Nostradamus
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I sure hope they play Gojo in ITA indoor team championships cause it would be like Djokovic vs Nadal if they meet at ITA indoor in few weeks.
ACC tennis
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Clemson_tennis
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Too bad Stanford couldn't quite seal the deal with the Rafa Nadal commitment. He would've been a solid anchor at 3 or 4 for the Cardinal.
My observation was not meant to trigger anyone or disrespect WF Tennis. Memphis plays 4 freshman 2 juniors and 1 senior, and #2 did not play moving #7 into the #6 spot. Memphis took a match at #5 by their player who has been in the 6 slot. 2 matches were unfinished, one in the 3rd set and the other Memphis ahead and up a break. I'm guessing had Gojo & Memphis #2 played the match ups would have still been the same 3-6. For an unranked team against the #1 it was a solid effort. Better than some more experienced teams who got run out of the draw 0-2 in other regions.
Deacon Drive
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Hard to know. Wake has 7 different players they will use at 4-6 in the lineup (Melios, Solomon, Cungu, Banthia, Gadjiev, Zlobinsky, Nava) throughout the year.
Clemson_tennis
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ACC by tiers
1. Wake Forest
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. North Carolina
5. NC State
6. Florida State
7. Duke
8. Miami
9. Georgia Tech
10. Louisville
11. Clemson
12. Virginia Tech
13. Boston College
1. Wake Forest
2. Notre Dame
3. Virginia
4. North Carolina
5. NC State
6. Florida State
7. Duke
8. Miami
9. Georgia Tech
10. Louisville
11. Clemson
12. Virginia Tech
13. Boston College
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Clemson_tennis
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Notre Dame is smoking Illinois
Clemson_tennis
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And Illinois wins 4-3. Notre Dame was leading on all 6 courts into the 2nd sets.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Notle dame is fake goods. they choke
CincyIllinifan
Rookie
You’ve got to wait until the fat lady sings.
Clemson_tennis
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Haha I did wait! I wanted to say something in the first sets. I figured it was safe when Illinois hadn't pulled ahead on any court yet mid way through the 2nd sets. They waited very late to make their charge. Great comeback win on the road.
Big bounceback win for Virginia after dropping the Notre Dame match on the road a week ago.
UVa upsets #1 Wake Forest
UVa upsets #1 Wake Forest
Clemson_tennis
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It looks like ND is at the same level with those 3 right now. They beat Virginia and barely lost to Illinois, while UNC barely beat Illinois in an equally close match. The question is whether ND can keep it up all year and keep pace with those 3. As the season goes on, it is reasonable to expect ND to be more susceptible to upsets vs teams like NC State or FSU than UNC/Wake/UVA will be.
tennisfan17
Professional
got to watch Georgia Tech play live today! Had some friends from the Georgia state team playing so I went to watch 
Despite have 3 ranked players on the GT team, I wasn't impresses with most of their players other than their number 2. I don't think they will do much in the ACC this year
Despite have 3 ranked players on the GT team, I wasn't impresses with most of their players other than their number 2. I don't think they will do much in the ACC this yearjcgatennismom
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If you look at GT's teams, the roster is usually internationals plus GA players so GT is competing for the same pool of in state players as UGA. GT actually started well vs UGA 9 days ago taking 3/4 first sets in Athens and barely losing dubs points. GT has a fairly young team as two US freshmen played that match. GT has done better in recruiting game than UGA for 2019 and 2020 class at least with in state recruits; GT has a Blue chip GA player from 2019 and a top 10 IMG trained BC for 2020 class. GA has a US BC from 2019 but from Florida. What's interesting is that the midmajor team-GA State took 3 players to a couple fall Futures. GA State is one of the better midmajors outside of the American Athletic Conference which for tennis is almost like a Power conference-lot of the AAC teams could beat midtier Powers. Too bad only one out of GA State and South Alabama can make it to NCAA dance each year as both would be good teams to play as 3 seeds.got to watch Georgia Tech play live today! Had some friends from the Georgia state team playing so I went to watch
As you say, GT will have a hard time competing with UNC, UVA, ND, and Wake this year and in future even with good recruits coming in as GT can't attract the top recruits who hope to play pro. UNC, UVA, and Wake benefit from WCs to Charlottesville and Cary Challengers and Winston $25K Futures although Winston used to have two $25ks in summer but only has one in 2019 plus the Winston 250. Notre Dame can attract top US ******* and Eastern players just because ND is ND. The BBT Atlanta 250 does give one college WC usually to a GA resident who plays for UGA or GT (past recipients have included Austin Smith, Chris Eubanks, and Emil Reinberg) but a Challenger WC is more valuable as Challenger matches are winnable for collegian, much harder at 250. While Eubanks from GT is a top 200 pro now, while he was at GT, he mainly played Futures and Challengers during the summer. He only played one event during fall season of college-Champaign Challenger Nov 2016 before he turned pro in fall 2017. Other ACC schools have players playing multiple fall circuit events and even some in to January so top players will gravitate to those ACC schools instead. Best GT can hope for is middle of the ACC beating Clemson, Louisville, and BC and possibly Miami, Duke and VT, but probably only VT out of those 3.
Clemson_tennis
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Georgia Tech also usually has a pretty good Spain pipeline for players. The last really good one being Guillermo Gomez. They've been about the same level as Clemson recently, if not mildly better even though Clemson has edged them in head to head meetings the last few years. I'm looking forward to attending the GT at Clemson match on March 3.
jcgatennismom
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Yes, Tech has two guys from Spain on team-junior Carlos Divar who played a great 1st set vs UGA's Emil Reinberg (6-2) 9 days ago and had chances to win in 2 sets before losing in 2nd set tiebreak and not finishing match. GT has a Spanish freshman who I think started in January but he did not play in lineup last 3 matches after losing 1,3 at 5 vs Auburn. May take a little while for him to adjust to indoor HCs if he mainly played on clay.
Should be an interesting Clemson/GT match. Could have two Atlantans facing each other at 6-Gandolfo vs Agee. They haven't played each other since 2014 as Agee did the jr ITF Caribbean/Mexico route in HS instead of USTA sectionals/nationals. Good to see Clemson finally nabbed a good SC native in Jahn who was great in dubs.
SC may be edging GA in junior tennis; for the first time in 26 years, SC won the Southern Junior Cup in Sept 2018. GA had won for 25 years straight before last fall. SC won all the mixed and had a slight edge at singles to win but GA and SC were split at dubs. Lots of talent in the coastal area plus Greenville/Spartanburg surprisingly... Since 14/16/18s play it may bode well for SC's future and USC/Clemson too; however, you can't put a lot of stock in mixed. NC always come in 3rd with the other 6 states unlikely to break the top 3. Mixed is fun though-remember one of the ladies acing a guy who now plays in the lineup for a SEC team.
tennisfan17
Professional
GA State honestly is a very good team. They have solid players all in the top 4, with only questionable players at 5 and 6 position. Their doubles is also very suspect at times. As far as GT, they have a very good shot at finishing in the middle of the pack for ACC.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Does Virginia have a prayer against the Cardinal ?? We will see. Go Card, it is time for revenge for that NCAA semifinal loss years ago. Alex will be pulling for the Card for sure.
Clemson_tennis
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One of the most underrated players in the country has to be Lucas Poullain of Florida State. He has a record of 30-1 in dual matches over the past 2 seasons (24-1 last year and 6-0 so far this season). That's an insane record, especially in a power conference, no matter what position in the lineup you are playing.
Clemson_tennis
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Real heartbreaker for Georgia Tech today. The worst type of heartbreaking loss possible in college tennis, missing a chance to upset a higher ranked team. Beating #26 Tennessee would have been huge for GT. According to GT tennis twitter, Divar and Li both led 5-4 in the 3rd set at the same time (no indication of who was serving on each court). A little while later they confirmed hat Li dropped his 3rd set 7-5 to give the match to Tennessee.
Clemson_tennis
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And GT follows it up with huge win. Big 4-3 upset over Florida State. Colossal effort from Carlos Divar at 1 to rally from a set down against the near unbeatable Poullain to get the clincher.
Hokiein304
New User
Go Hokies! As long as we don't finish dead last in the ACC, I'll call it a successful season.
Clemson_tennis
Legend
This does look to be a down year for the Hokies. You guys had a pretty decent effort vs Wake though. Forcing four 3 set matches in singles. You'll probably sneak a couple wins in the ACC season.
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It was a great win by Carlos. Poullain appeared to be injured around 2-2 in the final set as he kept pulling up lame on his right leg after almost every serve. It might have been pyschological. Even with that, you could see that he was out of gas and Divar just kept grinding. Also, ridiculous props to the Jackets in doubles and Cole Gromley in singles. They played the best doubles I've seen them play collectively in a long time. In singles, Gromley looked down and out after losing the 1st set and had to have treatment on his left foot for a massive cut. Probably a blister that finally gave way. But after treatment, it was all Gromley.
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Despite being composed of almost entirely juniors and seniors, Duke on solid pace to miss the NCAA tourney again. They haven’t won a NCAA tourney match since 2015. Fire. Ramsey. Smith. I don’t care what his recruiting class looks like next year. This program is a dumpster fire.
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Clemson_tennis
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The recruiting class coming loses some of its luster when you realize that the current team is made up of what was once a highly touted class as well. The program certainly much below the early 2010s standard when Duke was the top ACC challenger to the Virginia powerhouse. Right now Duke is very far behind Wake, Virginia and UNC and in a middling group with the rest of the league.
And the standard before that in the years of Smith himself as a player, then King, Yani etc was winning the ACC every year
I’m fine with not getting back to that standard - UVA certainly built a monster of a program, and now WF has as well - domination is never going to be realistic again
But recruiting to Duke for preppy sports like tennis, soccer, lacrosse is not hard, at all - if you’re not in the top 10-15 every year, it’s time to go
Ramsey has fallen so far below that acceptable standard for several years in a row that it’s becoming insane that he’s still there - Stanford has reaped the benefits of cutting the cord with a prior, failed coach - it’s time for Duke to do the same
I’m fine with not getting back to that standard - UVA certainly built a monster of a program, and now WF has as well - domination is never going to be realistic again
But recruiting to Duke for preppy sports like tennis, soccer, lacrosse is not hard, at all - if you’re not in the top 10-15 every year, it’s time to go
Ramsey has fallen so far below that acceptable standard for several years in a row that it’s becoming insane that he’s still there - Stanford has reaped the benefits of cutting the cord with a prior, failed coach - it’s time for Duke to do the same
Clemson_tennis
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Pretty poor loss for Duke at Virginia Tech. Got dominated on courts 1-3
Ramsey will probably get a raise
Matthew Lee
Professional
Wake Forest takes a loss to Florida. Chrysochos also lost to Crawford at 1.
Deacon Drive
Rookie
Petros had won 20 or so straight matches. It went to a 3rd set 10-point tiebreaker (dual match was already decided). Petros was up 8-6 and Oliver made a questionable call on a Petros winner down the line. There was a lot of "discussion" and then Oliver won the final 3 points to win it.
Clemson Tennis - When are we going to get a decent women's coach at Clemson. No reason they shouldn't be able to compete for an ACC championship, especially now with those top facilities.
They appear to get worse and worse each and every year. Kennedy hasn't been a factor since recruiting become electronic.
They appear to get worse and worse each and every year. Kennedy hasn't been a factor since recruiting become electronic.
Lol, biased a bit
Petros got overruled the prior point on his horrendous call - oliver’s call was close and not overruled
In addition to getting outplayed, WF tried to hook like it was their job all day - starting with the second point on ct 4 and ending w Petros in the TB - a combination of desperate times and the morals of their coach - their best cheater Gojo wasn’t even there and they still racked up half a dozen singles overrules
Nothing changed at WF since Gojo’s famous hook in NCAAs last year, still a team that shrinks the court more than any other, respect for the game be damned
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Deacon Drive
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That escalated quickly.
Oliver's call was obviously at a key point in the third set tie break, and was pretty bad on video replay. But whatever, bad calls happen. I've watched Wake play a ton of top teams - they have no more overrules than any other team and call it the same way as everyone else. You're just putting a target on Wake because they're the defending champs. Not to mention that Petros won the regional sportsmanship award last year...
Well, I do regret ‘idiot’, thus my edit
But calling out Oliver for a close call that wasn’t overruled is rich coming from wake forest, especially when Petros did obviously hook and got overruled 60 seconds earlier!
Selective memory, I guess
speaking of things that look pretty bad on vieo replay, recall the call that half the pro tennis community commented on last year?
and no, i put a target on wake's back because they cheat like crazy / bresky acts like a deranged lunatic whose dog just got shot any time someone dares overrule one of his players that attempted to call a ball out that was 6 inches in, and then you guys dare ignore your own overrules in the same TB and call out others
i can deal with great programs, i was on this board as a duke fan for years watching them get bludgeoned by uva year after year, without ever saying anything about calls made by that team - wake is simply different out there, way less respect for their opponents and the game
and no, i put a target on wake's back because they cheat like crazy / bresky acts like a deranged lunatic whose dog just got shot any time someone dares overrule one of his players that attempted to call a ball out that was 6 inches in, and then you guys dare ignore your own overrules in the same TB and call out others
i can deal with great programs, i was on this board as a duke fan for years watching them get bludgeoned by uva year after year, without ever saying anything about calls made by that team - wake is simply different out there, way less respect for their opponents and the game
Deacon Drive
Rookie
I'm not sure the point you're referring to; was it a serve up the T? If so, you couldn't see that on the camera because it was the far side, but Petros seemed pretty upset at the overrule. I think it's been well over a year since I've seen Petros overruled - he calls it cleaner than almost everyone.
yes a serve up the T, and it wasn't close - one of those calls where everyone in the stands stood up / raised their arms at the same time, and an instant overrule - maybe a call that a lot of college players would have tried to make at that point in the match...still, i'm just saying wake is in no position to yell about calls, in that TB specifically, or generally
Deacon Drive
Rookie
That's a bad call by Gojo. At the same time that was occurring, Torp had a bad call against Petros that was also captured on video. I wish I had video of Oliver's call for you from yesterday. As I said earlier, they happen. And they happen to the top teams with similar frequency. Trying to call out Wake when they have one of the most respected players on any team (Petros) seems odd.
jcgatennismom
Hall of Fame
GT with a big upset at home vs UNC winning 4-3 even with one of Tech's regulars Gromley out of lineup. Not sure if he was ill or injured. Tech lost dubs so won 4 singles lines beating Sigouin, Peck, Boyden, and Soendergaard. If GT plays this well, they have a good shot vs Duke on Sunday.
jerryjones1960
Rookie
I was at the match and we played great singles. 3-6 we crushed Wake. I'm sure if we played at their place without Oli and they had Gojo it would be different but who cares we got the win. Crowd was fantastic, we were all over them. Welcome to the Gator fan club MikeJ, but to fair I thought the Wake guys were all fine with their calls. We had the homer refs going. In the last match Oli did make a really bad call ball was inside the line but that's sport. He was 8-6 down and took a chance a didn't get overruled and then the Wake guy melted down. Go Gators
fair enough, we saw things differently
their #4 got overruled in the very first game, point two or three, on an insane call - jo hit a groundstroke on / inside the baseline - overruled, no argument from the player
their #5 got overruled on one of lukas's winner first serves at 5-4 in the first set, forget if it was 40-30 or 40-40, again corner of the box nowhere near the outside of a line, overruled
their #3 got overruled when sam hit a big passing shot on, i think, the 40-40 point to decide whether it was 5-2 or 4-3 in the second set, didn't have a good angle on this one but the reaction of the crowd told you what you needed to know about this call
and again, petros overruled less than 60 seconds before the call by oliver in question
if oliver got away with one (i'm not convinced that call was obvious one way or the other), well, WF had it coming - and again, team match was over at this point
the only matches where WF didn't get overruled in singles, to my knowledge, were the blowouts - #2 and #6 - and i had a great view of 3 of the 4 calls, which were all insane attempts to get away with something, especially the very first game on #4
anyway, that's my last post on this topic, great play by UF this whole week, proud to be a Gator now
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Clemson_tennis
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What a wild day in the ACC yesterday.
Georgia Tech with the STUNNER over North Carolina. And that's even with Sigouin in the lineup.
Giani Ross rallied from 1-6 1-4 down vs Barkai of NC State to give the Cavs a critical point and to help stave off the Wolfpack upset bid. Nakashima won a 3rd set breaker.
Miami joined GT on the upset brigade by knocking off Notre Dame.
Georgia Tech with the STUNNER over North Carolina. And that's even with Sigouin in the lineup.
Giani Ross rallied from 1-6 1-4 down vs Barkai of NC State to give the Cavs a critical point and to help stave off the Wolfpack upset bid. Nakashima won a 3rd set breaker.
Miami joined GT on the upset brigade by knocking off Notre Dame.
Deacon Drive
Rookie
This is a great post, and you're correct, the Gators crushed Wake at 3-6.
optimaltennis
Rookie
Forgot to add Duke with a routine 4-0 over Clemson
Clemson_tennis
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there was nothing wild about that nor about Wake's win over Louisville. Also I'm going to do a post about the Duke loss in the Clemson thread.
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jcgatennismom
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Why didnt ND play their two ITA ranked singles players Lebedev and Ciamarra vs Miami? Are they injured or did ND think they could beat Miami sitting out their top 2 and letting a few guys from the bench play? If the latter, ND was overconfident. The GT win was a great one because UNC did play their top of the lineup and still lost. Not sure why UNC did not have Mac Kiger in at 6. I bet ND will have a different lineup vs FL State on Sunday...
What are GT's chances vs Duke on Sunday? Duke's been on a decline but did beat Clemson, but with GT on an upswing could mean another ACC win for the Jackets.
jcgatennismom
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Tech wins vs Duke going 2-0 in ACC this weekend. Schelcher clinches again come from 1-4 behind in 3rd set to win long TB-think it was 11-9 or 12-10. Duke was up 3-1 an hour ago...
