terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
Crazy WTF.
Maybe Nadal winning it all comes next.
Maybe Nadal winning it all comes next.
Who could have predicted Novak would be 1-2 in RR ?
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Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
The bigger question is:
Does the WTF get elevated past exhibition status if Nadal wins the event ?
Does the WTF get elevated past exhibition status if Nadal wins the event ?
Just make WTF a knock out tourney.
Rafa24
Hall of Fame
no. the fact med can go 1-2 in round robin and make the semis is proof it's a joke.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
I hope you're right! I've been pulling for him to win this tournament since 2008. Would love to see him finally get it.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Jk, mad props to Ol' Rog today, and to Timmy for winning the match of the year outside of the slems
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I thought Novak was winning this YEC easily and thought he had YE #1 sewn up.
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TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
Even bigger joke is when you take what you said into account and realise Rafa still hasn’t won it.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
TheIntrovert
Hall of Fame
A) Rafa
B) he has also played several iterations
C
Chadalina
Guest
Going 1-2 in the round robin and earning #1 is really funny as well
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Has Djokovic done well at the WTF ever since they sped it up a little?
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
As Cahill said today, "this court is faster than Wimbledon, so Roger has his chances. It's a pity the surfaces slowed down on most of the courts, it's hurt Federer the most." (P-Mac: "I won't argue that one, Killer.")Has Djokovic done well at the WTF ever since they sped it up a little?
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Novak got Thieminated and FedEx Delivery shipped out the remains.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I was more interested if anyone else has noticed that trend. As for the other stuff, Federer's game is now most effective on low-bouncing medium to medium slightly fast courts. Superfast courts don't suit him anymore due to his age, so I take it Cahill was making a retrospective comment on the last decade or so.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
He cares but doesn't prioritize it? How much does he care?
The second point was lost on you
They tried that in 1982 to 1985 and then gave up on that idea.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Not even I had this in the cards. I'm pretty sure based on his poor serve points won numbers against Federer that Nole's serve arm may be short circuiting. Rather amazing given the serving clinic he gave in Paris.
Looked like his serve fell off in the first set of the Thiem match. Listening to his press conference he noted it, but did not blame it for the match. Will be interesting to see how Davis Cup Finals in Madrid go for him.
Fiero425
Legend
Yeah, that was a colossal mistake by the ATP! I can still remember the Grand Slam Cup which was lame as well, but can't recall any matches! It seemed as if Becker and Graf owned that era with 6 major events in their country along with a YEC called the GSC! The US only had 8 with the USO and that disparity had to change! It's not that surprising the elites are having more trouble with the NG'rs! Nadal should be on his way back on his honeymoon if not for the colossal "choke" of Medvedev! I can't imagine Nadal putting forth a lot of effort now that Nole's been eliminated! His #1 YE ranking is secure until the AO anyway!
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Ya, no one predicted Berrettini would lose to this clown
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
One always looks like a beast playing Berretini.
The Novak of today was a shadow of the past. Wonder why he never had one of those days @ USO 10, USO 11, Wimb 14, Wimb 15, USO 15, AO 16 or Wimb 19
Fiero425
Legend
Ya can't win 'em all! He had an opportunity, but couldn't take advantage of it! A couple errors in the match with Thiem may have made all the difference! Who knows?
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Thiem lost two of three to Berrettini this autumn and had to go three to do that. I think the moment caught up with the Italian...his first year making a slam run and now qualifying for WTF.
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
I don't think so, he would have to win it 5 times for that to happen
In all seriousness, there are still several things to be changed in the tournament. regardless of who wins. Why having RRs if you play only three matches in the group?
I don't think so, he would have to win it 5 times for that to happen
In all seriousness, there are still several things to be changed in the tournament. regardless of who wins. Why having RRs if you play only three matches in the group?
... Because it's the only way to guarantee at least 3 top 10 opponents in any tournament. That's kind of the point ...
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
How the mighty were brought down in the span of 5 days...
Rewind back to Sunday when Thiem barely scraped past Fed and Djokovic thumping Berretini... And Fed fast surface peak was a myth and Novak was a lock for 6th YEC..
Rewind back to Sunday when Thiem barely scraped past Fed and Djokovic thumping Berretini... And Fed fast surface peak was a myth and Novak was a lock for 6th YEC..
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Deleted member 763691
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Rafa won't even have to lift a finger if Djokovic loses to Thiem and Federer, because Djokovic won't even make the SF
Bud
Bionic Poster
Agreed. Change it to the same format as the NextGen... BO5, no Ad, first to 4 - with the machine line calling
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Deleted member 763691
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But does hardcourt count?
Clay and grass has been around forever.
Hardcourt, not so much
Heck, hardcourt didn't even have a slam until recent decades....
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
But why 3?
Why not 4?
Or even 5?
Still, only the top 2 of each group would pass to the next round and battle it out in SF's and in Finals.
With a 5 people group, you would have a true top ten tournament, not just top 8, if you like the number 10 more.
But why even top 10? The idea of RR's in any sport (as I see it), is to have more and more games to avoid luck from having a lot of importance, if a great player or team loses a match because of a fluke they aren't out but can still prove they are worth it. Imagine Federer losing his third match because of a tiebreak in a KO tournament when you know he could still win the rest of his matches if it were a RR one.
And luck loses importance as more matches and more matches are played in a RR format, I like RR, it's just that 3 RR matches it's still too few, if they are going to have RR they should play more matches. I think this tournament is worth 1500 points, but it only takes the winner 5 matches to be champion!! It's almost a grandslam (pointwise) but you play fewer games than in Indian Wells. This would create scheduling problems because a 5 people group (or a 6 people group) isn't a power of 2, but if it's an important tournament it shouldn't shy away from scheduling more games as grandslams manage to do with 128 players playing.
I would like it more that way, more fair in my opinion. And at least we wouldn't have the possibility of someone being #1 in a group with only one match won.
I like the round robin. You can see Federer has gotten better by the match. If he got knocked out after playing Theim we would have missed out on the Djokovic/Federer match. And Sampras would have zero WTF's, because he lost in the round robin in all 5 of his WTF wins. Obviously he was playing well enough to go on to win all 5 of the tournaments!Yeah, that was a colossal mistake by the ATP! I can still remember the Grand Slam Cup which was lame as well, but can't recall any matches! It seemed as if Becker and Graf owned that era with 6 major events in their country along with a YEC called the GSC! The US only had 8 with the USO and that disparity had to change! It's not that surprising the elites are having more trouble with the NG'rs! Nadal should be on his way back on his honeymoon if not for the colossal "choke" of Medvedev! I can't imagine Nadal putting forth a lot of effort now that Nole's been eliminated! His #1 YE ranking is secure until the AO anyway!
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Format is great. It is different and unique. We don’t need the same type of tourneys at every corner, and we don’t need any other players past 8. If you have a problem with not making the SF because of going 2-1, then don’t lose. @Centrius want it to be knockout, well it could be for some, as someone is likely to go 2-1 and still not make the SF.
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
I see, but I fundamentally disagree, I at least would enjoy it with more players keeping the RR format.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I think Novak's personal trash can drummer was feeling the heat this week and quit. Now he doesn't know when serves are going wide or T.
Record before Houston got busted: 1-0
Record after Houston got busted: 0-2
#WakeUpSheeple
Record before Houston got busted: 1-0
Record after Houston got busted: 0-2
#WakeUpSheeple
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
How does this correlate to being a Fed fan? Does Djoker not have 5 of these? I like Rafa and he has zero. Your comment makes zero sense.Fed fans never fail to deliver.
You like Fred more.Don't you?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
What does that have to do with my comments? Do I like Djoker? No. But not everything has to do with him or even Fed. The format has helped Djoker more than it has helped Fed. Fed beat Djoker in the RR a few years ago and then lost to him in the finals...
Standaa
G.O.A.T.
Everyone on this Forum makes wrong predictions all the time, it's inevitable. I never understand why those on the winning side have to make posts like this instead of celebrating like crazy today. They were wrong in their predictions and their guy lost, isn't that sufficient?
Why you don't want the knock out format then?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Because I like variety, and like the idea of players playing the same opponents but being able to compare them since they play the same draw, and I like the idea of players playing twice in the same tourney. It adds a different feel to it. How often do players play each other twice in the same tourney? Only at WTF. For me, it is simply different, and I like that.
Fair points but I don't like the idea of a tourney champ that lost not one but even two matches.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Neither do I. But it happens when you play 5 top 8 players in a weeks time. I can accept one loss, but 2 is not acceptable. But has that happened?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Novak got Thieminated and FedEx Delivery shipped out the remains.
Yeah really we are all lucky Thiem eeked out a miracle
Feather
Legend
Do you know that the most followed sport in the world, Football, has round robin in the World Cup tournament? In Euro tournament? Cricket World Cup also has round robin. It doesn't make those events less precious.
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ghostofMecir
Legend
Also the biggest reason why Rafito hasn’t won this event.
yokied
Hall of Fame
This looks like a helluva theory. Care to elaborate?
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