn't play for a talent heavy nation like Spain or France.
Steffi-forever
Hall of Fame
Really?
I though winning all the Grand Slam tournaments multiple times and defended them all was one of the biggest records in tennis.
The same for winning the calendar Grand Slam. :/
Down_the_line
Legend
I should clarify: those achievements are a big deal but they aren't big enough to deny Federer the GOAT status, given all that he HAS accomplished. If Federer had achieved less than he has, than things like that would probably be more significant to push him into that GOAT spot.
In short, winning the calender Grand Slam or winning every Grand Slam multiple times are significant achievements but not necessary achievements when you boast the resume that Federer does.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
That is unfortunate, as it hammers home the notion of this group being so insecure that they must attack anyone--from observer, ex-pro, the halls of history--anythingall to defend the false GOAT Federer. It is fanatical behavior to be sure, and where there is fanaticism, there can be no truth.
Down_the_line
Legend
The man in your avatar is the ONLY player I would at least consider to be the GOAT before Federer.
babolat141
Rookie
How is there no truth in 17 grand slams?
Down_the_line
Legend
I know, it's unbelievable how some people continue to try to make the argument that Federer is not the greatest ever. It's unfathomable.
If Nadal can win at least another US Open and Australian Open, get back to #1, and stay at #1 for a good long time, I'll be willing to listen to arguments in his favor.
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