Andy Murray vs Carlos Alcaraz Wimbledon

[nolefam_2024]

Andy Murray played at peak of his powers in Wimbledon from 2009 to 2016. He won 2 Wimbledons, 1 OG, reached another final and countless semifinals.

Carlos Alcaraz is very raw talent who can play a variety of shots. He won Wimbledon already and is the youngest winner of Wimbledon in past 20+ years.

Both have won Queens and both have consistency.

How would the match go between these two of both are fit. That is Murray from any year between 2009 to 2016 but preferably 2012/13 and Alcaraz preferably 2023.

 

[RS]

8-2 Murray.

 

[nolefam_2024]

8-2 Murray.

What are both players strength and weakness vs each other?

 

[3loudboys]

Murray in 4 in front of the home crowd. His flatter strokes doing some damage on the grass.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Murray did lose to Nadal 3 times back to back once.

 

[Sport]

Too soon to know. Alcaraz may win 5+ Wimbledon titles, reinforcing the hyporhesis that his 2023 level was not a fluke but rather the sign of greatness.

 

[ibbi]

Comparing a guy who has played his whole career and has two decades of results at a tournament to a 20 year old kid who's played it three times is an unfair comparison to make, but I'm still going with Alcaraz as he has infinitely more eye of the tiger.

 

[RS]

What are both players strength and weakness vs each other?

Alcaraz had a better 2nd serve and a more powerful FH and better at taking it earlier. I guess everything else is either equal or Murray.

Alcaraz could get there but it's to early. As you said Murray had like 7 seasons as a top player on grass were Alcaraz had one so far.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Comparing a guy who has played his whole career and has two decades of results at a tournament to a 20 year old kid who's played it three times is an unfair comparison to make, but I'm still going with Alcaraz as he has infinitely more eye of the tiger.

Sure it's unfair. But both just went perfect winning queens and Wimbledon back to back.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Alcaraz had a better 2nd serve and a more powerful FH and better at taking it earlier. I guess everything else is either equal or Murray.

Alcaraz could get there but it's to early. As you said Murray had like 7 seasons as a top player on grass were Alcaraz had one so far.

Is alcaraz backhand able to handle the pressure? I remember before wimbledon, the entire talk was about Alcaraz fh not able to react when time is taken away. The fh worked beautifully in the whole grass season.

While alcaraz backhand recently has just gone errant.

 

[SonnyT]

Alcaraz 7-3

 

[Legend of Borg]

I feel like there isn't enough of a sample size from Alcaraz's career to make an accurate comparison, yet. Ask this question in a few years and the picture will be much more clear.

That being said I feel like there's some nostalgia in the posts from some people here.

We all know how good Murray was at slams, especially Wimbledon but I think Alacaraz is a player of a different caliber imo.

He already has more than half of Murray's total slam count at the age of 20 and he's racking up Masters titles at a decent rate.

I think it's safe to say that barring a freak injury he's going to eclipse Murray's career in the next 10 to 15 years. Hot take, I know.

 

[FeroBango]

Sinnr.

 

[dking68]

@nolefam_2024 Sinner 2024 vs Murray 2010 at Wimbledon who wins?

 

[Sport]

Sinnr.

0-2 vs. Novak, disqualified.

 

[dking68]

10-0 Alcaraz.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@nolefam_2024 Sinner 2024 vs Murray 2010 at Wimbledon who wins?

Did sinner play Wimbledon 2024 already?

 

[dking68]

Did sinner play Wimbledon 2024 already?

Okay. Sinner 2022 vs Murray 2008. Wimbledon grass

 

[RS]

10-0 Alcaraz.

No way

 

[nolefam_2024]

Okay. Sinner 2022 vs Murray 2008. Wimbledon grass

Probably in the sinner thread we can discuss this.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I feel like there isn't enough of a sample size from Alcaraz's career to make an accurate comparison, yet. Ask this question in a few years and the picture will be much more clear.

That being said I feel like there's some nostalgia in the posts from some people here.

We all know how good Murray was at slams, especially Wimbledon but I think Alacaraz is a player of a different caliber imo.

He already has more than half of Murray's total slam count at the age of 20 and he's racking up Masters titles at a decent rate.

I think it's safe to say that barring a freak injury he's going to eclipse Murray's career in the next 10 to 15 years. Hot take, I know.

Wimbledon is Murray's most successful slam by most metrics though. And he has won queens a record number of times. So alcaraz will definitely dwarf Murray's career but Murray also has some cache on grass..

 

[dking68]

Wimbledon is Murray's most successful slam by most metrics though. And he has won queens a record number of times. So alcaraz will definitely dwarf Murray's career but Murray also has some cache on grass..

Don’t forget Sinner can outserve Alcaraz if he really continues to improve that shot. But no doubt both will win multiple Wimbledon titles.

 

[Pheasant]

Right now, Murray> Carlitos on grass courts. However, Alcaraz is tracking to eclipse Murray. I’d be surprised if Alcaraz doesn’t pass Murray, despite how awesome Murray was.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Right now, Murray> Carlitos on grass courts. However, Alcaraz is tracking to eclipse Murray. I’d be surprised if Alcaraz doesn’t pass Murray, despite how awesome Murray was.

I am very interested in how these two would have faced off at their respective best years.

Would Murray forehand be able to hit through alcaraz or would Raz backhand be able to hold off Murray's constant rallying. Murray could definitely use the variety as well to bring Raz in but that might be a mistake. Alcaraz is natural at the net.

Then there is 0-3 for Murray vs Rafa here.

 

[jackson vile]

Alcaraz

 

[Pheasant]

I am very interested in how these two would have faced off at their respective best years.

Would Murray forehand be able to hit through alcaraz or would Raz backhand be able to hold off Murray's constant rallying. Murray could definitely use the variety as well to bring Raz in but that might be a mistake. Alcaraz is natural at the net.

Then there is 0-3 for Murray vs Rafa here.

At their best, I'd take Murray 12-8 in a 20 match series. Murray's return game on grass was deadly and that'd be the difference. Alcaraz is a stone-cold killer under pressure and would steal a few matches that he shouldn't have won. But Murray's game was too good.

However, I expect, Alcaraz's serve to improve markedly. And I expect his game to become much more polished, which is a very scary thought.

 

[junior74]

Alcaraz has only played Wimbledon three times and has one title. Murray had 4R as best result after three attempts.

 

[RS]

At their best, I'd take Murray 12-8 in a 20 match series. Murray's return game on grass was deadly and that'd be the difference. Alcaraz is a stone-cold killer under pressure and would steal a few matches that he shouldn't have won. But Murray's game was too good.

However, I expect, Alcaraz's serve to improve markedly. And I expect his game to become much more polished, which is a very scary thought.

At the current moment I wouldn't have it any closer than 13-7 myself. But this is based on form and Murray's many forms but on some H2H tour they play that many times Alcaraz might peak quicker in hypothetical land.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Watching both of their titles, I feel very intrigued about a match with both at their best and I do favor Raz even though just a little bit.
He destroyed Medvedev 3,3,3. Its one of his impressive wins in the slam.

 

[big ted]

alcarez is wayyy mentally tougher than murray.

 

[The Guru]

I think Murray wins BH to BH by more than Alcaraz wins FH to FH. I also like Murray's serve return complex more and probably take him in all the variety stuff too. This is still fairly close but we have Murray's entire career to think about Murray's grass peak and only one top level run from Alcaraz.

 

[RS]

I think Murray wins BH to BH by more than Alcaraz wins FH to FH. I also like Murray's serve return complex more and probably take him in all the variety stuff too. This is still fairly close but we have Murray's entire career to think about Murray's grass peak and only one top level run from Alcaraz.

Seems that you think this is closer than Murray vs Roddick and Murray vs Hewitt on a absolute level.

Maybe I got that wrong though. I think you are bigger on Hewitt than Rod.