I was vegan for nearly two years, lacto-ovo for another ten. I thought I was doing the right thing for my body, the animals, and the planet. Instead, it ruined my health.
Vegans/vegetarians can experience deficiencies if not conscientious about their nutrient intake. Some possbible deficiencies include vitamin B-12, iodine, calcium, DHA and other omega-3 fatty acids, as well as L-Lysine and other amino acids. There may be other as well. Note that kale is an excellent source of calcium whereas spinach might prevent the absorption of calcium.
Care to elaborate on this?
I would maintain that it is impossible for a vegetarian to get either enough healthy fats or other micronutrients critical for health.
The Weston Price Foundation has some interesting data on their website showing studies that link significantly increased miscarriage rates to plant based diets, and health challenges to infants nursing off vegan mothers.
Low fat diets are, in my opinion, insane. Our bodies are made of fat, our entire neural system is encased in fat and can only be nourished with fat-soluble nutrients. Every vegan I know has to subscribe to the "eat 5-7 small meals a day" style of eating because they no longer are programmed to burn fat for fuel, as we're designed to do. Instead they burn sugars and once they quickly exhaust their glycogen stores, they don't just want to eat, they NEED to eat. Ask a vegan to go 6-7 hours without eating. Few can do it without feeling really crappy. They're sugar adapted.
If you're fat adapted, it's no problem.
I became obese, pimply, and chronically exhausted. I developed metabolic syndrome and was this close to full-blown diabetes. Ultimately I developed Celiac disease and lost a lot of hair. (I was once famed for my waist-length, thick curls and waves.) It's been a long road back to regain my health and stunning good looks. But look at me now.
I would maintain that it is impossible for a vegetarian to get either enough healthy fats or other micronutrients critical for health.
Those vegetarian Indian populations tend to be quite rotund too. Been there, done that.
But vegetarianism is not the issue and is probably life saving for them due to the other factors.
I am not a vegetarian, BTW. But the studies out there on the benefits of vegetarianism is very hard to ignore.
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...but they take dairy, which is very different from what a vegan does to his body, the dairy helping to prevent a variety of deficiencies.
That's what I thought, too, 25 years ago.
^ Do you have sources to support that statement? It sounds like you're pulling it from your butt right there.
First, I don't care what country you're from or how you rotate your foods or cook them. There are some nutrients you simply cannot get from plants that the body needs to thrive.
Second, Ovaltine? Really? That stuff is pure garbage. Anyone who recommends that as a "supplement" instantly loses all nutritional credibility in my eyes.
here's a really interesting podcast that Dave Aprey (The "Bulletproof" guy) did with someone who was formerly a prominent person in the vegan community, and who walked away from that and realized that her diet was not a healthful one. Some good info on here:
http://podbay.fm/show/451295014/e/1375376400
I became obese, pimply, and chronically exhausted. I developed metabolic syndrome and was this close to full-blown diabetes. Ultimately I developed Celiac disease and lost a lot of hair. (I was once famed for my waist-length, thick curls and waves.) It's been a long road back to regain my health and stunning good looks. But look at me now.
Vegans/vegetarians can experience deficiencies if not conscientious about their nutrient intake. Some possbible deficiencies include vitamin B-12, iodine, calcium, DHA and other omega-3 fatty acids, as well as L-Lysine and other amino acids. There may be other as well. Note that kale is an excellent source of calcium whereas spinach might prevent the absorption of calcium.
wow! so what was your diet like? was it grain based?
p.s.. lol so you regained 'stunning' good looks too ha?
Exactly. The vegetarian / vegan lifestyle is very healthy, provided you supplement..........with bacon, pork chops, ham, steak, ribs,..........
Exactly. The vegetarian / vegan lifestyle is very healthy, provided you supplement..........with bacon, pork chops, ham, steak, ribs,..........
I did it for one semester. I always felt lethargic, so I just went back to plain vegetarian.
also it can mess up your diet. my current lady is vegan and she has some blood problems. she tried to do a blood drive and the said her iron was bad or something.
Those vegetarian Indian populations tend to be quite rotund too. Been there, done that.
Iron (Fe) deficiencies are often an issue with vegans. Vegetable sources of iron, are usually not assimilated very well. While spinach is supposed to be very high in Fe, it might not considered a great source of iron. OJ or tomatoes make increase the availability of the (non-heme) Fe in spinach. Kale is probably a better source of iron than spinach since it has much lower iron absorption-inhibiting substances such as oxalic acid.
http://vegan.com/ultimate-vegan-guide/chap5/
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vegetarian-diet/hq01596/nsectiongroup=2
http://www.livestrong.com/article/533800-does-the-oxalic-acid-in-spinach-inhibit-the-absorption-of-iron
^ However, according to the 3rd link I provided, as well as other sources, 100 mg of boiled spinach contains more Fe than 100 mg of raw spinach. And, yes, the vitamin C in OJ, tomatoes and other sources improves the availability of Fe in vegetable sources.
is the typical vegetarian diet much more healthful than the typical american diet? of course. the typical american diet is woeful.
Do many vegetarians screw up being vegetarian? Yep. the guy above who gained weight and whose skin got messed up is a prime example. Lots of junk food vegetarians out there who load up on grains, which are in my opinion fundamentally unhealthful.
That said, there is no conclusive evidence to demonstrate that saturated fat is a health risk, or that reducing it is correlated with lowered risks of heart disease and cancer.
re blood work being "fantastic", they probably loved the lipid panel, and that is one of the least relevant markers for heart disease in existence. With every passing year we are finding that cholesterol is not particularly important, but inflammatory markers are MUCH more important.
Many have made saturated fat the enemy. This, in my opinion, is a very misguided belief that has caused much damage.
If a vegan had some issues, I would assume vegan diet is to be blamed as if all vegan diets are the same...but ...
there is more to that specific vegan diet as I found in this interesting talk by Dr Michael Greger
40 Year Vegan Dies of a Heart Attack! New research on Omega-3's and B12
This is a funny thread. Lots of myths in this thread.
Vegan/ vegetarian diets are healthy. Just because people don't know what they are doing with them and eat all the wrong stuff just speaks to the execution of the diet, not the diet themselves.
From the ADA:
It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8357
Look at the paper, there are so many benefits from going veg, like lower cancer rates, obesity rates, and heart disease rates. Much better than the typical american diet:
Health Implications of Vegetarian Diets
Vegetarian diets are often associated
with a number of health advantages,
including lower blood cholesterol levels,
lower risk of heart disease, lower blood
pressure levels, and lower risk of hypertension
and type 2 diabetes. Vegetarians
tend to have a lower body mass
index (BMI) and lower overall cancer
rates. Vegetarian diets tend to be lower
in saturated fat and cholesterol, and
have higher levels of dietary fiber, magnesium
and potassium, vitamins C and
E, folate, carotenoids, flavonoids, and
other phytochemicals. These nutritional
differences may explain some of
the health advantages of those following
a varied, balanced vegetarian diet.
Is it hard? Yep. Do most people mess it up? Yep. Also it is much harder in most of the country to even find the right products to buy. You really have to be in a city. FOr instance, I just cant roll into the Safeway and get any kind of good options there....
Oh, and it works. When I applied for life insurance the guy said that my blood work was fantastic and qualified me for the best rate they had.
Good Lordy! The only oil we have been using at my place has been sunflower and earlier safflower for decades believing it was good. Which oil should one use ?Its funny because I knew almost all of this stuff though he explained the WHY which was great. Like that part about Omega 6s and the corn oil, cottonseed oil, safflower, and sunflower oil. I have known that those oils should be avoided for at least 10 years now.
Good Lordy! The only oil we have been using at my place has been sunflower and earlier safflower for decades believing it was good. Which oil should one use ?
(sorry but i can't go through some one hour video).
I think coconut oil IN MODERATION is just fine. It does contain saturated fat, but a little, like butter once in a while I think should be fine. I do agree that some other oils are a better option for daily/frequent consumption. I forgot to post the links earlier, but see these for examples of athletes that have gone vegan or vegetarian.
Joe Namath, Arian Foster, Hank Aaron, Prince Fielder, and Robert Parrish are discussed.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...other-successful-vegan-or-vegetarian-athletes
Also see this clip from Ms. Martina Navratilova:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCgh0sw4vU
9 Superstar Athletes Who Don't Eat Meat
http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eat...thletes-who-dont-eat-meat/martina-navratilova
^^ interesting list; the only two athletes on either of your lists who are STILL ACTIVE are Prince Fielder, known for his being overweight, easily injured and easily fatigued, and Tony Gonzalez, who only omitted red meat but eats chicken and fish. All the others seem to have eliminated meat after they retired from playing a sport, all well and good but hardly a testimony to veganism for an active athlete.
Sculptured by Weights and a Strict Vegan Diet
Robert Rausch for The New York Times
For some vegan bodybuilders, veganism was an attempt to improve diet and health.
By MARY PILON
Published: January 4, 2012 237 Comments
HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — Jimi Sitko gets up at 4 most mornings, works out two to four hours a day and can bench-press nearly twice his weight. He has a shaved head and a brightly colored tattoo on his left arm, and he can easily be mistaken for a Marine separated from his platoon.
Competitors like Jimi Sitko are forging a distinctive subculture of antibeef beefcakes who hope to change more of their competitors’ eating habits.
His apartment is filled with medals and trophies from bodybuilding competitions, snapshots of his tanned, rippled physique in full flex. His uniform is an assortment of sweat pants and hoodies, which he occasionally lifts when his abs look particularly fierce.
But most surprising is what is inside Sitko’s stomach: tofu, fresh greens and plant-based protein powder.
Sitko is among a niche community of vegan bodybuilders.
As the popularity of veganism has spread in recent years — fueled in part by a flurry of food-focused documentaries like “Super Size Me,” “Food, Inc.” and “Forks Over Knives” — its imprint can be seen in industries like publishing (VegNews) and fashion (hemp tote bags).
It has even entered bodybuilding, perceived by many as a population of vein-popping men and women thriving off meat and artificial enhancements. Competitors like Sitko are forging a distinctive subculture of antibeef beefcakes who hope to change more of their competitors’ eating habits.
As a vegan, Sitko, 29, does not eat meat, dairy or, he said, “anything else that comes from an animal.” As a bodybuilder, he spends hours at the gym lifting barbells, running on a treadmill and sculpturing his 5-foot-11, 180-pound body. Then he spray-tans and parades before a panel of judges in a posing suit, known in the sport as a mankini. He is preparing for a competition in March.
There is little official data on competitive bodybuilders who are vegan, though the Web site veganbodybuilding.com has more than 5,000 registered users.
Denny Kakos, the president of the International Natural Bodybuilding Association, said he had no vegan bodybuilders entering his competitions in the late 1980s and early ’90s. Today, vegans make up a sliver of the approximately 6,000 people who compete through the group each year, but they have been a steady, small presence since the 2000s, Kakos said.
“I think it’s great that there are people who are vegan and compete,” he said. “But it’s hard for bodybuilding.”
For some vegan bodybuilders, like Sitko, veganism was an attempt to improve diet and health. Others said that a vegan lifestyle reflected their personal beliefs about animal or environmental preservation. Still others regarded it as a form of rebellion against steroid culture.
“I laugh at the drug tests,” said Billy Simmonds, a vegan bodybuilder in Las Vegas. “I don’t even eat meat.”
Bodybuilders have long been known for maintaining highly restrictive diets, often low in carbohydrates and high in protein and calories, meticulously timed with arduous workout schedules. They aim to have big muscles and little fat, which may require cycles of adding weight, then chiseling away fat to make muscles pop like He-Man’s.
Nutritionists remain divided on the implications of adding vegan requirements to the already arduous bodybuilder diet, and caution that any extreme diet be undertaken with heavy research.
“Is it possible to be a good bodybuilder and be a vegan? Yes,” said Jose Antonio, the chief executive of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. “But is it ideal? No.”
Vegan bodybuilders may face challenges getting sufficient amino acids, found in meats, Antonio said, adding that although protein can be found in vegetables and nuts, they must be consumed in greater quantities to get the same amount as their counterparts in meat. “The amount of rice and beans you need to eat would fill up a Mexican restaurant,” he said.
Other nutritionists and bodybuilders have argued that a disciplined vegan diet, consisting of things like hemp-based protein supplements, peanut butter, nuts, vegetables and legumes, can yield similar, if not better, results than a meat- or dairy-filled diet. Carefully monitored, vegans can get the same amount of protein with less fat or toxins, they argue. (For a midafternoon snack, Sitko sometimes eats 10 bananas.)
The need for specific, vegan-friendly bodybuilding advice helped create the career of 31-year-old Robert Cheeke of Corvallis, Ore. He gives motivational lectures, sells vegan-themed T-shirts and gym bags and wrote a book about vegan bodybuilding that discusses how he went from 120 pounds as a teenage vegan to 195 pounds today.
Kenneth G. Williams, a 44-year-old bodybuilder in Oakland, Calif., is a vegan who has taken on traditional bodybuilders and won.
“In those days, that meant a dozen tofu dogs a day, six Clif Bars, refried beans, whatever I could eat was calories,” he said. “It worked, but it was tough on my stomach. It wasn’t healthy.”
Cheeke said he was now focused on plant-based eating, including kale, avocados, beans and spinach, much of it organically grown in his garden.
In 2003, Cheeke founded veganbodybuilding.com. The site hosts forums for vegan recipes (“Hemp-fu pudding”), strength training (“Barbell vs. Dumbbell? Pain?”) and vegan dating (closed to nonmembers).
Giacomo Marchese met Dani Taylor, a bodybuilder living near him in Massachusetts, through a “Vegan Vacation” organized through the site in July 2008. Marchese proposed last August and the two, both still vegan and still bodybuilding, are planning their wedding.
“The Web site and community of vegan bodybuilders changed my life,” Marchese said.
The site is also a place for getting advice. Before strutting before judges, some bodybuilders recommend quickly chugging an alcoholic drink or eating something sugary to make their veins — and therefore their muscles — pop.
Kenneth G. Williams, a 44-year-old bodybuilder in Oakland, Calif., is a vegan who has taken on traditional bodybuilders and won. But first, there was the stigma.
“I had buddies at the gym, they just thought I was crazy,” Williams said. “I had a great physique and they said, ‘You’re going to get skinny, sick and frail, and die.’ I wasn’t encouraged.”
In 2003, Williams became vegan. In 2004, he won his first competition.
“When they announced me as the winner, people were very happy,” Williams said. “But once the announcer mentioned I was a vegan, the claps stopped and it got so quiet in that auditorium. Right on stage, it hit me: nobody knows about this.”
Williams is now a raw vegan; he said he never heated his food above 112 degrees Fahrenheit.
“I’m no longer an athlete,” he said. “I’m a warrior now. There’s a big difference. The athletes are just out to get paid. Warriors stand for something.”
Some cricket players whose families are strict vegetarians admitted later in their career that they started eating meat to cope with the demands.
I don't think even in India which is the only country in the world (maybe apart from Nepal) which has a true vegetarian culture, professional athletes can be vegetarian. The only exceptions I know of are the Krishnan father and son and there may be a few odd ones here and there.
In the military, I know many civilian-cadre officers are vegetarian but not the men who are actually deployed. In fact, survival in the jungle by killing and eating small animals is part of their training due to the presence of forests in the border areas.