Not this Wimbledon
Swiatek defended match points while being on serve, and played those points on her terms by dominaiting and sending winner/forcing UE so I don't know how can you call that lucky. Luck is when you defend match/set points while returning elite server who decides to miss 1st serve by an inch and then commit a tennis suicide like certain Swiss player for example.
And win on the upcoming new surface, gravel. And do it all in the same calendar year. And only if it's in a year that I deem not a weak era. And I know the exact definition of goat. And I'm the only one who does.
The “stabbed” here…
I swear people don't even watch tennis, just come here to troll lol.
I'm talking about the people dismissing her on "grass" obviously
Maybe but what's your point?
Her behavior does need improvement, but this is what happens when you start to become accustomed to winning very easily. Funny enough, I think she would have had a great coach in Hingis who never won easily
9 times.
I agree that Iga does do gamesmanship--it's gross. You think of the mentality of someone that is like that--she is a prisoner in her own mind. I saw exactly that when she lost yesterday and was losing.
lol she's probably going to burn out mentally way before even that. She reminds me of girls in high school who were headed to Valedictorian, lost their minds when they were runner up; got into a great university and then lost their minds when surrounded by tons of other people just as smart or smarter than them. She feels like that to me.
Nadal 1000000% has OCD, half the behaviors no one would ever do if they weren't getting told to by the little demon in their head.
And win 8 slams by age 19.
Expressions and body language are 80% of communication and convey pretty accurately what goes on in people's minds. Also you have no idea what the people responding to this thread do for a living. Lastly, it doesn't take a genius with a master in psychology to figure out Iga was imploding and have some issues.
This comparison makes zero sense. She is at the top (#1) of the highest level of tennis (WTA pro). It literally can't get any better than this
Seles won 1 wimbledon i think
Maybe it doesn't make sense to you--I stand by the fact that it is a valid parallel. Anyway, regardless, we have differing opinions about what her future may look like. I agree that she is number #1 and APPEARS to be very easily successful. IMO, it comes at a great mental and emotional cost and if I were a betting person, I don't think she can keep this up. I almost would predict a Mugaruza like breakdown or a need to step away from tennis for an extended period of time to get a handle on it. So it's fine that we have differing opinions...if my prediction bears out, lol, remember this post. I'll remember yours if it does not
Its not a matter of "dismissing" Swiatek as much as its a case of certain people with agendas constantly talking her up as if she's on a guaranteed road to be a GOAT player, when her game and results so far give absolutelty no indication of a GOAT player. She's far from invincible, as seen at two 2023 majors events.
Tennis is one sport, hence the accepted recognition of the GOAT achievement of winning the Grand Slam. Graf was the last woman to win it and earn that spot--Laver the last man, and as much as it angers some tennis "fans" that their latter day favorites did not have the GOAT ability to win it, its a fact that will need to be accepted, along with the realization that said favorites will never be GOAT players, and certainly not with the kind of meaningless stats some love to refer to outside of the true important achievements.
And why does everyone have to be a goat or an ordinary player. Iga is on her way to becoming an atg and is pushing the tour to get better and consistent and it’s fine
Honestly a lot of players could do with Hingis as a coach. If any of the current top players had some of that IQ they’d be winning everything
What do you mean "appears" successful? Regardless of what her future holds, she has already been incredibly successful, by any reasonable definition of the word.Maybe it doesn't make sense to you--I stand by the fact that it is a valid parallel. Anyway, regardless, we have differing opinions about what her future may look like. I agree that she is number #1 and APPEARS to be very easily successful. IMO, it comes at a great mental and emotional cost and if I were a betting person, I don't think she can keep this up. I almost would predict a Mugaruza like breakdown or a need to step away from tennis for an extended period of time to get a handle on it. So it's fine that we have differing opinions...if my prediction bears out, lol, remember this post. I'll remember yours if it does not
The part that doesn't make sense is the implied easiness of how she's had it so far. Where does the huge increase in difficulty come from?
Listen, I'm not trying to fight with you for each of us having our opinions. You seem determined to misunderstand me though. I said "appears to be successful VERY EASILY" meaning success seems to COME TO HER EASILY and I'm saying it does not--it comes at a huge mental and emotional cost. Perhaps I shouldn't give another analogy but similar to where people say this or that player won't be able to keep up their high level of play because their body will break down due to their playing style (ie has been said regarding Nadal and Alcaraz), I am saying her mental/emotional state I don't think will be able to keep up and will break down. I've always been talking about what her future will be like---um, it's totally obvious that her talent & capability and "success" on paper in terms of achievements is not in question. Nor is Muguruza--both have considerable achievements--who ever debated that? Mugu is in midst of mental/emotional stuff that is affecting her tennis and I predict from what I've seen of Iga that the same thing will happen to her. When the competition is tighter, closer to Iga, she implodes--just like she did against Svitolina the other day--the same thing that happened to this several people who were way ahead of the competition in high school academically because they were head and shoulders above their peers in a small pond but at a top university the competition was tighter and they mentally broke down. When competition is tighter for Iga, she mentally breaks down. It hasn't been for a while but she is vulnerable as it shows the other day--(I think people are just catching up to her). Anyway, it's true anecdotal story of which I know several and see it happening in tennis or even other fields non-related as well.
Yeah, I am not so sure. Swiatek is a very good frontrunner and she looks impressive swatting away overmatched opponents. But she has always struggled against players who can match her power and intensity. I don't think this is mental or emotional in nature, it's just the limitations in her game
You mean like during last year US Open final when the match was slipping away, yet she saved two break points at 4:4 in the second, then after failing to convert a match point, and being down 4:5 in the tiebreak she actually won?Listen, I'm not trying to fight with you for each of us having our opinions. You seem determined to misunderstand me though. I said "appears to be successful VERY EASILY" meaning success seems to COME TO HER EASILY and I'm saying it does not--it comes at a huge mental and emotional cost. Perhaps I shouldn't give another analogy but similar to where people say this or that player won't be able to keep up their high level of play because their body will break down due to their playing style (ie has been said regarding Nadal and Alcaraz), I am saying her mental/emotional state I don't think will be able to keep up and will break down. I've always been talking about what her future will be like---um, it's totally obvious that her talent & capability and "success" on paper in terms of achievements is not in question. Nor is Muguruza--both have considerable achievements--who ever debated that? Mugu is in midst of mental/emotional stuff that is affecting her tennis and I predict from what I've seen of Iga that the same thing will happen to her. When the competition is tighter, closer to Iga, she implodes--just like she did against Svitolina the other day--the same thing that happened to this several people who were way ahead of the competition in high school academically because they were head and shoulders above their peers in a small pond but at a top university the competition was tighter and they mentally broke down. When competition is tighter for Iga, she mentally breaks down. It hasn't been for a while but she is vulnerable as it shows the other day--(I think people are just catching up to her). Anyway, it's true anecdotal story of which I know several and see it happening in tennis or even other fields non-related as well.
I've liked a bunch of your posts in the past but not going to keep going back and forth about this...so if your can't comprehend even this more detailed response, I'm not going to give it any more attention. Agree to disagree.
LOL. Iga is 21 right? She'll win Wimbledon atleast once barring injuries. Shes been improving on grass each year. I expect a semi at the very least next year
