AO 2019 - R4 : (3) "Zeus" Federer vs Tsitsipas "Apollo"

Who wins ?

  • Fed in 3

    Votes: 32 30.8%

  • Fed in 4

    Votes: 30 28.8%

  • Fed in 5

    Votes: 8 7.7%

  • Tsitsi in 3

    Votes: 4 3.8%

  • Tsitsi in 4

    Votes: 18 17.3%

  • Tsitsi in 5

    Votes: 12 11.5%
  • Total voters
    104
racquetreligion

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
minorchords164 said:
Don't think it's the surface though. The change of balls this year have not helped him. They're fluffing up more by the end of the cycle. Returning more to the balls pre-2017. I wouldn't complain normally except many of the players this year have also thought the same and I haven't heard anyone say they like it. And Wilson did only supply the balls since 2008. So not like Slazenger at Wimbledon.

Damn you Dunlop.
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Just look at the tie breaks in this Slam, its like never before seen in quantity and their lengths are just what they planned
to make sure matches are very competitive, lots of close scores and chances to get back in the set.

Here in Japan the courts are syngrass and play like clay thanks to the Dunlop Forte, they fluff up and rallies can go on forever
they are a disgraceful ball and a joke to be now taking over the final stages of the homogenization of tennis by the ATP.

I like many are really sick of their monopoly but Stefano will eventually win Slams by coming forward as he does when
Nole leaves the sport in 5-6 years. Compared to Fed and Tities tonight Shapo was hitting a much heavier ball from both wings
sometimes with incredible depth and pace but Nole just hacked it back and waited for the error or finished the point as Shapo
was left perplexed.

I mentioned in an earlier piece all events should use one chosen calibrated ball machine and biometric camera equipment to
measure the speed, bounce, distance, spin and longevity of balls regardless of the brand to make sure they meet standards
to maximize the rewards for aggressive play rather than hackery and baseline dread.

Then all ball brands will work to make sure they bump up their quality rather than just win contracts through marketing and monopolies from cronyism that exists thanks to the ATP and LTA.
 
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icedevil0289

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic2011 said:
Haha, I didn't mean for it to come across that way. ;) I feel bad for the decent fans like yourself but come on, this is Federer we're talking about here. We all know he'll bounce back from this and be winning tournaments again in no time at all. :)
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I doubt it. Everything seems to be getting worse and pretty sure He is retiring this year which hurts even more
 
mike danny

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Noletheking said:
, member: 427497"]Basically he needs Fedr in terminal decline to get to 2 slams near Fed.
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Don't let hatred blind you. Rafa spanked Fed when he was in diaper lol. lol at Terminal decline.[/QUOTE]
No, he didn't.

And yes it is terminal decline currently. Before this year, Rafa could never get within a 2 slam distance from Fed.
 
Noletheking

Noletheking

Hall of Fame
mike danny said:
Don't let hatred blind you. Rafa spanked Fed when he was in diaper lol. lol at Terminal decline.
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No, he didn't.

And yes it is terminal decline currently. Before this year, Rafa could never get within a 2 slam distance from Fed.[/QUOTE]

Bo he Didn't. if not for Fed improving in mid 30s. Fed h2h would look even more pathetic. it was 8-2 outdoor hc , 3-0 ao open before Fed came up with neo b.h so dont come up with terminal excuse.
 
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minorchords164

Rookie
racquetreligion said:
Just look at the tie breaks in this Slam, its like never before seen in quantity and their lengths are just what they planned
to make sure matches are very competitive, lots of close scores and chances to get back in the set.

Here in Japan the courts are syngrass and play like clay thanks to the Dunlop Forte, they fluff up and rallies can go on forever
they are a disgraceful ball and a joke to be now taking over the final stages of the homogenization of tennis by the ATP.

I like many are really sick of their monopoly but Stefano will eventually win Slams by coming forward as he does when
Nole leaves the sport in 5-6 years. Compared to Fed and Tities tonight Shapo was hitting a much heavier ball from both wings
sometimes with incredible depth and pace but Nole just hacked it back and waited for the error or finished the point as Shapo
was left perplexed.

I mentioned in an earlier piece all events should use one chosen calibrated ball machine and biometric camera equipment to
measure the speed, bounce, distance, spin and longevity of balls regardless of the brand to make sure they meet standards
to maximize the rewards for aggressive play rather than hackery and baseline dread.

Then all ball brands will work to make sure they bump up their quality rather than just win contracts through marketing and monopolies from cronyism that exists thanks to the ATP and LTA.
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I'm actually a bit mixed on this. Basically because while the Wilson AO ball 2017/18 didn't fluff up, I and basically every club player in Australia hated the feel. I didn't hate it that much but I just didn't really care for it. Not for an official Grand Slam ball. *Cough* the number of times it was on sale and the reduction of the msrp helps confirm this.

I also don't think Shapovalov hits a heavy ball much. It has height and topspin, but no heaviness. It's not from lack of pace either. So I agree with you there. But the depth was only about half the time there. The other half it was shorter or he missed.

Nowhere near like Stan when he's on his game. Watching how Novak himself handled his shots on contact confirms this. With his slightly lighter racquet these days.
 
Noletheking

Noletheking

Hall of Fame
mike danny said:
Bo he Didn't. if not for Fed improving in mid 30s. Fed h2h would look even more pathetic. it was 8-2 outdoor hc , 3-0 ao open before Fed came up with neo b.h so dont come up with terminal excuse.
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It is terminal now. 2017 was a long time ago.[/QUOTE]

Lmao this only prove Nadal never cared about Fed or needed weak ass players to win anything neither did Djojovic. stay Salty bro.
 
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Vamos Rafa Nadal

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I have been predicting a Nadal-Zverev final since before the tournament started. Still can happen!
 
mike danny

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Noletheking said:
Lmao this only prove Nadal never cared about Fed or needed weak ass players to win anything neither did Djojovic. stay Salty bro.
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If Nadal met Fed more often in late 2014 and 2015, the H2H would be different now. Nadal took advantage of a horrible Fed in 2013-early 2014 to pad his H2H stats ;)
 
V

Vamos Rafa Nadal

Guest
I didn't realize that Federer went zero for twelve on break point conversions! That's incredible. Shows great defense for Tsitsipas!
 
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minorchords164

Rookie
BeatlesFan said:
Rafa is five years younger than Fed. When he’s 37, let’s see what his movement will be like. ;)
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Haha, thanks for the perspective. :laughing:

He'll probably still quicker than Roger tho. If he doesn't get some kind of serious leg injury like Andy and can still run.

Edit: probably still be*
 
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BeatlesFan

BeatlesFan

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NBP said:
Whose that guy in Federer News that said he’d watched him train in Dubai all winter? Well he better bring his ass here and tell us what the hell Fed was doing back there :-D
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Same guy that claimed he watched Nadal train at his Academy and get carried off on a stretcher (lie #10,000) from Justasport.
 
jon70

jon70

Semi-Pro
Badabing888 said:
I never felt his forehand found its range tonight especially on the big points.
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It's like he was coming up on it too much, a lot of his balls landing around the service line for Stefanos to punish.

Speaking of lines, it annoys me when the umpire calls a challenge on the center line as a right or left. There's only one center line.

Anyway, I hope the Greek can keep it up. He can take Novak, but I fear what Nadal will do to that backhand. When's the last time Nadal lost to a player with a 1HBH who wasn't Roger?
 
BeatlesFan

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
abmk said:
eff off fed ...

take a ****ing break and fix that FH instead of lousy sh*t like this.
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He just had a 5 week training block in Dubai which constituted a lengthy break from the game.

The last time we saw a glimpse of his real FH was in Stuttgart. The last time we saw him play fearless tennis with both great BH/FH was in Shanghai, 2017. He’s 37 years old... nothing more to say. The hands of time stop for no one.
 
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