Best Argentine player of all time?

[Fedeonic]

After Del Potro's heroics in this 2016 Davis Cup, twice in London and Rio Olympics, and in 2009 US Open, is he the best Argie of all time?
Or Guillermo Vilas with his 4 Slams, one Masters and arguably the best player of 1977. Nalbandian with his 2005 YEC and 2 M1000s and great record against the GOAT Federer.

 

[VladimirJ]

Del Potro >>

If he hasn't so many injuries he would be in the big 4 instead of Mugray.

 

[NatF]

Vilas is far and away #1 here

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[Phoenix1983]

Obviously Vilas.

 

[DerekNoleFam1]

Vilas.

 

[Mainad]

Del Potro >>

If he hasn't so many injuries he would be in the big 4 instead of Mugray.

Oh really?

 

[Mainad]

Vilas is a winner of 62 titles including 4 Slams and a YEC. He is the highest ranked Argie player to date (officially #2). So no contest.

 

[ruerooo]

Guillermo Coria isn't even a choice in the poll?

Somebody miss the Monte Carlo 2005 final ...?

 

[ruerooo]

Oh really?

I don't think it's an "instead of" kind of thing, but DelPo was ranked #4 at one point, right after he beat Roger for his 2009 US Open championship.

 

[SanJoseState1975]

Guillermo Vilas !!!!!!!!!

 

[Fedex]

Del Potro >>

If he hasn't so many injuries he would be in the big 4 instead of Mugray.

Is that why he had a 1-6 losing H2H record versus Murray before his injury?

 

[Krish872007]

Still gotta be Vilas by a huge margin despite all of DelPo's heroics this year.

 

[Alien]

Sabatini?

 

[r2473]

Delbonis

 

[JRAJ1988]

Del Potro >>

If he hasn't so many injuries he would be in the big 4 instead of Mugray.

Still butthurt over Murray taking the number 1 spot? . Though he has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Nostradamus]

After Del Potro's heroics in this 2016 Davis Cup, twice in London and Rio Olympics, and in 2009 US Open, is he the best Argie of all time?
Or Guillermo Vilas with his 4 Slams, one Masters and arguably the best player of 1977. Nalbandian with his 2005 YEC and 2 M1000s and great record against the GOAT Federer.

this is laugherble..... of course Delpo is..... all that Vilas was ever good for was pushing the ball and chasing hot younger women

 

[tacou]

Guillermo vilas never played in HD so..

 

[nowhereman]

Clearly Vilas. Or do you mean "best" as in doing the most to represent Argentina, hence your inclusion of the DC and Olympics?

 

[TnsGuru]

Guillermo Vilas 4 GS vs 1 for Delpo. Davis Cup is nice but ultimately he needs to win 4 more GS's to be best from Argentina.

 

[mightyrick]

Sigh. So many people on here don't realize that tennis existed before the year 2005.

 

[6august]

Monaco. He's even on top of Nadal sometimes.

 

[Shaolin]

1. Guido Pella

2. Vilas

3. Delpo

4. Nalbandian

 

[Checkmate]

Del Potro who else.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Vilas by a huge margin

 

[Mainad]

I don't think it's an "instead of" kind of thing, but DelPo was ranked #4 at one point, right after he beat Roger for his 2009 US Open championship.

That's certainly true but not what the poster was implying of course!

 

[Druss]

Oh really?

I knew that comment would ruffle your feathers

 

[Zodd]

Sabatini?

Best looking - no doubt

 

[Chanwan]

Vilas without a doubt. Delpo with no injuries, then who knows. Delpo is the biggest 'what if' in tennis the past decade.

 

[NatF]

To be frank the Australian Opens's Vilas won were weak and shouldn't really count as majors. Even so Vilas should be considered well ahead of Del Potro.

 

[Chanwan]

To be frank the Australian Opens's Vilas won were weak and shouldn't really count as majors. Even so Vilas should be considered well ahead of Del Potro.

was just about to say the same, his two opponents in the final had a career high ranking as no. 44 and 19 respectively. But yeah, plenty of titles and streaks to make up for it. I do think Delpo would be no. 1 if not for injuries though.

 

[NatF]

was just about to say the same, his two opponents in the final had a career high ranking as no. 44 and 19 respectively. But yeah, plenty of titles and streaks to make up for it. I do think Delpo would be no. 1 if not for injuries though.

Yes I think Del Potro would have 2-3 slams right now if not for injuries. Consider what he did in 2009 at just 21 and imagine him being able to practice and improve on that.

Vilas still has an arguably #1 year in 1977, should have been #1 on the computer in 1975 (IIRC) and won vastly more titles etc...along with an extra major and the YEC. So it's not close in achievements regardless of how his 2 AO's are viewed. It does amuse me slightly how some are critical of history being ignored but don't asterisk those AO's

 

[Chanwan]

Yes I think Del Potro would have 2-3 slams right now if not for injuries. Consider what he did in 2009 at just 21 and imagine him being able to practice and improve on that.

Vilas still has an arguably #1 year in 1977, should have been #1 on the computer in 1975 (IIRC) and won vastly more titles etc...along with an extra major and the YEC. So it's not close in achievements regardless of how his 2 AO's are viewed. It does amuse me slightly how some are critical of history being ignored but don't asterisk those AO's

I think 2-3 is quite conservative tbh. He was 20, when he won the US. Most players get better after 20. Both Fed and McEnroe expected him to challenge for no. 1 in 2010 already.
Then again, getting to no. 1 and winning slams ain't easy, but a healty Delpo would be a contender for the vast majority of the past 28 slams.

 

[Vegito]

Del Potro was extremely tired in the matches against Murray in Miami and Montreal in 2009; just he had tough long matches the previous night and you could see how tired he was in those matches. I have no to mention about the Olympics.. In the US Open 2008 he was really tired too.. He has not been preciselly lucky against Murray in that aspect. I just mention it when I read they talk about the head to head not taking into account this.

Responding the question; Vilas is still the best.

 

[Mainad]

Del Potro was extremely tired in the matches against Murray in Miami and Montreal in 2009; just he had tough long matches the previous night and you could see how tired he was in those matches. I have no to mention about the Olympics.. In the US Open 2008 he was really tired too.. He has not been preciselly lucky against Murray in that aspect. I just mention it when I read they talk about the head to head not taking into account this.

So I assume he wasn't tired on the 3 occasions he beat him? Maybe it was Murray who was tired in those matches?

Responding the question; Vilas is still the best.

Agreed.

 

[SinjinCooper]

It'll be Del Potro before all's said and done, but for now it's Vilas by a country mile.

 

[Vegito]

So I assume he wasn't tired on the 3 occasions he beat him? Maybe it was Murray who was tired in those matches?



Agreed.

Really I try to be objective. I think In Madrid in 2009 both players were ok. They didnt look tired. In Indian Wells 2013; I would say Murray had doubts with his game; and just Del Potro was better. Murray said sometime he usually don´t feel comfortable in that tournament. Then in the Davis Cup match I saw a moment of fatigue in Murray in the fourth set. There Del Potro was lucky because he won quickly the fourth set; like to forgot the second and third sets; and it was a battle in the last set. I just say that having seen all their matches; both players at his best in equal conditions are really close in their level and the head to head it´s a little bit liar. If the head to head it´s a 6-3 for Murray; at minimum it deserved more to be like a 5-4 for Andy. In Montreal 2009 Del Potro was extremely tired since the beginning, even Federer talked about it previous to the US Open final that year. And we would deny that Del Potro was tired in the Olympic final, after that epic road to the final? But he fighted fantastically in the final; I doubt about what would have happened if Del Potro was less tired. Nishikori didn´t gave Murray a fight in the semifinal.. Well, that´s my opinion.

 

[Vegito]

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[Vegito]

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[mike danny]

Vilas without a doubt. 4 majors and should have been no.1. Delpo and Nalbandian don't even come close.

 

[Purplemonster]

Vilas by a mile, but had he possessed the mind numbing mental fortitude of his compatriot Coria he could have achieved even more.

 

[I Am Finnish]

@sosa09 of course

 

[pc1]

No doubt it's Vilas.

 

[Sysyphus]

why even bother comparing.. They're separated by 36 years and competed under drastically different conditions. Different sports. Can only be fairly judged against their peers.


who better astronomer, Ptolemy or Hubble?

 

[SinjinCooper]

why even bother comparing.. They're separated by 36 years and competed under drastically different conditions. Different sports. Can only be fairly judged against their peers.


who better astronomer, Ptolemy or Hubble?

Did one of them win four times as many astronomy majors as the other?

 

[Sysyphus]

Did one of them win four times as many astronomy majors as the other?

Charley Paddock won more individual olympic gold medals in the 100m than [insert any of the best contemporary 100m runners without a gold medal]. Was he a faster runner than them by extension?

 

[SinjinCooper]

Charley Paddock won more individual olympic gold medals in the 100m than [insert any of the best contemporary 100m runners without a gold medal]. Was he a faster runner than them by extension?

No. But you could safely say such a man was better at being an Olympic 100m racer than undecorated modern runners, since the standard for such a title is the ability to defeat the field you're faced with at Olympic 100m races.

If the question was to do with hardest hitting Argentine player of all time, the point would be valid.

 

[Sysyphus]

No. But you could safely say such a man was better at being an Olympic 100m racer than undecorated modern runners, since the standard for such a title is the ability to defeat the field you're faced with at Olympic 100m races.

If the question was to do with hardest hitting Argentine player of all time, the point would be valid.

This is a completely comical standard which no one with any context takes seriously. The reasons for which he won an individual olympic title and, say, someone like Asafa Powell hasn't are perfectly clear. No one would conclude from that that Paddock is the faster or better runner — given that he ran the distance more than half a second slower, his aptitude clearly wasn't the variable which accounts for the difference.

Similarly, the thread question isn't the utterly trivial question of who has more titles or slams or whatever. A google search would be enough to answer that, wouldn't need a thread. It asks who's the best player. The fact that Vilas won more titles several generations ago than what Delpo does today doesn't prove jack squat about whether he was a better tennis player. It's just a meaningless comparison.

 

[SinjinCooper]

The titular question is "better player." As soon as the idea of playing comes in, so does the idea of success in competition. Which makes it a slam dunk case in favor of Vilas.

If you skip the thread title and go directly to the poll title, and the question becomes simply: "best Argentine," then I'd suggest putting any tennis player up for the award is silly.

But for now, it's beyond argument that Vilas remains Argentina's greatest professional tennis player. Del Potro would laugh hysterically at those defending him in this, or even suggesting it could be a matter open for disagreement. It's a little closer than the Swiss version of the poll would be, but reasonable votes should still fall 100/0.

 

[boredone3456]

Unless DelPo somehow gets red hot next year and starts tearing it up for a couple of years this discussion clearly falls on the side of Vilas. Its really not even close right now. no disrespect to Delpo, I love the guy, and I have a lot of respect for Nalbandian as well..but this really isn't even a debate at this point.

 

[slal1984]

Delpo for sure, he has won the hearts of his people.!!